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Re: [Esug-list] Bug thanks to Loic and Anne

by N. Bouraqadi

10 timesRepeat: [self clap] > On 15 Apr 2020, at 22:36, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > +1 these special issues are important for the community. > > Clap clap clap > >> On 15 Apr 2020, at 16:26, Alexandre Bergel <abergel(a)dcc.uchile.cl <mailto:abergel@dcc.uchile.cl>> wrote: >> >> Dear ESUG member, >> >> I would like to publicly send a big clap to Loic Lagadec and Anne Etien for their remarkable work on getting a special issue for the IWST proceedings. This special issue, in the Science of Computer Programming journal, has a real and tangible impact on the future of our students and young professors. >> >> Loic, Anne, you are making the world a better place. >> >> Thank you >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > -------------------------------------------- > Stéphane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Julie Jonas > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

April 16, 2020

Re: [Esug-list] Bug thanks to Loic and Anne

by Stéphane Ducasse

+1 these special issues are important for the community. Clap clap clap > On 15 Apr 2020, at 16:26, Alexandre Bergel <abergel(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > Dear ESUG member, > > I would like to publicly send a big clap to Loic Lagadec and Anne Etien for their remarkable work on getting a special issue for the IWST proceedings. This special issue, in the Science of Computer Programming journal, has a real and tangible impact on the future of our students and young professors. > > Loic, Anne, you are making the world a better place. > > Thank you > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Julie Jonas FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

April 15, 2020

Re: [Esug-list] looking for input for a lecture on TDD and XtremeTDD

by Stéphane Ducasse

tx! > On 15 Apr 2020, at 09:44, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > > Hi Stef, > > I’ve done some workshops and screencasts. In the workshops (oops, already a few years ago) I used a morph that was moving on the screen to emphasize the liveness. The BabyMock2 work by Attila Magyar is also great for that. It also is good to show the difference between Chicago and London style TDD, and connect to BDD. In Smalltalk, that is more represented by the exploratory modeling I was introduced to by Rob Vens. > > https://www.reflektis.nl/blog/exploratory-modelling-explained/ <https://www.reflektis.nl/blog/exploratory-modelling-explained/> > > For a lecture TDD as if you meant is is a good starting point: > > https://cumulative-hypotheses.org/2011/08/30/tdd-as-if-you-meant-it/ <https://cumulative-hypotheses.org/2011/08/30/tdd-as-if-you-meant-it/> > > GToolkit of course provides some nice example-driven development, that combines well with literate programming > > In my latest screencasts I ran into the following issues: > - restarting a test does not make it green after going through it if it needed a fix > - can’t step into simple accessors (and other optimized code?) > - in addition to create, need to be able to create/change setUp/initialize/shutDown > - a refactoring ‘turn fake into class’ is missing where instVar := self and there are methods categorized as ‘faking instVar’ > > https://vimeo.com/329317634 <https://vimeo.com/329317634> > > https://vimeo.com/329368348 <https://vimeo.com/329368348> > > Stephan > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone > >> Op 14 apr. 2020 om 14:36 heeft Stéphane Ducasse <Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr> het volgende geschreven: >> >> Hello >> >> I would like to build a lecture around TDD and XtremeTDD (coding in the debugger). >> I’m looking around to see if someone already did such a lecture. >> >> S. >> -------------------------------------------- >> Stéphane Ducasse >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >> 03 59 35 87 52 >> Assistant: Julie Jonas >> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >> S. Ducasse - Inria >> 40, avenue Halley, >> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >> France >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Julie Jonas FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

April 15, 2020

Bug thanks to Loic and Anne

by Alexandre Bergel

Dear ESUG member, I would like to publicly send a big clap to Loic Lagadec and Anne Etien for their remarkable work on getting a special issue for the IWST proceedings. This special issue, in the Science of Computer Programming journal, has a real and tangible impact on the future of our students and young professors. Loic, Anne, you are making the world a better place. Thank you Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

April 15, 2020

Re: [Esug-list] looking for input for a lecture on TDD and XtremeTDD

by Stephan Eggermont

Hi Stef, I’ve done some workshops and screencasts. In the workshops (oops, already a few years ago) I used a morph that was moving on the screen to emphasize the liveness. The BabyMock2 work by Attila Magyar is also great for that. It also is good to show the difference between Chicago and London style TDD, and connect to BDD. In Smalltalk, that is more represented by the exploratory modeling I was introduced to by Rob Vens. https://www.reflektis.nl/blog/exploratory-modelling-explained/ For a lecture TDD as if you meant is is a good starting point: https://cumulative-hypotheses.org/2011/08/30/tdd-as-if-you-meant-it/ GToolkit of course provides some nice example-driven development, that combines well with literate programming In my latest screencasts I ran into the following issues: - restarting a test does not make it green after going through it if it needed a fix - can’t step into simple accessors (and other optimized code?) - in addition to create, need to be able to create/change setUp/initialize/shutDown - a refactoring ‘turn fake into class’ is missing where instVar := self and there are methods categorized as ‘faking instVar’ https://vimeo.com/329317634 https://vimeo.com/329368348 Stephan Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone > Op 14 apr. 2020 om 14:36 heeft Stéphane Ducasse <Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr> het volgende geschreven: > > Hello > > I would like to build a lecture around TDD and XtremeTDD (coding in the debugger). > I’m looking around to see if someone already did such a lecture. > > S. > -------------------------------------------- > Stéphane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Julie Jonas > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

April 15, 2020

looking for input for a lecture on TDD and XtremeTDD

by Stéphane Ducasse

Hello I would like to build a lecture around TDD and XtremeTDD (coding in the debugger). I’m looking around to see if someone already did such a lecture. S. -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Julie Jonas FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

April 14, 2020

Re: [Esug-list] [rmod] [Pharo-users] [ANN] SmalltalkHub Deprecation Notice

by Dale Henrichs

Guillermo and others, SS3 will eventually be deprecated (read only) as well ... we have not set a timeline nor made a final decision about SS3, but a move to SS3 is not necessarily a long term solution. Dale On 4/3/20 11:13 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote: > - a low-energy solution for this is to migrate these repositories to > squeaksource3. This should be mostly straight-forward.

April 3, 2020

Re: [Esug-list] [rmod] [Pharo-users] [ANN] SmalltalkHub Deprecation Notice

by Guillermo Polito

Hi Renaud, > El 3 abr 2020, a las 16:27, Renaud de Villemeur <renaud.devillemeur(a)tuta.io> escribió: > > Hi Guille. > > It's a good news to see the community is moving forward. > > What would be the impact on Pharo catalog ? The instruction still advise to upload information to smalltalkhub: http://catalog.pharo.org/catalog/note-for-developers?_s=bHk4XDBcH9mb0muM&_k… <http://catalog.pharo.org/catalog/note-for-developers?_s=bHk4XDBcH9mb0muM&_k…> > Will it be deprecated as well ? My *personal* take on this is is that we can migrate easily the catalog, without deprecating it: - the catalog repositories will stay alive as read-only, so it will be no problem to access old catalog entries (unless they depend on private projects, but that would be odd) - a low-energy solution for this is to migrate these repositories to squeaksource3. This should be mostly straight-forward. - a high-energy solution is to rethink the catalog. I know there have been some community efforts from Christophe Demarey for example, Esteban has also interesting ideas on how to attack this. Thoughts? > > Thanks > Renaud > > > > > Apr. 3, 2020, 05:55 by guillermopolito(a)gmail.com: > SmalltalkHub Deprecation Notice > SmalltalkHub is now getting old and it is time to deprecate it. We plan to replace it by a static file server during 2020. The public data will still be readable and consumable from monticello clients, but modifications will not be allowed in the near future. SmalltalkHub users should move their projects to git repositories or other monticello repository services. > What is changing? > If you currently host a project in SmalltalkHub, you should migrate your projects to another platform as soon as possible. If you depend on a project hosted on SmalltalkHub, you should contact the owner of that project to schedule a migration. > If you have documentation or tutorials using SmalltalkHub, we recommend to update those after a migration. > An archive of all public projects in SmalltalkHub will be made available in read-only mode. This archive will be readable through monticello clients for compatibility reasons. > Private projects, due to privacy reasons, will not be published in the public archive and will be removed to protect their owners. > Why are RMoD and Inria making this change? > SmalltalkHub has finished its cycle. The arrival of git integration in the past years caused the move of most users in the Pharo community to git hosting services. They now use exclusively other platforms. Furthermore, RMoD and Inria lack the manpower to properly maintain the SmalltalkHub service and keep it up to date. Smalltalkhub has no added value compared to other code source hosting platforms. > How much time do I have to adapt to this change? > > The SmalltalkHub deprecation will follow the next timetable: > Monday 04 of may 2020: SmalltalkHub will be read-only. Creation of new users and projects will be forbidden. New commits will be rejected. All existing users, projects (public and private) and their commits will remain available and visible, but their settings will become read-only. > Monday 02 of november 2020: SmalltalkHub will be migrated to a static file server archive. Private projects and their commits will not be available anymore. > > The RMoD team and Inria plan to keep the static file server alive for, at least, 5 years from the date of its creation. > What will happen if I do nothing? > Your public projects will become read-only and you will not be able to commit anymore. > Your private projects will become unavailable. > What alternatives do I have? > > Those wanting to keep using monticello can migrate their projects to other monticello hostings such as http://squeaksource.com <http://squeaksource.com/> or http://ss3.gemstone.com <http://ss3.gemstone.com/> > > Those wanting to migrate to git, Peter Uhnak’s git migration tool (https://github.com/peteruhnak/git-migration <https://github.com/peteruhnak/git-migration>) automates monticello to git migration in tonel format. > > Cheers, > Guille on behalf of the RMoD team >

April 3, 2020

Re: [Esug-list] [vwnc] Tree Table view

by Maarten Mostert

I developped the NextDataset of which some version is available in the public store; It is in use by some 45000 users worldwide (making it probably the most popular used smalltalk dataset in history). You can still see the example and find the running thing on the windows store <https://www.microsoft.com/nl-nl/p/stakepoint-projects/9nblggh5lnxq?rtc=1&ac…>. It has a real tree column has full dag and drop support as well custimizable dropdown canvasses (you can put a tabcontrol under a cells menu button). It will probably need some tweeking to get to work on the last VW version as extraction from my code was not 100% perfect. It is without any doubt however the best enhancement to the original dataset merging both the treeView and the dataset in what they were certainly designed for from their origins many decades ago before being abandonned due to their complexity. As I managed to find the original logic, it contains very little code (probably less then hundred lines) and 90% of the code in there is just to subclass things for maintenance. It would obviously be nice if these very few lines (about a year of work) would be a part of the real product, but then you would need to convince Arden and Susan for this …. 🤷‍♂️ Cheers, Maarten PS. As for the Aragon thing I would say forget it, it's a completely different design and imho maintenance would be very expensive. > On 3 Apr 2020, at 12:42, Steven Kelly <stevek(a)metacase.com> wrote: > > Take a look at the Aragon tree view, which can do tables too > Steve > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mark pirogovsky [mailto:mpirogovsky@aol.com] >> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 5:31 PM >> To: vwnc(a)cs.uiuc.edu >> Cc: ESUG Mailing list >> Subject: [vwnc] [Esug-list] Tree Table view >> >> Hello all. >> Hope everybody is staying healthy. >> >> UI question: >> >> In VW we have a tree view and a table( or dataset ) view. >> Does anybody know an easy way to have a tree view which can show more >> than one data fields like a table row? >> >> Thanks, >> -- >> Mark Pirogovsky >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

April 3, 2020

Re: [Esug-list] [vwnc] Tree Table view

by Steven Kelly

Take a look at the Aragon tree view, which can do tables too Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: mark pirogovsky [mailto:mpirogovsky@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 5:31 PM > To: vwnc(a)cs.uiuc.edu > Cc: ESUG Mailing list > Subject: [vwnc] [Esug-list] Tree Table view > > Hello all. > Hope everybody is staying healthy. > > UI question: > > In VW we have a tree view and a table( or dataset ) view. > Does anybody know an easy way to have a tree view which can show more > than one data fields like a table row? > > Thanks, > -- > Mark Pirogovsky > > >

April 3, 2020