September 2010 - Esug-list

ESUG 2010 Slides on Slideshare

by Marcus Denker

Hello, We have uploaded all slides that we got to slideshare. http://www.slideshare.net/esug/tag/esug2010 Later today I will put them on esug.org, too (slideshare needs Flash and other cruel things). If you can not find your presentation here: Please send it to me! Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Sept. 28, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] [Pharo-project] Smalltalks 2010 - Declared as Important Province Event

by Alexandre Bergel

Hernan, this is really cool. I hope Smalltalk will bootstrap soon in Chile. Cheers, Alexandre On 27 Sep 2010, at 20:46, Hernan Wilkinson wrote: > Hi, > we just wanted to share with you that Smalltalks 2010 (the 4th Argentinean Smalltalk conference) has been declare of "public interest" at the Entre Rios province (where the city of Concepcion del Uruguay is and where the conference is going to be held). > We are very happy and proud of such recognition to Smalltalk and our community!! > We hope to see you there! > > Hernan. > > PS: Attached is the statement... although, it is is Spanish :-) > > <Nota ACTIER Smalltalk declaración de Interés.pdf>_______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Sept. 28, 2010

Pictures from CosmoCaixa outing on Wednesday evening

by James Foster

For your amusement... http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2080315&id=1047914752&l=80cba84d59 James Foster

Sept. 27, 2010

[ANN] Glamour on Seaside - first version

by Tudor Girba

Hi, We are happy to announce the first version of Glamour on Seaside. This work was carried out by Andrei Vasile Chis and was sponsored by ESUG. The project offers a Seaside-based rendering of Glamour browsers. In other words, once you have a browser in Glamour, you can now simply display it on the web. You can obtain the code in two ways: - Nightly built image: http://hudson.moosetechnology.org/job/moose-with-glamour-seaside/lastSucces… - Metacello configuration loadable in Pharo 1.1 (not Core) Gofer new squeaksource: 'Glamour'; package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamourSeaside'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfGlamourSeaside) loadDefault. A couple of examples are available on the Moose server: http://online.moosetechnology.org/glamour/basicExamples (a number of example browsers) http://online.moosetechnology.org/moose/metaBrowser (a browser for the meta-model of Moose) Several developments are planned for the near future, so stay tuned for more news. We would highly appreciate any kind of feedback. Cheers, Andrei and Doru

Sept. 26, 2010

Position Vacancy: New Mexico Highlands University

by Stéphane Ducasse

Position Vacancy (Subject to funding and program approval) New Mexico Highlands University plans to offer both an undergraduate (BS) and graduate (MS) degree in Software-driven Systems Design. The undergraduate program is in place and State of New Mexico approval of the graduate program is in its final stages. Final approval during the legislative session in February 2011 is hoped for but is not guaranteed. If approval is forthcoming the position will be open as early as summer term (May 2011) and definitely by fall term (August 2011). If approval is not obtained (the legislature will be concentrating on economic issues this session), the dates will slip to May or August 2012. The position: Visiting Professor, School of Business Administration. Contract is renewable annually for up to five years. Compensation: $50,000 - $60,000, depending on qualifications, plus standard fringe benefits (health, retirement, dental). Additional compensation, from project work, is possible. Expected Start Date: May 20th, 2011 or August 15th, 2011. Qualifications: • Masters degree in Computer Science (software engineering specialization), MIS, Informatics or similar degree focused on software development and systems design. • Extensive knowledge of Squeak (ideally Pharo), its extensions (e.g. Seaside), and libraries (CMS, version control, morphic, etc.) plus several years experience using Squeak to develop commercial or research applications. • Demonstrated multi-disciplinary / cross-disciplinary commitment; e.g. multiple degrees, publications or teaching experience across disciplinary boundaries, multi-disciplinary honors teaching. • Demonstrated ability to use a hybrid approach to instruction and mentoring, combining the use of on-line and in-class resources and techniques. • The position does not required full-time residency in New Mexico, but will require at least 26 weeks of residency (in two to four week blocks), annually. Full-time residency is highly desirable, but not an absolute essential. Expectations: This position is unlike any other academic position, because of the unique nature of the program it supports. Faculty are expected to spend up to forty hours a week, while in residence, in the Studio working with students at all levels, and delivering academic content “on-demand” and in a highly modular and accelerated fashion. Faculty are expected to define (and seek grant funding for) research projects and involve students in both the conduct of the research and co-authoring of publications arising from the research. Faculty may take on project management responsibilities (receiving appropriate additional compensation) for commercial projects underway in the Studio. The program emphasizes the ability to think and to employ multiple perspectives (systems, object, design, agile, and computational thinking) and faculty are expected to help students develop this kind of thinking capability – far more challenging than simply preparing them to pass a final exam. Program: This program is unique: in focus, in structure, and in terms of the demands placed on faculty. The stated goal of the program is to graduate students as full-participating members of a professional community dedicated to and capable of using computing and software technology to analyze and solve the ‘wicked’ problems confronting business enterprises, communities, and global societies. Graduates will be “modern polymaths” masters not of all extant knowledge but who have learned and integrated knowledge from multiple disciplines and domains. The program is experience-based. All students will spend significant amounts of time (up to thirty-two hours a week) in a Studio – simultaneously working on real-world projects for paying customers and learning new subject matter. Students will work side-by-side- with professionals (acting as project managers and guarantors of successful delivery) who will provide tacit knowledge and mentoring. [Faculty members are eligible, and encouraged, to assume this kind of professional role – for additional compensation.] The University works with one or more private sector entities, the latter responsible for contracting and managing projects, generating sufficient revenues to pay for professionals, student apprenticeship wages, and program expenses (e.g. travel to conferences). The program is competency-based (approximately 100 currently defined) and not course-based. All competencies are defined at seven different levels (from “understands concepts as evidenced by objective test” to “makes an original contribution to the community”) and student progress (and graduation) is based on number of competencies demonstrated at level. Curricular subject matter is presented in highly modular form (think in term of one-credit, 16 face-time hours) and utilizes a combination of on-line and self-paced study, broadcast (e.g. webinar format), and in-class workshops. Students define iterative and incremental “individual education plans” every eight weeks and those plans, collectively, defined the curricular material to be delivered. Knowledge integration and motivation for learning is provided by the project and studio context in which all instruction is delivered. The Studio is a “one-room classroom” – all students, faculty, and professionals occupy the same room at the same time (much like the ideal Agile work room or the botegga where Leonardo was an apprentice and later a Master). Multiple projects are underway, with different groups working on different projects. The rhythm of the Studio is defined with iterative cycles, each beginning with a planning session and ending with a retrospective. Within the cycles are defined, repetitive, periods for special activities like reader and writer workshops, social activities, and learning “spikes.” We would like to provide the students with a comprehensive development tool and environment – Smalltalk/Squeak – as a foundation for all of their technical software development learning and activities. The use of a uniform environment will make it easier to focus on the thinking behind the technology and the analysis of problems and design of solutions. When marketplace and technical demands indicate, students will learn prevailing technologies (ranging from HTML to Java – to relational database) and new technologies (e.g. non-relational and document databases) as alternatives to the Smalltalk base. Students will leave with the same level of expertise and understanding of current mainstream tools and technologies as graduates of any other CS / MIS program; but they will also have the underlying foundation made possible with the common tool and environment. If this kind of radically different program and alternative academic appointment is of interest, please contact: (Vita is OK, but would prefer a simple letter explaining why this is of interest to you and a description of your qualifications.) Dr. David West dmwest(a)nmhu.edu profwest(a)fastmail.fm 1-505-231-7233 School of Business Administration, New Mexico Highlands University Las Vegas, New Mexico, 87701

Sept. 24, 2010

Smalltalks 2010 --- Registration and invitation

by Andres Valloud

======== INGLES The Fundación Argentina de Smalltalk (FAST) invites you to the 4th Smalltalk Conference of Argentina, to be held on November 11, 12 and 13, 2010 at the Concepción del Uruguay site of the Universidad Tecnológica Nacional. Everyone, including teachers, students, researchers, developers and entrepreneurs, are welcome as speakers or attendees. Registration is free and now open at http://www.fast.org.ar. The goal of the conference is to strengthen the Argentine and international Smalltalk community through the exchange of works, experiences and anecdotes connected with this technology or related matters. Renowned members of the international Smalltalk community will visit the conference. Moreover, this edition of the conference will have a Research Session with publications reviewed by an international committee, as well as an Industry Track for those preferring a more relaxed environment. We look forward to see your submissions. You can propose papers or talks know through our website, or by sending an email to info(a)fast.org.ar. See you there! ======== SPANISH La Fundación Argentina de Smalltalk (FAST) los invita a la 4ta Conferencia de Smalltalk de Argentina, a realizarse desde el 11 al 13 de Noviembre del 2010 en la sede de Concepción del Uruguay de la Universidad Tecnológica Nacional. Esperamos verlos a todos entre la audiencia o como oradores, ya sean profesores, estudiantes, investigadores, desarrolladores o empresarios. La registración es gratis y está disponible en http://www.fast.org.ar. El objetivo de la conferencia es afianzar los vínculos entre las comunidades Smalltalk de Argentina y del mundo, a través del intercambio de trabajos, experiencias y vivencias conectadas con esta tecnología. De hecho, este año nos visitarán personalidades de renombre de la comunidad internacional. Además, en esta edición de la conferencia tendremos un track de investigación formal con publicaciones y referato de un comité internacional. También tendremos un track de industria para aquellos que prefieran un ambiente más informal. Pueden enviarnos sus propuestas de charlas o papers mediante nuestra página web, o enviándonos un mail a info(a)fast.org.ar. Nos vemos en la conferencia!

Sept. 24, 2010

GSoC Project for Namespaces

by James Foster

Germán Leiva was accepted in Google Summer of Code 2010 and developed a Namespaces implementation for Pharo Smalltalk. A video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4I7fSVNX2A is based on his presentation at ESUG in Barcelona last week. You can get the code at http://www.squeaksource.com/Environments.html. James Foster

Sept. 23, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice

by Thomas Brey

14 timesRepeat:[YES]. Steve, unfortunately most VSE Users missed your question... This week, we raised your question again on the VSEW mailing list and so far, we got 14 positive replies from the following persons/companies which did not directly reply to your posting (their replies are appended below) : Derek Renouf, Martin H. Krough, Giorgio Ferraris, Chris Copleston, Kjell Harald Ulstad, Nicolas Bryant, Lorenzo Schiavina, Ed Baker, Manfred Möbus, Carl Gundel, Skogstad Nielsson, Rick Martin, Lorin McCaffrey, Alejandro F. Reimondo Regards, Tom -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org]Im Auftrag von Steven Kelly Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. September 2010 11:13 An: Henrik Høyer; The general-purpose Squeak developers list; ESUG Mailing list Betreff: Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice If you are continuing to use VSE, please reply to the list with at least a simple Yes. I have no interest in VSE, but Henrik has asked twice and got no replies (on this list), so lets at least help reduce a fellow Smalltalkers frustration. Cheers, Steve ****************** ORIGINAL REPLIES FROM THE VSEW MAILING LIST **************************************************** -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:VSWE-L@LISTSERV.DFN.DE]Im Auftrag von Derek Renouf Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. September 2010 10:30 An: VSWE-L(a)LISTSERV.DFN.DE Betreff: Re: Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice Andreas, We are very interested in continued use of VSE and developments including the Lesser VM. Whilst I am not on the ESUG mailing list I am certainly interested in the response from Cincom. -- Derek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:VSWE-L@LISTSERV.DFN.DE]Im Auftrag von Martin H Krogh Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. September 2010 10:24 An: VSWE-L(a)LISTSERV.DFN.DE Betreff: Re: Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice Sorry - I must have missed that one... Yeah, I'm happily using VSE :-) Med venlig hilsen / Best regards MARTIN HASTRUP KROGH Systemdeveloper CSC Scandihealth A/S --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:VSWE-L@LISTSERV.DFN.DE]Im Auftrag von giorgio ferraris Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. September 2010 11:17 An: VSWE-L(a)LISTSERV.DFN.DE Betreff: Re: Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice we are still using VSE for an old product new dev in VW ciao Giorgio ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:VSWE-L@LISTSERV.DFN.DE]Im Auftrag von Chris Copleston Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. September 2010 11:22 An: VSWE-L(a)LISTSERV.DFN.DE Betreff: Re: Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice We use VSE for our web authoring product: www.softidiom.com Regards, Chris Copleston www.softidiom.com www.4dsites.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:VSWE-L@LISTSERV.DFN.DE]Im Auftrag von Kjell Harald Ulstad Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. September 2010 11:53 An: VSWE-L(a)LISTSERV.DFN.DE Betreff: Re: Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice Hi! Yes, we are using VSE, but we dont follow the ESUG mailing list. Our product (Paga Klient) is critically important for us and our customers. www.multidata-bluegarden.com Regards /Kjell Kjell H. Ulstad Arkitekt. Systemeier Paga/R&D +47 908 33 417 www.bluegarden.no ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:VSWE-L@LISTSERV.DFN.DE]Im Auftrag von Nicolas Bryant Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. September 2010 12:04 An: VSWE-L(a)LISTSERV.DFN.DE Betreff: Re: Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice As everyone else seems to be chiming in: my VisualSmalltalk application is still very important to my company and will remain so for at least another year or two. We recently signed a 7-figure contract with the Australian army, and the VisualSmalltalk application is probably the single most important component for their purposes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:VSWE-L@LISTSERV.DFN.DE]Im Auftrag von Lorenzo Schiavina Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. September 2010 12:35 An: VSWE-L(a)LISTSERV.DFN.DE Betreff: Re: Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice All my applications are in VSE www.edor.it Lorenzo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:VSWE-L@LISTSERV.DFN.DE]Im Auftrag von Ed Baker Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. September 2010 13:32 An: VSWE-L(a)LISTSERV.DFN.DE Betreff: Re: Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice Yes, we are using VSE for our product. I am not on the ESUG mailing list. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:VSWE-L@LISTSERV.DFN.DE]Im Auftrag von Möbus. Manfred Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. September 2010 14:53 An: VSWE-L(a)LISTSERV.DFN.DE Betreff: Re: Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice Adding one further item: We are heavily using VSE, will probably do so for long (and none of us is in the esug mailing list). Manfred ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:VSWE-L@LISTSERV.DFN.DE]Im Auftrag von Carl Gundel Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. September 2010 15:44 An: VSWE-L(a)LISTSERV.DFN.DE Betreff: Re: Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice I use it all the time, nearly every day. -Carl Gundel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:VSWE-L@LISTSERV.DFN.DE]Im Auftrag von SkogstadNielsen Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. September 2010 16:05 An: VSWE-L(a)LISTSERV.DFN.DE Betreff: Re: Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice Here is another happy user Søren Skogstad Nielsen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:VSWE-L@LISTSERV.DFN.DE]Im Auftrag von Rick Martin Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. September 2010 16:19 An: VSWE-L(a)LISTSERV.DFN.DE Betreff: Re: Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice We (Data-Basics) market a very large VSE based application known as Sampro. VSE is vital to our business and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future. Rick Martin Data-Basics Inc. rmartin(a)databasics.com 216-663-5600 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:VSWE-L@LISTSERV.DFN.DE]Im Auftrag von Lorin McCaffrey Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. September 2010 19:29 An: VSWE-L(a)LISTSERV.DFN.DE Betreff: Re: Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice We (Policy Works, formerly known as Tec4 Systems) are still actively developing on VSE. No we dont monitor the ESUG mailing list. Lorin McCaffrey Director of Product Development Policy Works Commercial Management Systems Direct: 403.450.1101 Toll Free: 800.260.3676 x101 lorin.mccaffrey(a)policyworks.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:VSWE-L@LISTSERV.DFN.DE]Im Auftrag von Alejandro F. Reimondo Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. September 2010 21:11 An: VSWE-L(a)LISTSERV.DFN.DE Betreff: Re: Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice Hi!, I have been working in development and consulting in VSE from the time it was released... nothing has changed from that time ;-) "Yes, I´m using VSE" But from my first meeting with Frank Lesser, I desided to do not wait for charity of companies interested in other bussiness and/or other "future" for Smalltalk; I accept their points of view and actions, but don't think they will change to converge to my needs. It has been some years ago, from our first meeting and now we have a much better VM (version 3.0 & still capable to host VSE applications! ) and it also can host other OO runtimes at top speed AT SAME TIME (yes, we can run more than one smalltalk environment at same time now, and we will show our vm running vse+others soon). My personal experience with VSE let me use it in situations that are more speed demanding than expected by Cincom people; there was a response of an referent of Cincom to this thread (but I do not remember if it was here) saying that VW is used in real time apps... In last years my use of VSE has been in many domains, one of them was in analysis of video information (vision stuff running on stored video databases). For that kind of use of smalltalk I need to run 5 to 10 times faster than real time!!! It is not acceptable to take one hour to process one hour of video data :-) With VSE I implemented good solutions where most processing at medium & upper levels is realized in Smalltalk under windows platform (using com, native & callback based interfaces). With Lesser-software VM we have much faster processing and let me increase the power of my product to process 3 to 4 times the frames I processed with VSE. With no modification of source code. IMO the decade that has passed from discontinuation of VSE, do not invalidate the use of the product but there are things that we need to resolve : 1.- enhancement and maintenance of VM (not the same vm, we need a mantained vm of this decade) 2.- zero cost portability; a lot of frameworks are written in other smalltalk dialects and running with other OO runtimes -e.g. javascript-; we need to use that frameworks WITHOUT porting costs (it is crazy to write and mantain sources when we have been using objects for decades). 3.- diversity - we need to support diversity in semantics (more flexible&powerfull semantics management in coherence with the first steps made in VSE but enabling more features). The point 1 is the most dificult point because it requires real experience in the field, the "I want to be a vm maker" attitude do not help in this area. [*] thanks for reading! Ale. [*] There is recent evidence to consider e.g. Jitter implementation of Squeak... an open source implementation put in the tips of an active community; that has never evolved to be part of a high perfomance Squeak implementation.

Sept. 23, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] [Pharo-project] ESUG actions (was: Best Spreading Smalltalk Actions)

by Stéphane Ducasse

:) This is fun because one of the board member raised the question just before this remark. We are not sure that rebranding is good but so far I like your slogan. And we welcome any smalltalker. The goals of esug are simple (you can see that in the first talk of esug and also the one of serge about future actions) - create energy in the community (via the conf via new user groups) - support open-source development - support business in Smalltalk - push/help teacher teaching Smalltalk - bring open-source and business together (check my last talk at Barcelona - we need strong vendors and strong open-source) ESUG never took into account geographic perspective, we sent books all over the world in the past. And student volunteers came from everywhere :) Stef > > I think ESUG has been an outstanding success for Smalltalk globally and > therefore deserves to be called The Smalltalk Users Group. TSUG. Such a name > change will also give a better impression to Smalltalk and is not untrue. > > All the best, > Aik-Siong Koh > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Best-Spreading-Smalltalk-Actions-tp2542307p2551292.ht… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 23, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] ESUG 2010 Videos?

by Johan Fabry

Excellent, my thanks to all involved! On 22 Sep 2010, at 11:36, James Robertson wrote: > For the recorded video, you can thank the folks at Citilab (where the conference was held). They both streamed the video (which worked well from what I saw), and saved the raw recordings. I have the raw recordings (again, thanks to them) - and I'll be editing them for posting. The editing involves simple stuff, btw: > > -- trimming the beginning, where there's often minutes of "dead air" before a presenter was ready > -- adding title screens > -- saving the processed video into multiple formats for easy access, whether it's from a PC, a Mac, or a mobile device > > > On Sep 22, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Geert Claes wrote: > >> >> Thanks, thats great! Were all talks recorded on video? >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ESUG-2010-Videos-tp2550414p2550498.html >> Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Sept. 22, 2010