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Re: [Esug-list] ESUG Experience Day

by Stéphane Ducasse

On Jan 31, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Joachim Tuchel wrote: > HI Stef, Janko and list, > > I think thuis brings us back to the old discussion of the ESUG date. It is in the summer holidays, and that is somewhat a problem for a corprate public IMO. Another problem might be that it's often hard to get an allowance and budget to travel out of your home country. You often have to uzse the education budget for such trips. > > We've had great resonance on the VA Smalltalk Forum for users of VA Smalltalk. > But people mostly came from Germany (where it took place), Belgium, the Netherlands and Switzerland. So I see quite some interest in an industry oriented event. But IMO an indsutry oriented event needs to meet a few criteria: > > * It should be during normal working season, not in the summer or winter holidays > * It must take place in a country where many businesses use Smalltalk. There may be people from other countries, but few of them. If we want to meet people from several countries, we need a little road show that travels to two or three countries in Europe. > * It must take place on a weekday between tuesday and thursday. Only Geeks stay until like to travel home on friday evening or even stay until saturday morning. > * Speakers have to provide relevant (from the point of view of a Smalltalk legacy project) content. It doesn't necessarily have to be new / exciting content, but relevant to today's Smalltalk projects. In big corporations, these often need to catch up with technologies that were considered bleeding edge 10 years ago. But still they are relevant for these projects. This is not to say that newer topics should be kept out of an industry conference, but they should be introduced in a way that put them in perspective of such a project. I agree. > ESUG is a great, interesting and exciting conference, and I really would advice everybody to go there if they are interested in Smalltalk. But it does not meet many of the above-mentioned criteria. ESUG is something else. > > Smalltalk projects in the industry are legacy projects in most cases. Those that aren't are mostly unknown. It would be great if we could change that at such an event. > But, please, ESUG, don't take that as a criticism of the ESUG conference! It's a great place to be and meet people and learn what's hot in the Smalltalk world! I would miss it if it wasn't there any more! We don't. Now we do not have the manpower to organize two conferences. But it would be good to have such event. May be in november. BTW we have solutions for building tools for large legacy and we are building a company around that topic. So we would love to be in contact with people have legacy problems and not only in Smalltalk. We are learning so strange language right now :)> Stef > > > > Just my 2c > > Joachim > > > > "Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> hat am 29. Januar 2012 um 12:38 geschrieben: > > > We are trying each year. Remember at Barcelona. > > Now if people do not send business talks we cannot invent them. > > > > Stef > > > > On Jan 29, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Janko Mivšek wrote: > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > To attract more business oriented people back to Smalltalk, let we > > > organize one day of ESUG conference for business oriented content. For > > > start let we name it simply as an ESUG Experience day. So that its > > > intention is clear and attractive for those people. And let we do some > > > marketing in this direction too. > > > > > > And all in one day, those people cannot afford a whole week for a mostly > > > technical conference. > > > > > > I know from my experience that presentations of real Smalltalk systems > > > convinced me to Smalltalk back in 1995, when I visited my first ESUG in > > > Utrecht/NL. It was at the IBM building and much more business people > > > around. This gave me an impression of seriousness of Smalltalk. Also > > > content was half technical half experiences/business oriented. > > > > > > Also from talks with those people you actually get a feeling what tool > > > is considered professional and accepted for more business oriented > > > development, which is a stated goal of Pharo, for instance. Getting > > > those people together with Pharo development team can really help. > > > > > > For presenters is also a plus because they come in contact with > > > potential customers, even some long standing business partnership can > > > start at such an opportunity. > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > Best regards > > > Janko > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Janko Mivšek > > > Aida/Web > > > Smalltalk Web Application Server > > > http://www.aidaweb.si > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Esug-list mailing list > > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de > Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de > D-71640 Ludwigsburg > Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Jan. 31, 2012

Re: [Esug-list] ESUG Experience Day

by Joachim Tuchel

Jan. 31, 2012

**Important** Pharo Conference Call for Date Feedback

by Stéphane Ducasse

Hi guys We want to organize a Pharo Conference @ lille around business and companies in May/June 2012. Now we need you to understand what is the best to organize because we have some constraints (like not good access to rooms on saturday). Could you reply to the following questions: Are you planning to attend: Yes No Would you attend two days: Yes No Would you like to present something: Yes No Would you prefer to have (remove the one you do not like) - one friday and one saturday or - two days during the week would be not a problem. Would you like to have Handons: Yes No Business/Experience returns: Yes No What are the following dates that are ok for you? Frid 11- Satur 12 May 2012: Yes No Thur 10- Frid 11 May 2012: Yes No Mond 14- Tuesd 15 May 2012: Yes No Tuesd 15- Wedn 16 May 2012: Yes No Thur 24 - Frid 25 May 2012: Yes No Frid 25- Satur 26 May 2012: Yes No Stef

Jan. 30, 2012

Re: [Esug-list] FOSDEM2012 smalltalk devroom 5 feb, sprint 4 feb

by Georg Heeg

Marcus, There is an earlier train: Lille Flandres Sa, 04.02.12 ab 07:08 <http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/traininfo.exe/dn/494988/296936/94900/11754 6/80?ld=96242&seqnr=2&ident=os.020395242.1327856370&date=04.02.12&station_ev aId=8700030&station_type=dep&currentReferrer=tp&rt=1&> RE 19703 <http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/traininfo.exe/dn/494988/296936/94900/11754 6/80?ld=96242&seqnr=2&ident=os.020395242.1327856370&date=04.02.12&station_ev aId=8700030&station_type=dep&currentReferrer=tp&rt=1&> IC 19703 <http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/traininfo.exe/dn/494988/296936/94900/11754 6/80?ld=96242&seqnr=2&ident=os.020395242.1327856370&date=04.02.12&station_ev aId=8700030&station_type=dep&currentReferrer=tp&rt=1&> IC 729 Regional-Express Verkehrt als RE 19703 bis Mouscron, danach als IC 19703 bis Kortrijk, danach als IC 729 Gent St Pieters Sa, 04.02.12 an 08:14 <http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query2.exe/dn?ld=96242&seqnr=2&ident=os.02 0395242.1327856370&rt=1&rememberSortType=minDeparture&partSearch=C0-0&partSe archSec=0> Beschreibung: http://www.img-bahn.de/v/860/img/transfer_grau_16x16.gif Umsteigezeit 10 Min. <http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query2.exe/dn?ld=96242&seqnr=2&ident=os.02 0395242.1327856370&rt=1&rememberSortType=minDeparture&partSearch=C0-0&partSe archSec=0> Umsteigezeit anpassen Gent St Pieters Sa, 04.02.12 ab 08:24 <http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/traininfo.exe/dn/539421/208901/77114/14125 2/80?ld=96242&seqnr=2&ident=os.020395242.1327856370&date=04.02.12&station_ev aId=8800031&station_type=dep&currentReferrer=tp&rt=1&> IC 507 Intercity Bruxelles-Midi Sa, 04.02.12 an 08:55 Georg Georg Heeg eK, Dortmund und Köthen, HR Dortmund A 12812 Wallstraße 22, 06366 Köthen Tel. +49-3496-214328, Fax +49-3496-214712 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] Im Auftrag von Marcus Denker Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Januar 2012 17:17 An: Stephan Eggermont Cc: seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org; ESUG Mailing list; Moose-related development; squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org; Pharo Development Betreff: Re: [Esug-list] FOSDEM2012 smalltalk devroom 5 feb, sprint 4 feb > 09:30 Norbert Hartl, Take a small REST. Simple approaches for REST in > smalltalk > 10:00 Stephane Ducasse, Marcus Denker, The next steps for the Pharo > Vision > I checked for trains... the *first* train from Lille arrives 9:45 in Bruessels Midi Sundays. I don't feel like booking a Hotel in Bruessels, I have to admit. -- Marcus Denker -- <mailto:denker@acm.org> denker(a)acm.org <http://www.marcusdenker.de> http://www.marcusdenker.de _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Jan. 29, 2012

Re: [Esug-list] FOSDEM2012 smalltalk devroom 5 feb, sprint 4 feb

by Marcus Denker

> 09:30 Norbert Hartl, Take a small REST. Simple approaches for REST in smalltalk > 10:00 Stephane Ducasse, Marcus Denker, The next steps for the Pharo Vision > I checked for trains... the *first* train from Lille arrives 9:45 in Bruessels Midi Sundays. I don't feel like booking a Hotel in Bruessels, I have to admit. -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)acm.org http://www.marcusdenker.de

Jan. 29, 2012

Re: [Esug-list] ESUG Experience Day

by Georg Heeg

Stéphane and Janko, I think this is an excellent opportunity of a collaboration between ESUG and STIC. This year we (STIC) have started to provide a special track for Academic named Smalltalk Direction. Two days ago the deadline has passed and from what I know we will start with a small academic program. Georg Heeg STIC - Smalltalk Industry Council Executive Director Phone +49-3496-214328, Fax +49-3496-214712 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Ducasse Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Januar 2012 12:38 An: Janko Mivšek Cc: ESUG Mailing list Betreff: Re: [Esug-list] ESUG Experience Day We are trying each year. Remember at Barcelona. Now if people do not send business talks we cannot invent them. Stef On Jan 29, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Janko Mivšek wrote: > Hi guys, > > To attract more business oriented people back to Smalltalk, let we > organize one day of ESUG conference for business oriented content. For > start let we name it simply as an ESUG Experience day. So that its > intention is clear and attractive for those people. And let we do some > marketing in this direction too. > > And all in one day, those people cannot afford a whole week for a > mostly technical conference. > > I know from my experience that presentations of real Smalltalk systems > convinced me to Smalltalk back in 1995, when I visited my first ESUG > in Utrecht/NL. It was at the IBM building and much more business > people around. This gave me an impression of seriousness of Smalltalk. > Also content was half technical half experiences/business oriented. > > Also from talks with those people you actually get a feeling what tool > is considered professional and accepted for more business oriented > development, which is a stated goal of Pharo, for instance. Getting > those people together with Pharo development team can really help. > > For presenters is also a plus because they come in contact with > potential customers, even some long standing business partnership can > start at such an opportunity. > > What do you think? > > Best regards > Janko > > > -- > Janko Mivšek > Aida/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Jan. 29, 2012

Re: [Esug-list] ESUG Experience Day

by Stéphane Ducasse

We are trying each year. Remember at Barcelona. Now if people do not send business talks we cannot invent them. Stef On Jan 29, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Janko Mivšek wrote: > Hi guys, > > To attract more business oriented people back to Smalltalk, let we > organize one day of ESUG conference for business oriented content. For > start let we name it simply as an ESUG Experience day. So that its > intention is clear and attractive for those people. And let we do some > marketing in this direction too. > > And all in one day, those people cannot afford a whole week for a mostly > technical conference. > > I know from my experience that presentations of real Smalltalk systems > convinced me to Smalltalk back in 1995, when I visited my first ESUG in > Utrecht/NL. It was at the IBM building and much more business people > around. This gave me an impression of seriousness of Smalltalk. Also > content was half technical half experiences/business oriented. > > Also from talks with those people you actually get a feeling what tool > is considered professional and accepted for more business oriented > development, which is a stated goal of Pharo, for instance. Getting > those people together with Pharo development team can really help. > > For presenters is also a plus because they come in contact with > potential customers, even some long standing business partnership can > start at such an opportunity. > > What do you think? > > Best regards > Janko > > > -- > Janko Mivšek > Aida/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Jan. 29, 2012

ESUG Experience Day

by Janko Mivšek

Hi guys, To attract more business oriented people back to Smalltalk, let we organize one day of ESUG conference for business oriented content. For start let we name it simply as an ESUG Experience day. So that its intention is clear and attractive for those people. And let we do some marketing in this direction too. And all in one day, those people cannot afford a whole week for a mostly technical conference. I know from my experience that presentations of real Smalltalk systems convinced me to Smalltalk back in 1995, when I visited my first ESUG in Utrecht/NL. It was at the IBM building and much more business people around. This gave me an impression of seriousness of Smalltalk. Also content was half technical half experiences/business oriented. Also from talks with those people you actually get a feeling what tool is considered professional and accepted for more business oriented development, which is a stated goal of Pharo, for instance. Getting those people together with Pharo development team can really help. For presenters is also a plus because they come in contact with potential customers, even some long standing business partnership can start at such an opportunity. What do you think? Best regards Janko -- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

Jan. 29, 2012

[JOB] Professor Position at Lille

by Marcus Denker

Permanent Professor (Maître de conférence) position. ========================================= The University of Lille-1 has 3 professor positions for September 2012 one of which (MCF-1170) is in software engineering. - Duration: permanent (tenured) - Starting date: September 2012 - Where: University of Lille-1 - Topic: Software Engineering About Lille and the University and RMOD: -------------------------------------------------------- - Lille is located in the north of france. -- one hour from Paris, 1h20 from London, 35 min from Brussels, by train. - RMoD: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr - Université Lille 1: --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Université_Lille_1 --http://www.univ-lille1.fr - Lille: --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lille --http://wikitravel.org/en/Lille For more information enter in contact with Stéphane Ducasse or Nicolas Anquetil (see in http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/team) Permanent link: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/blog/2012-01-20 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Jan. 26, 2012

[JOB] 18 months PostDoc Position INRIA Lille

by Marcus Denker

18 months PostDoc Position INRIA Lille =============================== - Duration: 18 months - Starting date: Begining 2012 - Where: RMOD team at INRIA Lille Nord Europe - Salary: 55 Keuros net (before taxes) - Keywords: dynamic languages, security, information flow, Smalltalk, Javascript The position will take place in the context of the Systematic Resilience project. We will focus on the following main tasks: - Identification and understanding of security problems in Javascript and other dynamic languages - Study and analyze existing approaches towards securing Javascript (Caja, isolates...) - Comparison of different approaches to secure dynamic applications (Zope model, ZTK), Ruby - Study of Mirrors/Capabilities as a basis for security in Javascript - Proposition of an safe architecture for Resilience About Lille and INRIA: ====================== Lille is located in the north of france. (one hour from Paris, 1h20 from London, 35 min from Brussels, by train) -> French food, combined with good Belgium beer. -> RMoD: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr -> INRIA Lille: http://www.inria.fr/lille/ -> INRIA in General: http://www.inria.fr -> Lille: - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lille - http://wikitravel.org/en/Lille Please contact Stephane Ducasse (Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr) for more information. -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Jan. 26, 2012