March 2020 - Esug-list - lists.esug.org

Re: [Esug-list] Coming out

by Alexandre Bergel

Happiness must have no limit! Warm welcome! Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On Mar 31, 2020, at 4:58 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert(a)freudenbergs.de> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Today is Transgender Day of Visibility, and I am coming out publicly as a transgender woman. > > My name is Vanessa, and my pronouns are she / her. > > Many of you have known me for a long time as Bert Freudenberg. I’m still me, just more so. > > I will resubscribe to this list with my new email address, codefrau(a)gmail.com <mailto:codefrau@gmail.com>. > > Cheers! > > - Vanessa - > -- > -- > Dr. Bert Freudenberg > 7275 Franklin Avenue #210 > Los Angeles CA 90046 > +1 (818) 482-3991 > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

March 31, 2020

Re: [Esug-list] Coming out

by Cyril Ferlicot

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:59 AM Bert Freudenberg <bert(a)freudenbergs.de> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > Today is Transgender Day of Visibility, and I am coming out publicly as a transgender woman. > > > My name is Vanessa, and my pronouns are she / her. > > > Many of you have known me for a long time as Bert Freudenberg. I’m still me, just more so. > > > I will resubscribe to this list with my new email address, codefrau(a)gmail.com. > Nice to meet you Vanessa :) Cheers! > > Cheers! > > > - Vanessa - > > -- > -- > Dr. Bert Freudenberg > 7275 Franklin Avenue #210 > Los Angeles CA 90046 > +1 (818) 482-3991 > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- Cyril Ferlicot https://ferlicot.fr

March 31, 2020

Re: [Esug-list] Coming out

by Christian Haider

Congratulation! Bold move. Nice to meet you Vanessa! Von: Esug-list <esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org> Im Auftrag von Bert Freudenberg Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. März 2020 09:59 An: list ESUG Mailing <esug-list(a)lists.esug.org> Betreff: [Esug-list] Coming out Hi all, Today is Transgender Day of Visibility, and I am coming out publicly as a transgender woman. My name is Vanessa, and my pronouns are she / her. Many of you have known me for a long time as Bert Freudenberg. I’m still me, just more so. I will resubscribe to this list with my new email address, codefrau(a)gmail.com <mailto:codefrau@gmail.com> . Cheers! - Vanessa - -- -- Dr. Bert Freudenberg 7275 Franklin Avenue #210 Los Angeles CA 90046 +1 (818) 482-3991

March 31, 2020

Re: [Esug-list] Coming out

by Serge Stinckwich

Hi Vanessa! Welcome to the world. Cheers, -- Serge Stinckwich Head of Research United Nations University Institute in Macau Casa Silva Mendes, Estrada do Engenheiro Trigo No 4, Macau SAR, China https://twitter.com/SergeStinckwich On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 3:59 PM Bert Freudenberg <bert(a)freudenbergs.de> wrote: > Hi all, > > > Today is Transgender Day of Visibility, and I am coming out publicly as a > transgender woman. > > > My name is Vanessa, and my pronouns are she / her. > > > Many of you have known me for a long time as Bert Freudenberg. I’m still > me, just more so. > > > I will resubscribe to this list with my new email address, > codefrau(a)gmail.com. > > > Cheers! > > > - Vanessa - > -- > -- > Dr. Bert Freudenberg > 7275 Franklin Avenue #210 > Los Angeles CA 90046 > +1 (818) 482-3991 > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- Serge Stinckwic h https://twitter.com/SergeStinckwich

March 31, 2020

Re: [Esug-list] Coming out

by Tudor Girba

Welcome, indeed! Tudor > On Mar 31, 2020, at 10:20 AM, stephan <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > > Welcome to the public world, Vanessa! > > > Stephan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- feenk.com "Reasonable is what we are accustomed with."

March 31, 2020

Re: [Esug-list] Coming out

by stephan

Welcome to the public world, Vanessa! Stephan

March 31, 2020

Coming out

by Bert Freudenberg

Hi all, Today is Transgender Day of Visibility, and I am coming out publicly as a transgender woman. My name is Vanessa, and my pronouns are she / her. Many of you have known me for a long time as Bert Freudenberg. I’m still me, just more so. I will resubscribe to this list with my new email address, codefrau(a)gmail.com. Cheers! - Vanessa - -- -- Dr. Bert Freudenberg 7275 Franklin Avenue #210 Los Angeles CA 90046 +1 (818) 482-3991

March 31, 2020

Re: [Esug-list] destructDo:

by Reinout Heeck

For stuffing stuff towards a block we can take inspiration from the #inject:into: selector. 'how did that go?' into: [:firstCharacter :secondCharacter| self halt ] R -

March 30, 2020

Re: [Esug-list] destructDo:

by Niall Ross

Dear Christian and Martin et al., one can simply reverse-ordering valueWith{Possible}Arguments: into argumentsWithValue: - variants include asArgumentsEvaluating:, useAsArgumentsIn:, asPossibleArgumentsTo: and etc. Would it be too gross an abuse of the term to shorten 'possible' by using 'cull' instead - cullArgumentsIn:, asArgumentsCulledEvaluating: , ... ? (I'm ready to respect in advance any purist who would rather type the longer word. :-) ) If Christian finds it makes for cleaner code, then I'm all for it. And I endorse Tim's recommendation for clarity over brevity. Making it look something like a reversed valueWith{Possible}Arguments: is one form of clarity. Just my 0.02p Niall Ross Martin McClure wrote: > After thinking about this message some more, it seemed to me that it > was easier to come up with a good intention-revealing name if the > block were the receiver and the array were the argument. It would be > some kind of #valueWithArguments: selector. So I looked to see whether > there was already such a thing, and sure enough, in Pharo there is > #valueWithPossibleArgs:. > > #valueWithPossibleArgs: will accept arrays (and I hope any > SequenceableCollection) of any size -- trimming the end off if too > large, padding with nils if too short. > > On the principle of "if it's easy to come up with a good name, the > design is probably pretty good" could this possibly be a better solution? > > Regards, > -Martin > > On 3/29/20 7:50 AM, Bruce Badger wrote: > >> We write code once, but read it many times. Given the relatively few >> times I would be using this (rather nice) thing, I'd be happy to type >> the full: >> >> asArgumentsIn: >> >> Christian, congratulations on coming up with something to get us all >> thinking and talking. Good timing too :-/ >> >> Very best wishes, >> Bruce >> >> On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 15:24, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: >> >> Agree with intention revealing - #argumentsIn: would contract it >> a bit more (not sure the as strictly needed as we aren’t >> returning a result). And #argsIn: might be a bit too concise. >> >> Like this proposal though. >> >> Tim >> >> On Sun, 29 Mar 2020, at 2:28 PM, Helge Nowak via Esug-list wrote: >> >>> >>> intention revealing trumps brevity >>> >>> Am Sonntag, 29. März 2020, 00:58:49 MEZ hat Christian Haider >>> <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com >>> <mailto:christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com>> Folgendes >>> geschrieben: >>> >>> >>> Not bad! Captures the semantics nicely. >>> >>> Just a bit long >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Von:* Esug-list <esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org >>> <mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org>> *Im Auftrag von *Bert >>> Freudenberg >>> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 29. März 2020 00:12 >>> *An:* esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:esug-list@lists.esug.org> >>> *Betreff:* Re: [Esug-list] destructDo: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:27 AM Pape, Tobias >>> <Tobias.Pape(a)hpi.de <mailto:Tobias.Pape@hpi.de>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> What about >>> >>> ^stringsOfLine asComponentsIn: [:ignore :string2 >>> :string3 :string4 | >>> self produktbereich: string2 profitcenter: >>> string3 bezeichnung: string4] >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Best regards >>> -Tobias >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Agreed, "...In:" is better than "...Do" because the latter >>> implies iteration in Smalltalk. (never mind ifNotNilDo: which >>> broke the convention) >>> >>> >>> >>> And since block arguments are called "arguments" how about >>> >>> >>> >>> aCollection asArgumentsIn: [:arg1 :arg2 :arg3 | ... ] >>> >>> >>> >>> - Bert - >>> >>> >>> >>> PS: Happy Covid Bike Shedding ;) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Esug-list mailing list >>Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Esug-list mailing list >Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >

March 29, 2020

Re: [Esug-list] destructDo:

by Pape, Tobias

> On 29.03.2020, at 18:23, Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > I think that the „as” is essential and asArgsIn: would read as nice… But why contract the name? what would we gain? Best regards -Tobias > > Von: Esug-list <esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org> Im Auftrag von Tim Mackinnon > Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. März 2020 16:24 > An: esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > Betreff: Re: [Esug-list] destructDo: > > Agree with intention revealing - #argumentsIn: would contract it a bit more (not sure the as strictly needed as we aren’t returning a result). And #argsIn: might be a bit too concise. > > Like this proposal though. > > Tim > > On Sun, 29 Mar 2020, at 2:28 PM, Helge Nowak via Esug-list wrote: >> >> intention revealing trumps brevity >> >> Am Sonntag, 29. März 2020, 00:58:49 MEZ hat Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> Folgendes geschrieben: >> >> >> Not bad! Captures the semantics nicely. >> >> Just a bit long >> >> >> >> >> >> Von: Esug-list <esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org> Im Auftrag von Bert Freudenberg >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. März 2020 00:12 >> An: esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> Betreff: Re: [Esug-list] destructDo: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:27 AM Pape, Tobias <Tobias.Pape(a)hpi.de> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> What about >>> >>> ^stringsOfLine asComponentsIn: [:ignore :string2 :string3 :string4 | >>> self produktbereich: string2 profitcenter: string3 bezeichnung: string4] >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Best regards >>> -Tobias >>> >> >> >> Agreed, "...In:" is better than "...Do" because the latter implies iteration in Smalltalk. (never mind ifNotNilDo: which broke the convention) >> >> >> >> And since block arguments are called "arguments" how about >> >> >> >> aCollection asArgumentsIn: [:arg1 :arg2 :arg3 | ... ] >> >> >> >> - Bert - >> >> >> >> PS: Happy Covid Bike Shedding ;) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- Tobias Pape Software Architecture Group | http://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/swa/ Future SOC Lab | https://hpi.de/future-soc-lab Hasso-Plattner-Institut für Digital Engineering gGmbH | Universität Potsdam Prof.-Dr.-Helmert-Str. 2-3, D-14482 Potsdam, Germany Amtsgericht Potsdam, HRB 12184 | Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Christoph Meinel

March 29, 2020