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Someone to share a room for ESUG'10 ?

by Serge Stinckwich

Hi all, i would like to share the cost of a bedroom with someone else during ESUG'10. As i will already pay a lot to come from Ha Noi to Barcelona, i'm looking for something in the range of 40-60 euros per night. BTW, normally if i don't drink beers, i don't snore ;-) Thank you. Regards, -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/

Aug. 11, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Colstme in June

by Alexander Lazarević

As promised a short reminder for the upcoming 4th Cologne Smalltalk Meetup. The poll about the date is still open at [1] and the deadline will be a week from now. More about it at [2]. Cheers, Alex [1] http://www.doodle.com/cskz2yetns5x359v [2] http://colstme.selfish.org

Aug. 3, 2010

Smalltalks 2010 Research Track: Call for Papers

by Valloud, Andres

** PLEASE EXCUSE US IF YOU RECEIVE MULTIPLE COPIES ** CALL FOR PAPERS SMALLTALKS 2010 4th Argentinian Smalltalk Conference Research Track: Call for Papers November 11th - 13th, 2010 Important dates: Submission (Hard Deadline): September 7th, 2010 (Argentinian time: UTC/GMT -3 hours). Notification of acceptance: October 6th, 2010. Camera Ready Submission: October 20th, 2010. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conference Site: Universidad Tecnológica Nacional (UTN), Concepción del Uruguay (Entre Ríos, Argentina) In the past three years the Smalltalks series of conferences (www.fast.org.ar) have been a lively forum on Smalltalk-based software technologies that attracted over more than 200 people from both academia and industry for three days. During the first three conferences, the industrial partners showed the applicability of Smalltalk in business, while researches (both students and professors) showed their advances and didactic uses of Smalltalk. The presented approaches and methodologies concerned the language, its implementation technology, its programming tools as well as the software development culture it supports. This year the accepted papers not only will be available in the website but also the best ranked ones will be published in a special edition of Elsevier COMLAN Journal. Thus, we invite to submit papers in the research track on original scientific research conducted in and/or for Smalltalk in general. Topics of interest include, but are not restricted to: * Aspects, Aspect Languages and Applications. * Ambient Intelligence, Ubiquitous / Pervasive Computing and Embedded Systems. * Compilation Technology, Optimization, Virtual Machines. * Educational Material. * Language Engineering, Extensions. * Model Driven Engineering / Development. * Meta-Modeling, Reflection and Meta-programming. * Programming in the Large, Design, Architectures and Components. * Programming Environments, Browsers, User Interfaces, UI Frameworks. * Reasoning About Code (Analysis, Refactoring, Type Inference, Metrics). * Team Management. * Testing, Extreme Programming / Practices. * Web Services, Internet Applications, Event-driven Programming. * Experience Reports. Important dates: Submission (Hard Deadline): September 7th, 2010 (Argentinian time: UTC/GMT -3 hours). Notification of acceptance: October 6th, 2010. Camera Ready Submission: October 20th, 2010. Papers: Papers should be written in English, in pdf-format and not exceed 15 pages (including references and figures), using Elsevier journal format. Templates for LaTeX formats can be found at http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authorsview.authors/elsart Papers must be submitted through the EasyChair submission web site at http://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=smalltalks10 The accepted papers will be digitally available in the conference website. From accepted papers, selected ones will be published in a special edition of Elsevier COMLAN Journal. Papers submitted must not have been previously published and must not be under review for publication elsewhere. Papers must strictly adhere to submission guidelines. If you have questions, please send an e-mail to Marcus Denker and Gabriela Arévalo to smalltalks2010-chair(a)fast.org.ar using [Smalltalks2010-RT] as a tag in the e-mail subject. Program Committee -------------------------- * Alexandre Bergel (DCC, Universidad de Chile, Chile) * Noury Bouraqadi (Ecole des Mines, Douai, France) * Gilad Bracha (Ministry of Truth, USA) * Johan Brichau (Inceptive.be, Belgium) * Johan Fabry (DCC, Universidad de Chile, Chile) * Alejandro Fernandez (LIFIA - Facultad de Informática - UNLP, Argentina) * Tudor Girba (Sw-eng. Software Engineering GmbH, Switzerland) * Andy Kellens (SOFT, Vrije Universiteit Brussels, Belgium) * Michele Lanza (University of Lugano, Switzerland) * Adrian Lienhard (SCG, University of Bern, Switzerland) * Damien Pollet (INRIA / Université de Lille 1, France) * Lukas Renggli (SCG, University of Bern, Switzerland) * David Röthlisberger (SCG, University of Bern, Switzerland) * Tom Van Cutsem (SOFT, Vrije Universeit Brussels, Belgium) Program Chairs -------------------- * Marcus Denker (INRIA, Lille, France) * Gabriela Arévalo (Universidad Austral, Buenos Aires, Argentina)

July 24, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] "Dynamic Web Development with Seaside" reduction

by stephane ducasse

excellent! Stef On Jul 23, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Luigi Panzeri wrote: > I just bought the book and I used the discount code. It works :-) > > > Il giorno 23/lug/2010, alle ore 10.43, laurent laffont ha scritto: > >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Francois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Are you browsing the french version of Lulu ? I think it does not display the books in English by default... >> >> >> Yes, that's it. >> >> Laurent >> >> >> >> On 22/07/10 19:22, laurent laffont wrote: >> Strange: when I search for Seaside on Lulu (or web development), no >> results found.... >> >> Laurent >> >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Dave Mason <dmason(a)ryerson.ca >> <mailto:dmason@ryerson.ca>> wrote: >> >> Looks legitimate to me. When I click on the link it takes me to >> lulu. Not spam at all. >> >> ../Dave >> >> >> On 2010-Jul-21, at 18:29 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> >> Hi guys >> >> apparently lulu is giving 15% reduction on our book. >> >> Stef and Lukas >> >> >> >> >> >> Publish >> | >> Buy >> | >> Sell >> | >> Services >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dynamic Web Development with Seaside >> Purchase Dynamic Web Development with Seasidewith 15% off >> with coupon code BEACHREAD305 >> >> Disclaimer: Use coupon code BEACHREAD305 at checkout and >> receive 15% off Dynamic Web Development with Seaside. >> Maximum savings with this promotion is $10. You can only use >> the code once per account, and you can't use this coupon in >> combination with other coupon codes. This great offer ends >> on August 15, 2010 at 11:59 PM so try not to procrastinate! >> While very unlikely we do reserve the right to change or >> revoke this offer at anytime, and of course we cannot offer >> this coupon where it is against the law to do so. >> Copyright © 2002-2010 Lulu, Inc. All Rights Reserved. >> >> This email was sent to seasidebook(a)free.fr >> <mailto:seasidebook@free.fr> >> >> >> Lulu.com | 3101 Hillsborough St. | Raleigh | NC | 27607-5436 >> Manage your account preferences >> >> Unsubscribe from marketing emails from Lulu.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> >> >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> >> >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

July 23, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] "Dynamic Web Development with Seaside" reduction

by Luigi Panzeri

I just bought the book and I used the discount code. It works :-) Il giorno 23/lug/2010, alle ore 10.43, laurent laffont ha scritto: > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Francois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Are you browsing the french version of Lulu ? I think it does not display the books in English by default... > > > Yes, that's it. > > Laurent > > > > On 22/07/10 19:22, laurent laffont wrote: > Strange: when I search for Seaside on Lulu (or web development), no > results found.... > > Laurent > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Dave Mason <dmason(a)ryerson.ca > <mailto:dmason@ryerson.ca>> wrote: > > Looks legitimate to me. When I click on the link it takes me to > lulu. Not spam at all. > > ../Dave > > > On 2010-Jul-21, at 18:29 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > Hi guys > > apparently lulu is giving 15% reduction on our book. > > Stef and Lukas > > > > > > Publish > | > Buy > | > Sell > | > Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dynamic Web Development with Seaside > Purchase Dynamic Web Development with Seasidewith 15% off > with coupon code BEACHREAD305 > > Disclaimer: Use coupon code BEACHREAD305 at checkout and > receive 15% off Dynamic Web Development with Seaside. > Maximum savings with this promotion is $10. You can only use > the code once per account, and you can't use this coupon in > combination with other coupon codes. This great offer ends > on August 15, 2010 at 11:59 PM so try not to procrastinate! > While very unlikely we do reserve the right to change or > revoke this offer at anytime, and of course we cannot offer > this coupon where it is against the law to do so. > Copyright © 2002-2010 Lulu, Inc. All Rights Reserved. > > This email was sent to seasidebook(a)free.fr > <mailto:seasidebook@free.fr> > > > Lulu.com | 3101 Hillsborough St. | Raleigh | NC | 27607-5436 > Manage your account preferences > > Unsubscribe from marketing emails from Lulu.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

July 23, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] "Dynamic Web Development with Seaside" reduction

by laurent laffont

On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Francois Stephany < tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Are you browsing the french version of Lulu ? I think it does not display > the books in English by default... Yes, that's it. Laurent > > > On 22/07/10 19:22, laurent laffont wrote: > >> Strange: when I search for Seaside on Lulu (or web development), no >> results found.... >> >> Laurent >> >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Dave Mason <dmason(a)ryerson.ca >> <mailto:dmason@ryerson.ca>> wrote: >> >> Looks legitimate to me. When I click on the link it takes me to >> lulu. Not spam at all. >> >> ../Dave >> >> >> On 2010-Jul-21, at 18:29 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> >> Hi guys >> >> apparently lulu is giving 15% reduction on our book. >> >> Stef and Lukas >> >> >> >> >> >> Publish >> | >> Buy >> | >> Sell >> | >> Services >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dynamic Web Development with Seaside >> Purchase Dynamic Web Development with Seasidewith 15% off >> with coupon code BEACHREAD305 >> >> Disclaimer: Use coupon code BEACHREAD305 at checkout and >> receive 15% off Dynamic Web Development with Seaside. >> Maximum savings with this promotion is $10. You can only use >> the code once per account, and you can't use this coupon in >> combination with other coupon codes. This great offer ends >> on August 15, 2010 at 11:59 PM so try not to procrastinate! >> While very unlikely we do reserve the right to change or >> revoke this offer at anytime, and of course we cannot offer >> this coupon where it is against the law to do so. >> Copyright © 2002-2010 Lulu, Inc. All Rights Reserved. >> >> This email was sent to seasidebook(a)free.fr >> <mailto:seasidebook@free.fr> >> >> >> Lulu.com | 3101 Hillsborough St. | Raleigh | NC | 27607-5436 >> Manage your account preferences >> >> Unsubscribe from marketing emails from Lulu.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> >> >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> >> >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >

July 23, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] "Dynamic Web Development with Seaside" reduction

by Francois Stephany

Are you browsing the french version of Lulu ? I think it does not display the books in English by default... On 22/07/10 19:22, laurent laffont wrote: > Strange: when I search for Seaside on Lulu (or web development), no > results found.... > > Laurent > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Dave Mason <dmason(a)ryerson.ca > <mailto:dmason@ryerson.ca>> wrote: > > Looks legitimate to me. When I click on the link it takes me to > lulu. Not spam at all. > > ../Dave > > > On 2010-Jul-21, at 18:29 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > Hi guys > > apparently lulu is giving 15% reduction on our book. > > Stef and Lukas > > > > > > Publish > | > Buy > | > Sell > | > Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dynamic Web Development with Seaside > Purchase Dynamic Web Development with Seasidewith 15% off > with coupon code BEACHREAD305 > > Disclaimer: Use coupon code BEACHREAD305 at checkout and > receive 15% off Dynamic Web Development with Seaside. > Maximum savings with this promotion is $10. You can only use > the code once per account, and you can't use this coupon in > combination with other coupon codes. This great offer ends > on August 15, 2010 at 11:59 PM so try not to procrastinate! > While very unlikely we do reserve the right to change or > revoke this offer at anytime, and of course we cannot offer > this coupon where it is against the law to do so. > Copyright © 2002-2010 Lulu, Inc. All Rights Reserved. > > This email was sent to seasidebook(a)free.fr > <mailto:seasidebook@free.fr> > > Lulu.com | 3101 Hillsborough St. | Raleigh | NC | 27607-5436 > Manage your account preferences > > Unsubscribe from marketing emails from Lulu.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

July 23, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] "Dynamic Web Development with Seaside" reduction

by Michel Tilman

Found the book when searching on "web development" from the Lulu home page ... http://www.lulu.com/browse/search.php?fListingClass=0&fSearch=web+developme… michel On 22 Jul 2010, at 20:24, Julian Fitzell wrote: > I had that problem too last time I ordered books. Could only get to it > from the book.seaside.st link... > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:22 PM, laurent laffont > <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Strange: when I search for Seaside on Lulu (or web development), no results >> found.... >> Laurent >> >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Dave Mason <dmason(a)ryerson.ca> wrote: >>> >>> Looks legitimate to me. When I click on the link it takes me to lulu. >>> Not spam at all. >>> >>> ../Dave >>> >>> On 2010-Jul-21, at 18:29 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> Hi guys >>>> >>>> apparently lulu is giving 15% reduction on our book. >>>> >>>> Stef and Lukas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Publish >>>>> | >>>>> Buy >>>>> | >>>>> Sell >>>>> | >>>>> Services >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dynamic Web Development with Seaside >>>>> Purchase Dynamic Web Development with Seasidewith 15% off with coupon >>>>> code BEACHREAD305 >>>>> >>>>> Disclaimer: Use coupon code BEACHREAD305 at checkout and receive 15% off >>>>> Dynamic Web Development with Seaside. Maximum savings with this promotion is >>>>> $10. You can only use the code once per account, and you can't use this >>>>> coupon in combination with other coupon codes. This great offer ends on >>>>> August 15, 2010 at 11:59 PM so try not to procrastinate! While very unlikely >>>>> we do reserve the right to change or revoke this offer at anytime, and of >>>>> course we cannot offer this coupon where it is against the law to do so. >>>>> Copyright © 2002-2010 Lulu, Inc. All Rights Reserved. >>>>> >>>>> This email was sent to seasidebook(a)free.fr >>>>> >>>>> Lulu.com | 3101 Hillsborough St. | Raleigh | NC | 27607-5436 >>>>> Manage your account preferences >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe from marketing emails from Lulu.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Esug-list mailing list >>>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

July 22, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] "Dynamic Web Development with Seaside" reduction

by Julian Fitzell

I had that problem too last time I ordered books. Could only get to it from the book.seaside.st link... On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:22 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Strange: when I search for Seaside on Lulu (or web development), no results > found.... > Laurent > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Dave Mason <dmason(a)ryerson.ca> wrote: >> >> Looks legitimate to me. When I click on the link it takes me to lulu. >> Not spam at all. >> >> ../Dave >> >> On 2010-Jul-21, at 18:29 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> Hi guys >>> >>> apparently lulu is giving 15% reduction on our book. >>> >>> Stef and Lukas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Publish >>>> | >>>> Buy >>>> | >>>> Sell >>>> | >>>> Services >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dynamic Web Development with Seaside >>>> Purchase Dynamic Web Development with Seasidewith 15% off with coupon >>>> code BEACHREAD305 >>>> >>>> Disclaimer: Use coupon code BEACHREAD305 at checkout and receive 15% off >>>> Dynamic Web Development with Seaside. Maximum savings with this promotion is >>>> $10. You can only use the code once per account, and you can't use this >>>> coupon in combination with other coupon codes. This great offer ends on >>>> August 15, 2010 at 11:59 PM so try not to procrastinate! While very unlikely >>>> we do reserve the right to change or revoke this offer at anytime, and of >>>> course we cannot offer this coupon where it is against the law to do so. >>>> Copyright © 2002-2010 Lulu, Inc. All Rights Reserved. >>>> >>>> This email was sent to seasidebook(a)free.fr >>>> >>>> Lulu.com | 3101 Hillsborough St. | Raleigh | NC | 27607-5436 >>>> Manage your account preferences >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe from marketing emails from Lulu.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >

July 22, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] "Dynamic Web Development with Seaside" reduction

by laurent laffont

Strange: when I search for Seaside on Lulu (or web development), no results found.... Laurent On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Dave Mason <dmason(a)ryerson.ca> wrote: > Looks legitimate to me. When I click on the link it takes me to lulu. Not > spam at all. > > ../Dave > > > On 2010-Jul-21, at 18:29 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > Hi guys >> >> apparently lulu is giving 15% reduction on our book. >> >> Stef and Lukas >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Publish >>> | >>> Buy >>> | >>> Sell >>> | >>> Services >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dynamic Web Development with Seaside >>> Purchase Dynamic Web Development with Seasidewith 15% off with coupon >>> code BEACHREAD305 >>> >>> Disclaimer: Use coupon code BEACHREAD305 at checkout and receive 15% off >>> Dynamic Web Development with Seaside. Maximum savings with this promotion is >>> $10. You can only use the code once per account, and you can't use this >>> coupon in combination with other coupon codes. This great offer ends on >>> August 15, 2010 at 11:59 PM so try not to procrastinate! While very unlikely >>> we do reserve the right to change or revoke this offer at anytime, and of >>> course we cannot offer this coupon where it is against the law to do so. >>> Copyright © 2002-2010 Lulu, Inc. All Rights Reserved. >>> >>> This email was sent to seasidebook(a)free.fr >>> >>> Lulu.com | 3101 Hillsborough St. | Raleigh | NC | 27607-5436 >>> Manage your account preferences >>> >>> Unsubscribe from marketing emails from Lulu.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >

July 22, 2010