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Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Josef Springer <Josef.Springer(a)joops.com>wrote: > Hello, > > would it not a good idea, to buld a central register of productive > Smalltalk applications, to show the world about. > Because not only developers can win with Smalltalk... > http://www.world.st/ ?? > > Josef Springer > > > James Robertson wrote: > > Well :) > > I've been promoting Smalltalk for years, and lately, I've been promoting all dialects using > > -- my blog > -- screencasts > -- podcasts > > I'd be happy to do more, but my personal budget doesn't allow for much more :) > > > On Mar 17, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > > > Hi guys > > Where were you? > Where are your bogs, books, videos, and cool Smalltalk open source projects? > I mean that this is easy to get frustrated but it is possible to do things: > - I wrote Squeak by Example not for me but for newcomers > - We are writing Pharo by example two for the same. > - I wrote the Seaside book because it was important for other people (and because avi was not writing one) > - we are pushing pharo because we want to create a good open-source smalltalk. > > I came to smalltalk in 1996 when everybody left and I decided to do something. Now this is not enough but I'm not frustrated > and we are creating good energy. If people really want they can join and help or get frustrated. > > Stef > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing listEsug-list@lists.esug.orghttp://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > James Robertsonhttp://www.jarober.comjarober@gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing listEsug-list@lists.esug.orghttp://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >

March 19, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk Solutions Las Vegas 2011 - The Business Conference is over

by Geert Claes

Thanks Georg, Can you let us know when the slides and videos are posted on the stic website? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-Solutions-Las-Vegas-2011-The-Business-Confe… Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 18, 2011

Smalltalk Solutions Las Vegas 2011 - The Business Conference is over

by Georg Heeg

All, Smalltalk Solutions 2011 is over. It has been a great conference. The mood among Smalltalkers was great. There is really interesting new stuff going on in various places. For those who attended and want to recap what they had heard, and for those who could not make it we are currently preparing slides and videos to become available on our web site www.stic.st. Currently we are collecting comments about * What worked? * What did not work? * What do you want to see at next conference? * Location requests * Time of the year Please send your comments to stic_management(a)stic.st, preferably within the next two weeks. Thanks to all who made this conference a great success: the sponsors Cincom, Instantiations, GemStone, and Precision, the speakers, and all the attendees! Georg Heeg STIC - Smalltalk Industry Council Executive Director Phone +49-3496-214328, Fax +49-3496-214712

March 17, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...

by HwaJongOh

I myself have made an trial and error(ugly & beauty) screencast of using Pharo for Riak. ==> http://appdal.com/groups/36442/wiki/be0d1/Riak_Interface_for_Pharo_Smalltal… 2011. 3. 17., 저녁 10:56, James Robertson 작성: > Well :) > > I've been promoting Smalltalk for years, and lately, I've been promoting all dialects using > > -- my blog > -- screencasts > -- podcasts > > I'd be happy to do more, but my personal budget doesn't allow for much more :) > > > On Mar 17, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> Hi guys >> >> Where were you? >> Where are your bogs, books, videos, and cool Smalltalk open source projects? >> I mean that this is easy to get frustrated but it is possible to do things: >> - I wrote Squeak by Example not for me but for newcomers >> - We are writing Pharo by example two for the same. >> - I wrote the Seaside book because it was important for other people (and because avi was not writing one) >> - we are pushing pharo because we want to create a good open-source smalltalk. >> >> I came to smalltalk in 1996 when everybody left and I decided to do something. Now this is not enough but I'm not frustrated >> and we are creating good energy. If people really want they can join and help or get frustrated. >> >> Stef >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > James Robertson > http://www.jarober.com > jarober(a)gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

March 17, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...

by Davorin Rusevljan

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I like what you do James. We need more people do a fraction of what you do ! > Laurent. even aside of writing our own blog posts (which should do), just commenting on other peoples blogs, tweeting and buzzing about them can be of help. davorin rusevljan http://www.cloud208.com/

March 17, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...

by Josef Springer

Hello, would it not a good idea, to buld a central register of productive Smalltalk applications, to show the world about. Because not only developers can win with Smalltalk... Josef Springer James Robertson wrote: > Well :) > > I've been promoting Smalltalk for years, and lately, I've been promoting all dialects using > > -- my blog > -- screencasts > -- podcasts > > I'd be happy to do more, but my personal budget doesn't allow for much more :) > > > On Mar 17, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > >> Hi guys >> >> Where were you? >> Where are your bogs, books, videos, and cool Smalltalk open source projects? >> I mean that this is easy to get frustrated but it is possible to do things: >> - I wrote Squeak by Example not for me but for newcomers >> - We are writing Pharo by example two for the same. >> - I wrote the Seaside book because it was important for other people (and because avi was not writing one) >> - we are pushing pharo because we want to create a good open-source smalltalk. >> >> I came to smalltalk in 1996 when everybody left and I decided to do something. Now this is not enough but I'm not frustrated >> and we are creating good energy. If people really want they can join and help or get frustrated. >> >> Stef >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> > > James Robertson > http://www.jarober.com > jarober(a)gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > >

March 17, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...

by laurent laffont

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:56 PM, James Robertson <jarober(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Well :) > > I've been promoting Smalltalk for years, and lately, I've been promoting > all dialects using > > -- my blog > -- screencasts > -- podcasts > > I'd be happy to do more, but my personal budget doesn't allow for much more > :) > I like what you do James. We need more people do a fraction of what you do ! Laurent. > > > On Mar 17, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > > Hi guys > > > > Where were you? > > Where are your bogs, books, videos, and cool Smalltalk open source > projects? > > I mean that this is easy to get frustrated but it is possible to do > things: > > - I wrote Squeak by Example not for me but for newcomers > > - We are writing Pharo by example two for the same. > > - I wrote the Seaside book because it was important for other > people (and because avi was not writing one) > > - we are pushing pharo because we want to create a good open-source > smalltalk. > > > > I came to smalltalk in 1996 when everybody left and I decided to do > something. Now this is not enough but I'm not frustrated > > and we are creating good energy. If people really want they can join and > help or get frustrated. > > > > Stef > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > James Robertson > http://www.jarober.com > jarober(a)gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >

March 17, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...

by Geert Claes

jarober-2 wrote: > > Well :) > > I've been promoting Smalltalk for years, and lately, I've been promoting > all dialects using > > -- my blog > -- screencasts > -- podcasts > > I'd be happy to do more, but my personal budget doesn't allow for much > more :) > Yep, excellent job James! :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-hosting-tp3384077p3384622.html Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 17, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...

by James Robertson

Well :) I've been promoting Smalltalk for years, and lately, I've been promoting all dialects using -- my blog -- screencasts -- podcasts I'd be happy to do more, but my personal budget doesn't allow for much more :) On Mar 17, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Hi guys > > Where were you? > Where are your bogs, books, videos, and cool Smalltalk open source projects? > I mean that this is easy to get frustrated but it is possible to do things: > - I wrote Squeak by Example not for me but for newcomers > - We are writing Pharo by example two for the same. > - I wrote the Seaside book because it was important for other people (and because avi was not writing one) > - we are pushing pharo because we want to create a good open-source smalltalk. > > I came to smalltalk in 1996 when everybody left and I decided to do something. Now this is not enough but I'm not frustrated > and we are creating good energy. If people really want they can join and help or get frustrated. > > Stef > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org James Robertson http://www.jarober.com jarober(a)gmail.com

March 17, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...

by Alexandre Bergel

> There is no need of how-to's for Pier for basic usage (e.g., editing pages, adding menus, doing internal links, adding users). > > I started to use Pier after watching Damien's screencast. I've tried before but could not understand how to do => no courage to go further. May be I'm stupid, but I need them. I am not sure you need a better external documentation for Pier basic usage. But you surely need a better and more intuitive GUI. Just better marketing as Ralph would say. Alexandre > > > > It is wrong to think this is necessary. I have never read the documentation of SimpleCMS, simply there isn't and there is no need to. > > Alexandre > > > > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I absolutely agree with Ralph, one of the main problems with Smalltalk over the last twenty years > >> has been the lack of marketing of its strengths (the arrival of Java was another one!). > >> > >> Steve Edwards > >> (Frustrated ex-Smalltalker, ex-The-Object-People, now doing Java and Ruby.) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 17 March 2011 11:16, Ralph Johnson <johnson(a)cs.uiuc.edu <mailto:johnson@cs.uiuc.edu>> wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Geert Claes > >> <geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com <mailto:geert.wl.claes@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > > >> > laurent laffont wrote: > >> >> > >> >> ... > >> >> The big problem with Pier is the terrible lack of > >> documentation, recipes, > >> >> how-to's...... no marketing, no communication with user. > >> >> ... > >> >> > >> > > >> > When you say marketing what do you mean exactly because an > >> application users > >> > want to use does its own marketing and than there is no need to > >> do a hard > >> > sell :) > >> > >> Marketing is NOT "hard sell". Marketing is figuring out what > >> customers want and removing the things preventing them from getting > >> it. it is finding the people who ought to use a product and letting > >> them know about it. Marketing often means fixing the documentation, > >> the license, or something else non-technical. > >> > >> No product can succeed without marketing. None ever has. Sometimes > >> the marketing was not done by the inventor. Sometimes it is hard to > >> tell who is doing the marketing and just what they did. But marketing > >> is crucial. > >> > >> One of the problems with Smalltalk now is that the good marketeers > >> have left it. When I heard that Dave Thomas was retiring I stood up > >> on the bus, which was full of Smalltalkers, and said that this was the > >> passing of an era, and that someone else needed to step up or > >> Smalltalk would falter. More Smalltalkers need to read marketing > >> books like "The Tipping Point" and "Crossing the Chasm". > >> > >> This is a very important thread. Please don't say that marketing is > >> unimportant. Marketing is crucial, and a weakness in the Smalltalk > >> community. > >> > >> -Ralph Johnson > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Esug-list mailing list > >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> > >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Steve Edwards > >> Escala Ltd. > >> steve(a)escala.co.uk <mailto:steve@escala.co.uk> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > >> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Esug-list mailing list > >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >> > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

March 17, 2011