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Re: [Esug-list] [vwnc] Language Translation Tools

by John McIntosh

There are a number of people on the Pharo forums who have built out the iOS Squeak VM for I'd guess closure VMs this year and there are various apps in the store based on that VM. There has been work on a JIT VM for ARM, no reason why that would not run on iOS. Apple in iOS 4.x made it possible to mmap executable pages. The issue as James mentioned is you can not download bytecodes (aka flash/java/smalltalk) or scripts from the internet, all scripts/bytecodes/etc must be in the app as submitted to Apple for approval. If you consider the Scratch.app https://github.com/johnmci/Scratch.app.for.iOS you'll find it's an objective-c app that wraps the Squeak VM and a Scratch image. Technically you could run a headless image/vm and exchange data with the Objective-C wrapper you would write. Goodness you could even do all your API interaction between the VM and Objective-C via local sockets for example. that might make debugging just that much easier On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:47 AM, James Robertson <jarober(a)gmail.com> wrote: > A few years ago John McIntosh spoke about this very thing at the Smalltalk Solutions conference. What's banned is a fully open Smalltalk system (or one open enough, like Scratch, that users can download live code at runtime). An app built in Smalltalk isn't a problem, unless you leave it open to live updates. > > None of the commercial vendors have done any work to make it possible to use their systems on IOS (or Android, for that matter). There's been a lot of work in the open source Smalltalk world in those directions. > > > On Aug 17, 2012, at 7:47 AM, stephane ducasse wrote: > >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> do any frameworks or tools exist for VisualWorks that could help port an application (some 80+ classes only) to Objective-C++ and/or C++0x ? I'm not looking for a complete solution, just something that can save me creating hundreds of files and class skeletons by hand. >>> >>> Smalltalk is forbidden on iOS by Apple. Even if it would be allowed, I doubt I could get the VM compiled for that platform. Therefore I need a port. >> >> This is not true. Smalltalk is not forbidden. This is JIT and self modifying code. >> >> DrGeoII is going today to the AppStore. >> >>> I can imagine that associating every instance variable with a type (class) could already be sufficient to do the type inferencing for all methods. Although I have no detailed idea yet how to map both languages. It is certainly not worth the effort to brew my own solution anyway. So some already existing tool would be really nice. >>> >>> Any hint is appreciated. >>> >>> Andre >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> vwnc mailing list >>> vwnc(a)cs.uiuc.edu >>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vwnc mailing list >> vwnc(a)cs.uiuc.edu >> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc > > James Robertson > http://www.jarober.com > jarober(a)gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com iPhone Apps. http://www.wikiserver.com Twitter: squeaker68882 ===========================================================================

Aug. 17, 2012

Re: [Esug-list] [vwnc] Language Translation Tools

by clayton cottingham

james is correct, speak w Mr. McIntosh before esug 09 i spoke w john via email and he does have an adhoc squeak iphone app , no keyboard but it does run on the iphone, i can confirm that , and i think i showed it around at the conf to some people he sent me an ftp link for his iphone app w a mobile provisioning file but i think its best to speak w him directly , it may have been updated since then if you cant get ahold of him let me know and ill check the link and post if its not broken cheers On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:47 AM, James Robertson <jarober(a)gmail.com> wrote: > A few years ago John McIntosh spoke about this very thing at the Smalltalk Solutions conference. What's banned is a fully open Smalltalk system (or one open enough, like Scratch, that users can download live code at runtime). An app built in Smalltalk isn't a problem, unless you leave it open to live updates. > > None of the commercial vendors have done any work to make it possible to use their systems on IOS (or Android, for that matter). There's been a lot of work in the open source Smalltalk world in those directions. > > > On Aug 17, 2012, at 7:47 AM, stephane ducasse wrote: > >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> do any frameworks or tools exist for VisualWorks that could help port an application (some 80+ classes only) to Objective-C++ and/or C++0x ? I'm not looking for a complete solution, just something that can save me creating hundreds of files and class skeletons by hand. >>> >>> Smalltalk is forbidden on iOS by Apple. Even if it would be allowed, I doubt I could get the VM compiled for that platform. Therefore I need a port. >> >> This is not true. Smalltalk is not forbidden. This is JIT and self modifying code. >> >> DrGeoII is going today to the AppStore. >> >>> I can imagine that associating every instance variable with a type (class) could already be sufficient to do the type inferencing for all methods. Although I have no detailed idea yet how to map both languages. It is certainly not worth the effort to brew my own solution anyway. So some already existing tool would be really nice. >>> >>> Any hint is appreciated. >>> >>> Andre >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> vwnc mailing list >>> vwnc(a)cs.uiuc.edu >>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vwnc mailing list >> vwnc(a)cs.uiuc.edu >> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc > > James Robertson > http://www.jarober.com > jarober(a)gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- Clayton Cottingham - WinterMarket Networks Phone: (604) 417-3254 (702) 426-4465 http://www.wintermarket.net aim: drfrogrx msn: drfrog666(a)hotmail.com gmail: drfrog666(a)gmail.com

Aug. 17, 2012

Re: [Esug-list] [vwnc] Language Translation Tools

by James Robertson

A few years ago John McIntosh spoke about this very thing at the Smalltalk Solutions conference. What's banned is a fully open Smalltalk system (or one open enough, like Scratch, that users can download live code at runtime). An app built in Smalltalk isn't a problem, unless you leave it open to live updates. None of the commercial vendors have done any work to make it possible to use their systems on IOS (or Android, for that matter). There's been a lot of work in the open source Smalltalk world in those directions. On Aug 17, 2012, at 7:47 AM, stephane ducasse wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> do any frameworks or tools exist for VisualWorks that could help port an application (some 80+ classes only) to Objective-C++ and/or C++0x ? I'm not looking for a complete solution, just something that can save me creating hundreds of files and class skeletons by hand. >> >> Smalltalk is forbidden on iOS by Apple. Even if it would be allowed, I doubt I could get the VM compiled for that platform. Therefore I need a port. > > This is not true. Smalltalk is not forbidden. This is JIT and self modifying code. > > DrGeoII is going today to the AppStore. > >> I can imagine that associating every instance variable with a type (class) could already be sufficient to do the type inferencing for all methods. Although I have no detailed idea yet how to map both languages. It is certainly not worth the effort to brew my own solution anyway. So some already existing tool would be really nice. >> >> Any hint is appreciated. >> >> Andre >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vwnc mailing list >> vwnc(a)cs.uiuc.edu >> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc > > > _______________________________________________ > vwnc mailing list > vwnc(a)cs.uiuc.edu > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc James Robertson http://www.jarober.com jarober(a)gmail.com

Aug. 17, 2012

Re: [Esug-list] ESUG Exercise

by Philippe Marschall

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Johan Brichau <johan(a)inceptive.be> wrote: > Philippe, > > If you want to investigate where to run in Gent: > http://www.jog-tours.com/home?location=1&lang=EN Thanks, I'll have a look. Cheers Philippe

Aug. 15, 2012

Re: [Esug-list] ESUG Exercise

by Johan Brichau

Philippe, If you want to investigate where to run in Gent: http://www.jog-tours.com/home?location=1&lang=EN Cheers Johan On 02 Aug 2012, at 22:49, Philippe Marschall wrote: > Hi > > Would you like to be awake and ready to focus on the outstanding talks > ESUG has to offer? Would you like to burn off some calories form all > the socializing of the previous evening? Then why not go for a run in > the morning in the amazing scenery that Ghent has to offer? So if > you're interested bring your running gear with you. > > Yes, this is a rehash of last years event which was actually quite > successful. > > Cheers > Philippe > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Aug. 15, 2012

Re: [Esug-list] Innovation Technology awards submission

by Jorge Ressia

No problem Jordi, Thanks a lot. On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Jordi Delgado wrote: > Yes, your submission is correct, no error means confirmation :-) > > With respect to the 'submissions' link, I will try to fix it > asap. Thanks for noticing (well, of course, *I* should have > noticed, I apologize for that) > > Bests, > > Jordi > > >> Hi Jordi, >> >> I submitted a tool for the innovation awards through the registration >> application, however, I did not received any confirmation. >> Is that ok? >> >> The link submissions in http://esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2012 >> points to a forbidden page which asks the user to authenticate. >> But this authentication has nothing to do with the registration page. >> I would suggest changing the link to point to the registration >> application. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jorge >> >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > Jorge

Aug. 13, 2012

Re: [Esug-list] Innovation Technology awards submission

by Jordi Delgado

Yes, your submission is correct, no error means confirmation :-) With respect to the 'submissions' link, I will try to fix it asap. Thanks for noticing (well, of course, *I* should have noticed, I apologize for that) Bests, Jordi > Hi Jordi, > > I submitted a tool for the innovation awards through the registration > application, however, I did not received any confirmation. > Is that ok? > > The link submissions in http://esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2012 > points to a forbidden page which asks the user to authenticate. > But this authentication has nothing to do with the registration page. > I would suggest changing the link to point to the registration > application. > > Cheers, > > Jorge > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Aug. 13, 2012

Innovation Technology awards submission

by Jorge Ressia

Hi Jordi, I submitted a tool for the innovation awards through the registration application, however, I did not received any confirmation. Is that ok? The link submissions in http://esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2012 points to a forbidden page which asks the user to authenticate. But this authentication has nothing to do with the registration page. I would suggest changing the link to point to the registration application. Cheers, Jorge

Aug. 13, 2012

Re: [Esug-list] 4 days left!! - ESUG 2012 9th Innovation Technology Awards - Reminder

by Jordi Delgado

Fixed, now you can submit. Sorry for the inconvenience. Bests, Jordi > > Yep, same thing here. We'd like to submit something as well. > > On 11 Aug 2012, at 05:08, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:15 AM, jdelgado <jdelgado(a)lsi.upc.edu> wrote: > > [Sorry if you receive this message more than once] > > > > ESUG 2012, 9th Innovation Technology Awards > > > > REMINDER: 4 days to deadline!! > > > > Have you written innovative Smalltalk? The developers of any Smalltalk-based > > software can enter by submitting a 3-5min video of their software. Entrants > > demo their systems in a session at the end of Monday August 27th 2012, after > > which the conference attendees vote. (A vote consists in providing a sorted > > list of 3 preferred pieces of software.) > > > > The top 3 teams with the most innovative software will receive, > > respectively, 500 Euros, 300 Euros and 200 Euros. The results are announced > > in the Awards ceremony that is held during the social event. > > > > Applicants should provide the following information on the conference > > registration server. Once you have registered your personal info, an > > 'Awards' menu allows submitting your software. > > > > Jordi, I cannot find this "Awards" menu. I only have "Proposed awards" but there I cannot submit. > > Am I the only one? > > > > You can provide this > > information when you first register, or login again later and update your > > details. The registration server will open soon. You can start preparing > > your software right now though. > > > > Info to provide: > > > > Name of the software > > Licence information (free, shareware, or commercial) > > Name of the Smalltalk dialect used > > Name, Affiliation and Country of developers > > Besides, it would be great if the submission could include: > > > > URL for a video (3-5 min) showing a screencast / demo of the software > > URL for downloading the software or at least a runnable demo > > Deadline: August 15 > > > > Any Smalltalker can apply (students, companies, ...). The presented piece of > > code/software should be written in Smalltalk or directly support Smalltalk > > (e.g. Smalltalk VM). All Smalltalk dialects are accepted. The applicant > > should be "strongly related" to the presented code, be it as an author, as > > owner of the copyright/copyleft, or as an official representative of the > > copyright/copyleft owner. > > > > Bests, > > > > Jordi > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/4-days-left-ESUG-2012-9th-Innovation-Technology-Award… > > Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > > > > > -- > > Mariano > > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Aug. 11, 2012

Re: [Esug-list] 4 days left!! - ESUG 2012 9th Innovation Technology Awards - Reminder

by Johan Fabry

Yep, same thing here. We'd like to submit something as well. On 11 Aug 2012, at 05:08, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:15 AM, jdelgado <jdelgado(a)lsi.upc.edu> wrote: > [Sorry if you receive this message more than once] > > ESUG 2012, 9th Innovation Technology Awards > > REMINDER: 4 days to deadline!! > > Have you written innovative Smalltalk? The developers of any Smalltalk-based > software can enter by submitting a 3-5min video of their software. Entrants > demo their systems in a session at the end of Monday August 27th 2012, after > which the conference attendees vote. (A vote consists in providing a sorted > list of 3 preferred pieces of software.) > > The top 3 teams with the most innovative software will receive, > respectively, 500 Euros, 300 Euros and 200 Euros. The results are announced > in the Awards ceremony that is held during the social event. > > Applicants should provide the following information on the conference > registration server. Once you have registered your personal info, an > 'Awards' menu allows submitting your software. > > Jordi, I cannot find this "Awards" menu. I only have "Proposed awards" but there I cannot submit. > Am I the only one? > > You can provide this > information when you first register, or login again later and update your > details. The registration server will open soon. You can start preparing > your software right now though. > > Info to provide: > > Name of the software > Licence information (free, shareware, or commercial) > Name of the Smalltalk dialect used > Name, Affiliation and Country of developers > Besides, it would be great if the submission could include: > > URL for a video (3-5 min) showing a screencast / demo of the software > URL for downloading the software or at least a runnable demo > Deadline: August 15 > > Any Smalltalker can apply (students, companies, ...). The presented piece of > code/software should be written in Smalltalk or directly support Smalltalk > (e.g. Smalltalk VM). All Smalltalk dialects are accepted. The applicant > should be "strongly related" to the presented code, be it as an author, as > owner of the copyright/copyleft, or as an official representative of the > copyright/copyleft owner. > > Bests, > > Jordi > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/4-days-left-ESUG-2012-9th-Innovation-Technology-Award… > Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Aug. 11, 2012