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Re: [Esug-list] It looks like Amber, it smells like Amber… But it is not Amber!

by Paolo Bonzini

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Il 16/05/2013 15:15, Nicolas Petton ha scritto: > Now maybe I'm just too stupid and I " have not reached the > understanding of Smalltalk required to adopt a POV consistent with > S8"... This certainly makes no sense, apart from the snarkiness. The text that Guido found is from http://u8.smalltalking.net/profile/aleReimondo/147/index.html, but there's no reason to believe that it extends to more than that project. The main system is at http://u8.smalltalking.net/profile/aleReimondo/239/index.html. It has a "MIT Licensed" link to the license, but it fails to list the copyright holders. The source code at http://u8.smalltalking.net/profile/smalltalking/64/u8.image.js does list copyright holders: - ------------ S8 - Basic U8 image. Copyright (C) 2013 - http://u8.smalltalking.net/u8.html Copyright (C) 2013 Alejandro F. Reimondo <aleReimondo(a)smalltalking.net> http://www.aleReimondo.com Parts of source code written for Jtalk, Copyright (C) 2011 by Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com> Also code and ideas from Clamato (http://clamato.net) written by Avi Byrant. The PetitParser library, published by Lukas Renggli (http://lukas-renggli.ch) and released under the MIT license. And people that contributed to Smalltalk on diverse media years(decades) before this license holders claimed ownership. - ------------- It would be nice if it were a bit easier to find... Paolo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRlOh7AAoJEBvWZb6bTYbygp8P/j7TFfhIBJAJQ1ZTGnMQ+WcZ J/vhEPS7dNnMTCnG6JKnrWOUo7HfgLRV/gvm5KVLxbNs5ELqwkyYVIoWZagU5PNC fmqFnIIQd5HLwK/6aF5muH15FSemACzOydcGTQ/V7KKh76E/Fno/ucLLTSsOQFbR QQn0DmZzqdHyoLz33sexn/W4j1shWXHCdJiDgneptjtw3SrPw9+sd/+/Wr9A35nC C6LyHHeXMmIyUCQKGKUVBB+ihKOrB65W6aKwki0KdY6TDS4USMlN9NgUVoV5NnYB tETs1ki8jj+F2xD9nP0bNVEjYTdHkuWIYMa4dP4xNvjiyN60HQ/p/IrRyWIcgxW+ fEcvhqxAcGVAGWzt8HfNlbtSwTkC3//FYk2MgjUcMKqrg75mRNl34FwnYwuLUv6O y8JKMBhRJQmr9f3lp/MR0wvOsC+aw5LKJWWyAgcPP1VsKtR48ilVXtT8FjWwpkDV 4VNpSYh9WacD0IqmB7++6dLb2d7ToXzaeOGhY6Vvc4kaHJnXYfLq4lVu7Tudkvbm 5upcJpSORdaES2WZ7E7OJ31HvPx+bFdbNAbI1maPiIXrwVnKjmtiRUJNgpZ7p86d jELY3agsP7wJ0MHgwzaRBmCkzmdEtyC7PvF9BxAl1yNzl/0kbB+hFPqhyzT6CPEH LtkVGNaZlt7xB3rVFiPi =rCn/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 16, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] [amber-lang] It looks like Amber, it smells like Amber… But it is not Amber!

by Nicolas Petton

Hi Guido, where did you find this? Cheers, Nico On May 16, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Guido Stepken <gstepken(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > S8 - Embedding morphic.js > Copyright (C) 2013 - http://u8.smalltalking.net/profile/aleReimondo/147/index.html > Copyright (C) 2013 Alejandro F. Reimondo http://www.aleReimondo.com > > Parts of source code written for Jtalk, Copyright (C) 2011 by Nicolas Petton > Also code and ideas from Clamato (http://clamato.net) written by Avi Byrant. > The PetitParser library, published by Lukas Renggli (http://lukas-renggli.ch) and released under the MIT license. > And people that contributed to Smalltalk on diverse media years(decades) before this license holders claimed ownership. > Am 16.05.2013 15:15 schrieb "Nicolas Petton" <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com>: > Hi! > > After looking at S8 [1], it's clear that it's a fork of Amber > [2]. While this is perfectly fine as Amber is released under MIT, I > really don't like the statements on the website about the license and > origin of the project [3]. > > S8 doesn't fulfil the MIT license as the copyright > of Amber should be clearly stated on the S8 website. > > Quoting the page: > > " > How/where S8 is different from product/project XXX ? > > S8 as result of regional scheme of concepts is unique and we don´t > know about other formulations similar to S8. It is frequently asked > if "S8 source code" is derivative work of other MIT licensed sources > (please download and read license terms if it is still your interest). > The question is incorrect (and we are free to do not answer incorrect > questions here) because it means that the person asking has not > reached the understanding of Smalltalk required to adopt a POV > consistent with S8 (Smalltalk as not a language). > " > > Moreover, I couldn't find anywhere on the website a link to such a > license or any reference to amber being the original project. > > Stating that S8 is a fork of Amber there, instead of attempting to > evade the question, would simply be fair play. As it is right now it > looks more like stealing than forking an opensource project. In the > world of opensource, I think this is really a shame :-/ > > Now maybe I'm just too stupid and I " have not reached the > understanding of Smalltalk required to adopt a POV consistent with > S8"... > > Cheers, Nico > > [1] http://u8.smalltalking.net/s8.aspx > [2] http://amber-lang.net > [3] http://u8.smalltalking.net/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to amber-lang+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- Nicolas Petton http://www.nicolas-petton.fr

May 16, 2013

It looks like Amber, it smells like Amber… But it is not Amber!

by Nicolas Petton

Hi! After looking at S8 [1], it's clear that it's a fork of Amber [2]. While this is perfectly fine as Amber is released under MIT, I really don't like the statements on the website about the license and origin of the project [3]. S8 doesn't fulfil the MIT license as the copyright of Amber should be clearly stated on the S8 website. Quoting the page: " How/where S8 is different from product/project XXX ? S8 as result of regional scheme of concepts is unique and we don´t know about other formulations similar to S8. It is frequently asked if "S8 source code" is derivative work of other MIT licensed sources (please download and read license terms if it is still your interest). The question is incorrect (and we are free to do not answer incorrect questions here) because it means that the person asking has not reached the understanding of Smalltalk required to adopt a POV consistent with S8 (Smalltalk as not a language). " Moreover, I couldn't find anywhere on the website a link to such a license or any reference to amber being the original project. Stating that S8 is a fork of Amber there, instead of attempting to evade the question, would simply be fair play. As it is right now it looks more like stealing than forking an opensource project. In the world of opensource, I think this is really a shame :-/ Now maybe I'm just too stupid and I " have not reached the understanding of Smalltalk required to adopt a POV consistent with S8"... Cheers, Nico [1] http://u8.smalltalking.net/s8.aspx [2] http://amber-lang.net [3] http://u8.smalltalking.net/

May 16, 2013

SWA Seaside Tutorial - two new chapters about testing and web feeds

by Stéphane Ducasse

Well done guys! Stef Begin forwarded message: > From: Michael Perscheid <michaelperscheid(a)googlemail.com> > Subject: [Seaside] [ANN] SWA Seaside Tutorial - two new chapters about testing and web feeds > Date: May 15, 2013 10:23:41 AM GMT+02:00 > To: Seaside - general discussion <seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > Reply-To: Seaside - general discussion <seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > > Hi all, > > once again, we updated the Seaside tutorial by the Software Architecture Group. > In this version, we added two new chapters covering the topics of testing and Web feeds. > > Please have a look at: http://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/seaside/tutorial > > I'd like to thank our students (Patrick Rein, Robin Schreiber, and Eric Seckler) > for preparing the new content. > > Best regards, > Michael > > P.S. The old link (http://www.swa.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/seaside/tutorial) is temporarily > broken due to an internal error. We are working on a solution. > > --- > Michael Perscheid > michaelperscheid(a)googlemail.com > > http://www.michaelperscheid.de/ > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >

May 15, 2013

Web with Pharo Conference 6 June 2013 @ Lille

by Stéphane Ducasse

Please distribute widely We are organizing a conference around the web and pharo the 6 June 2013 at http://www.euratechnologies.com https://www.inria.fr/centre/lille/agenda/web-3.0-avec-pharo Great speakers (J. Brichau from Yesplan, N. Petton from Amber and objectfusion, N Hartl from 2Denker,...) will present their business and products as well as some of the technology they use. Do not miss this key event. Please help us to make some buzz. https://www.facebook.com/events/534073843317751/ register at: http://bit.ly/16ahf7f Stef

May 15, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] first MOOC about OOP with Smalltalk and Seaside?

by Johannes Brauer

Am 06.05.2013 um 20:09 schrieb Joseph Pelrine <jplists(a)metaprog.com> : > Interessant, aber ich finde es vollkommen daneben, dass man sich da irgendwo registrieren muss, um abstimmen zu dürfen. Meine Stimme, und meine Unterstützung, habt Ihr nicht :-( kann ich durchaus nachvollziehen, die Art des Abstimmungsverfahrens finde ich auch nicht gut. Aber der Stifterverband hat das so vorgegeben, die Bewerber, wie ich, hatten darauf keinen Einfluss. Gruß Johannes > On 04.05.13 17:29, Johannes Brauer wrote: >> Dear Smalltalkers! >> >> There is an initiative for funding the development of massive open online courses (moocs) by the "Stifterverband für die deutsche Wissenschaft"" (http://www.stifterverband.info/ueber_den_stifterverband/english/index.html) >> You can get information about a running competition (MOOC PRODUCTION FELLOWSHIP) here: https://moocfellowship.org. >> Following the link https://moocfellowship.org/submissions/objektorientierte-programmierung-von… >> YOU CAN VOTE for the course offered by me resp. the NORDAKADEMIE (www.nordakademie.de) For voting you have to register by Facebook or email only. >> >> The MOOC we want to build will be based on a blended learning course we have been pursuing as a first year programming course under the headline "object oriented development of web applications" since a couple of years. During this class the students learn object oriented programming from the beginning using Smalltalk and Seaside. >> >> Since the material of our blended learning course is in German the first version of the projected MOOC will be in German, too. Getting one of the awards should offer the possibility to build an English version later on. >> >> I would be delighted if you could adjust our Smalltalk-MOOC project by voting for the course >> >> https://moocfellowship.org/submissions/objektorientierte-programmierung-von… >> >> Thank you very much >> >> Johannes Brauer >> >> Prof. Dr.-Ing. Johannes Brauer >> Dean of Computer Science Departement >> Tel.: 04121 409030 >> Fax.: 04121 409040 >> e-mail: brauer(a)nordakademie.de >> e-mal priv.: brauer(a)acm.org >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> Staatlich anerkannte private Fachhochschule >> NORDAKADEMIE >> Gemeinnützige Aktiengesellschaft >> Köllner Chaussee 11 >> 25337 Elmshorn >> >> Vorstand: >> Prof. Dr. Georg Plate (Vorsitzender), Dipl.-Ing. Jörg Meier (stellv. Vorstand) >> >> Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: >> Dr. h.c. Hans-Heinrich Bruns >> >> Sitz: >> Elmshorn, Amtsgericht Pinneberg, HRB 1682 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> > > -- > Joseph Pelrine [ | ] > MetaProg GmbH > Email: jpelrine(a)metaprog.com > Web: http://www.metaprog.com > > As soon as you introduce people, things become complex. > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org ________________________________ Staatlich anerkannte private Fachhochschule NORDAKADEMIE Gemeinnützige Aktiengesellschaft Köllner Chaussee 11 25337 Elmshorn Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Georg Plate (Vorsitzender), Dipl.-Ing. Jörg Meier (stellv. Vorstand) Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Dr. h.c. Hans-Heinrich Bruns Sitz: Elmshorn, Amtsgericht Pinneberg, HRB 1682

May 6, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] first MOOC about OOP with Smalltalk and Seaside?

by Joseph Pelrine

Interessant, aber ich finde es vollkommen daneben, dass man sich da irgendwo registrieren muss, um abstimmen zu dürfen. Meine Stimme, und meine Unterstutzung, habt Ihr nicht :-( Gruss Joseph On 04.05.13 17:29, Johannes Brauer wrote: > Dear Smalltalkers! > > There is an initiative for funding the development of massive open online courses (moocs) by the "Stifterverband für die deutsche Wissenschaft"" (http://www.stifterverband.info/ueber_den_stifterverband/english/index.html) > You can get information about a running competition (MOOC PRODUCTION FELLOWSHIP) here: https://moocfellowship.org. > Following the link https://moocfellowship.org/submissions/objektorientierte-programmierung-von… > YOU CAN VOTE for the course offered by me resp. the NORDAKADEMIE (www.nordakademie.de) For voting you have to register by Facebook or email only. > > The MOOC we want to build will be based on a blended learning course we have been pursuing as a first year programming course under the headline "object oriented development of web applications" since a couple of years. During this class the students learn object oriented programming from the beginning using Smalltalk and Seaside. > > Since the material of our blended learning course is in German the first version of the projected MOOC will be in German, too. Getting one of the awards should offer the possibility to build an English version later on. > > I would be delighted if you could adjust our Smalltalk-MOOC project by voting for the course > > https://moocfellowship.org/submissions/objektorientierte-programmierung-von… > > Thank you very much > > Johannes Brauer > > Prof. Dr.-Ing. Johannes Brauer > Dean of Computer Science Departement > Tel.: 04121 409030 > Fax.: 04121 409040 > e-mail: brauer(a)nordakademie.de > e-mal priv.: brauer(a)acm.org > > > ________________________________ > > > Staatlich anerkannte private Fachhochschule > NORDAKADEMIE > Gemeinnützige Aktiengesellschaft > Köllner Chaussee 11 > 25337 Elmshorn > > Vorstand: > Prof. Dr. Georg Plate (Vorsitzender), Dipl.-Ing. Jörg Meier (stellv. Vorstand) > > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: > Dr. h.c. Hans-Heinrich Bruns > > Sitz: > Elmshorn, Amtsgericht Pinneberg, HRB 1682 > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > -- Joseph Pelrine [ | ] MetaProg GmbH Email: jpelrine(a)metaprog.com Web: http://www.metaprog.com As soon as you introduce people, things become complex.

May 6, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] first MOOC about OOP with Smalltalk and Seaside?

by Johannes Brauer

Am 05.05.2013 um 21:38 schrieb Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com>: > On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Johannes Brauer <brauer(a)nordakademie.de> wrote: >> Dear Smalltalkers! >> >> There is an initiative for funding the development of massive open online courses (moocs) by the "Stifterverband für die deutsche Wissenschaft"" (http://www.stifterverband.info/ueber_den_stifterverband/english/index.html) >> You can get information about a running competition (MOOC PRODUCTION FELLOWSHIP) here: https://moocfellowship.org. >> Following the link https://moocfellowship.org/submissions/objektorientierte-programmierung-von… >> YOU CAN VOTE for the course offered by me resp. the NORDAKADEMIE (www.nordakademie.de) For voting you have to register by Facebook or email only. >> >> The MOOC we want to build will be based on a blended learning course we have been pursuing as a first year programming course under the headline "object oriented development of web applications" since a couple of years. During this class the students learn object oriented programming from the beginning using Smalltalk and Seaside. >> >> Since the material of our blended learning course is in German the first version of the projected MOOC will be in German, too. Getting one of the awards should offer the possibility to build an English version later on. >> >> I would be delighted if you could adjust our Smalltalk-MOOC project by voting for the course >> >> https://moocfellowship.org/submissions/objektorientierte-programmierung-von… > > Interesting ! > > Do you plan to use Seaside for implementing your MOOC ? > > Maybe you should ask ESUG for some support for your work. Johannes Brauer ________________________________ Staatlich anerkannte private Fachhochschule NORDAKADEMIE Gemeinnützige Aktiengesellschaft Köllner Chaussee 11 25337 Elmshorn Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Georg Plate (Vorsitzender), Dipl.-Ing. Jörg Meier (stellv. Vorstand) Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Dr. h.c. Hans-Heinrich Bruns Sitz: Elmshorn, Amtsgericht Pinneberg, HRB 1682

May 6, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] [ANN] GemStone/S product and team move to adedicated company

by Nowak, Helge

Congratulations! And good success! Helge -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Esug-list [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] Im Auftrag von Dale Henrichs Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Mai 2013 21:27 An: esug-list(a)lists.esug.org list Cc: dale henrichs Betreff: [Esug-list] [ANN] GemStone/S product and team move to adedicated company If you haven't already heard, the GemStone/S team is becoming an independent company after 3 years as part of VMware. The entire engineering team is moving to GemTalk Systems[1]. GemTalk Systems is completely focused on Smalltalk, GemStone/S and allied initiatives. I've published a blog post[2] with my take on the acquisition (short answer is "excited!"), if you have any additional questions, feel free to contact me. Dale [1] http://gemtalksystems.com/index.php/about-us/engineers/ [2] http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/gemtalk-systems-acquires-gemst… _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

May 6, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] first MOOC about OOP with Smalltalk and Seaside?

by Serge Stinckwich

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Johannes Brauer <brauer(a)nordakademie.de> wrote: > Dear Smalltalkers! > > There is an initiative for funding the development of massive open online courses (moocs) by the "Stifterverband für die deutsche Wissenschaft"" (http://www.stifterverband.info/ueber_den_stifterverband/english/index.html) > You can get information about a running competition (MOOC PRODUCTION FELLOWSHIP) here: https://moocfellowship.org. > Following the link https://moocfellowship.org/submissions/objektorientierte-programmierung-von… > YOU CAN VOTE for the course offered by me resp. the NORDAKADEMIE (www.nordakademie.de) For voting you have to register by Facebook or email only. > > The MOOC we want to build will be based on a blended learning course we have been pursuing as a first year programming course under the headline "object oriented development of web applications" since a couple of years. During this class the students learn object oriented programming from the beginning using Smalltalk and Seaside. > > Since the material of our blended learning course is in German the first version of the projected MOOC will be in German, too. Getting one of the awards should offer the possibility to build an English version later on. > > I would be delighted if you could adjust our Smalltalk-MOOC project by voting for the course > > https://moocfellowship.org/submissions/objektorientierte-programmierung-von… Interesting ! Do you plan to use Seaside for implementing your MOOC ? Maybe you should ask ESUG for some support for your work. Regards, -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

May 5, 2013