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Exact venue of ESUG conference

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

Hi, am I assuming right that the ESUG conference will be held at this address: 9 Rue de l'Arc en Ciel, 74940 Annecy-le-Vieux, France Or is the exact location somewhere else? It is not mentioned on the ESUG conference site... Joachim

July 25, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] About Sport licenses

by Frank Shearar

On 23 July 2013 13:14, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: > Hi guys, > > I hope we all agree now for MIT so I just changed Sport license on > SqueakSource to MIT, so that now on both SqueakSource and SmalltalkHub > Sport is MIT licensed: > > http://www.squeaksource.com/SPort.html > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Sport/Sport If I understand correctly, this might be a bit premature. I had to fill in a paper form declaring my agreement to the relicencing of Squeak, and I'm pretty sure Pharo had to do the same (because I had to fill in a similar form for Pharo). As I understand it, the Sport port folks need to compile a list of every contributor and get each contributor to formally agree to the relicencing. frank > Note than there is only one Sport for both Squeak and Pharo and probably > Cuis as well. > > Best regards > Janko > > Dne 18. 07. 2013 16:05, piše Stéphane Ducasse: >> thanks Janko :) >> >> >> On Jul 18, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: >> >>> Hi Stef, >>> >>> I as a porter od Sport to Squeak/Pharo am all for Sport to be MIT >>> licensed. As I understand past conversations with Bruce the dialect >>> porter/maintainer approval is then a satisfying condition for Sport on >>> Squeak/Pharo to be MIT licensed. >>> >>> Best regards >>> Janko >>> >>> Dne 18. 07. 2013 12:19, piše Stéphane Ducasse: >>>> Hi Sport contributors >>>> >>>> Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a >>>> Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because >>>> it uses Sport and Sport is licensed under >>>> LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce >>>> if Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his >>>> answer: >>>> >>>>> Steph, >>>>> >>>>> We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in >>>>> principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects >>>>> was written by different people. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. >>>>> >>>> So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we >>>> can get a dual license LGPL/MIT. >>>> >>>> And yes I'm nervous about mixing licenses in an image-based system that >>>> a infinite minority >>>> of programmers understand or even know. >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Esug-list mailing list >>>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Janko Mivšek >>> Aida/Web >>> Smalltalk Web Application Server >>> http://www.aidaweb.si >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> > > -- > Janko Mivšek > Svetovalec za informatiko > Eranova d.o.o. > Ljubljana, Slovenija > www.eranova.si > tel: 01 514 22 55 > faks: 01 514 22 56 > gsm: 031 674 565 > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

July 23, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] About Sport licenses

by Janko Mivšek

Hi guys, I hope we all agree now for MIT so I just changed Sport license on SqueakSource to MIT, so that now on both SqueakSource and SmalltalkHub Sport is MIT licensed: http://www.squeaksource.com/SPort.html http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Sport/Sport Note than there is only one Sport for both Squeak and Pharo and probably Cuis as well. Best regards Janko Dne 18. 07. 2013 16:05, piše Stéphane Ducasse: > thanks Janko :) > > > On Jul 18, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: > >> Hi Stef, >> >> I as a porter od Sport to Squeak/Pharo am all for Sport to be MIT >> licensed. As I understand past conversations with Bruce the dialect >> porter/maintainer approval is then a satisfying condition for Sport on >> Squeak/Pharo to be MIT licensed. >> >> Best regards >> Janko >> >> Dne 18. 07. 2013 12:19, piše Stéphane Ducasse: >>> Hi Sport contributors >>> >>> Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a >>> Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because >>> it uses Sport and Sport is licensed under >>> LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce >>> if Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his >>> answer: >>> >>>> Steph, >>>> >>>> We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in >>>> principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects >>>> was written by different people. >>>> >>>> Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. >>>> >>> So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we >>> can get a dual license LGPL/MIT. >>> >>> And yes I'm nervous about mixing licenses in an image-based system that >>> a infinite minority >>> of programmers understand or even know. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>> >> >> -- >> Janko Mivšek >> Aida/Web >> Smalltalk Web Application Server >> http://www.aidaweb.si >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > -- Janko Mivšek Svetovalec za informatiko Eranova d.o.o. Ljubljana, Slovenija www.eranova.si tel: 01 514 22 55 faks: 01 514 22 56 gsm: 031 674 565

July 23, 2013

ESUG 2013 registration is open

by stephane ducasse

Hi guys Sorry for the delay, the registration for the 2013 ESUG conference is now open. Pay attention that the early bird registration is until 10 th of August. http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2013/Conference-Registration In addition this year, there will be no warranty for social event or goody for people registrering on site. Stef and the ESUG board

July 21, 2013

ESUG 2013 registration is open

by Stéphane Ducasse

Hi guys Sorry for the delay, the registration for the 2013 ESUG conference is now open. Pay attention that the early bird registration is until 10 th of August. http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2013/Conference-Registration In addition this year, there will be no warranty for social event or goody for people registrering on site. Stef and the ESUG board

July 21, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] Camp Smalltalk ESUG 2013

by Niall Ross

Dear Damien, > Camp Smalltalk is on 8 of September. Thanks for this confirmation of the web page; I was about to email to check it was definitely just the Sunday plus the conference, not the Saturday as well. I'll arrange my travel accordingly. Yours faithfully Niall Ross Damien Cassou wrote: >On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > >>When and where is it? The conference site says the page is forbidden and I >>can't seem to log in... >> >> > > >the page is not created yet. Camp Smalltalk is on 8 of September. > >-- >Damien Cassou >http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > >"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >losing enthusiasm." >Winston Churchill > >_______________________________________________ >Esug-list mailing list >Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > >

July 20, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] About Sport licenses

by Dale K. Henrichs

July 20, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] About Sport licenses

by Bruce Badger

Dale, I think that would be fine too. One of the aims of Sport is to be the ubiquitous surrogate for missing standardisation between dialects, and MIT does appear to be a better licensee if the objective is ubiquity. I think I'm the only author of the GemStone port, but perhaps you know of others and perhaps you've added some bits too? :-) So if you are sure that you know all contributors to GemStone Sport then we can say that it will join the Pharo port under the MIT license. The agreed forum for Sport was c.l.s so we should announce any proposed license changes there too. Bruce On 20 July 2013 12:39, Dale K. Henrichs <dale.henrichs(a)gemtalksystems.com>wrote: > Bruce, > > How about MIT for the GemStone implementation? > > Dale > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Bruce Badger" <bwbadger(a)gmail.com> > *To: *"Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > *Cc: *"esug-list(a)lists.esug.org Members" <esug-list(a)lists.esug.org> > *Sent: *Saturday, July 20, 2013 1:08:07 AM > *Subject: *Re: [Esug-list] About Sport licenses > > > Yes indeed. Looking at the thread I think everyone is happy with MIT so I > would suggest going with just that for the Pharo implementation of Sport > rather than using a dual license. > > Bruce > > > On 20 July 2013 08:13, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Thanks you all. >> This is excellent so I think that Sport can be relicensed and this is a >> good news. >> >> Stef >> >> On Jul 18, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Philippe Marschall < >> philippe.marschall(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Stéphane Ducasse >> > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> Hi Sport contributors >> >> >> >> Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a >> >> Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is >> because it >> >> uses Sport and Sport is licensed under >> >> LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked >> Bruce if >> >> Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his >> >> answer: >> >> >> >> Steph, >> >> >> >> We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in >> >> principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects >> was >> >> written by different people. >> >> >> >> Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. >> >> >> >> So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we >> can >> >> get a dual license LGPL/MIT. >> > >> > Should I ever have contributed I agree to dual- or relicensing. >> > >> > Cheers >> > Philippe >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Esug-list mailing list >> > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> > > > > -- > Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills > http://www.openskills.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/

July 20, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] About Sport licenses

by Dale K. Henrichs

July 20, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] About Sport licenses

by Bruce Badger

> why is there the sub-phrase “just that for the Pharo implementation”? To be clear On 20 July 2013 11:43, Georg Heeg <georg(a)heeg.de> wrote: > Bruce,**** > > ** ** > > You write: “everyone is happy with MIT so I would suggest going with just > that for the Pharo implementation of Sport”. This is the ESUG mailing list > where Smalltalk Users of all dialects are participating. Thus I ask why is > there the sub-phrase “just that for the Pharo implementation”? What is with > all the other implementations? E.g. VisualWorks where the copyright says: > “©Bruce Badger 2004, 2005, 2006. Licensed under the LGPL.”**** > > ** ** > > Georg**** > > ** ** > > Georg Heeg eK, Dortmund und Köthen, HR Dortmund A 12812**** > > Wallstraße 22, 06366 Köthen**** > > Tel. +49-3496-214328, Fax +49-3496-214712**** > > ** ** > > *Von:* Esug-list [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] *Im Auftrag > von *Bruce Badger > *Gesendet:* Samstag, 20. Juli 2013 10:08 > *An:* Stéphane Ducasse > *Cc:* esug-list(a)lists.esug.org Members > *Betreff:* Re: [Esug-list] About Sport licenses**** > > ** ** > > Yes indeed. Looking at the thread I think everyone is happy with MIT so I > would suggest going with just that for the Pharo implementation of Sport > rather than using a dual license.**** > > ** ** > > Bruce**** > > ** ** > > On 20 July 2013 08:13, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > **** > > Thanks you all. > This is excellent so I think that Sport can be relicensed and this is a > good news. > > Stef**** > > > On Jul 18, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Philippe Marschall < > philippe.marschall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Stéphane Ducasse > > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Hi Sport contributors > >> > >> Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a > >> Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is > because it > >> uses Sport and Sport is licensed under > >> LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked > Bruce if > >> Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his > >> answer: > >> > >> Steph, > >> > >> We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in > >> principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects > was > >> written by different people. > >> > >> Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. > >> > >> So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we > can > >> get a dual license LGPL/MIT. > > > > Should I ever have contributed I agree to dual- or relicensing. > > > > Cheers > > Philippe > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org**** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- > Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills > http://www.openskills.org/ **** > -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/

July 20, 2013