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Re: [Esug-list] How a short trip to Python-land taught me why Smalltalk is hard

by Sean P. DeNigris

jgfoster wrote > My goal for ESUG is to present some of lessons and offer some on-line > resources that make Smalltalk a bit more approachable Cool! Looking forward to it :) ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/ESUG-f1589038.html

July 10, 2018

Re: [Esug-list] How a short trip to Python-land taught me why Smalltalk is hard

by Stéphane Ducasse

So what do you do to improve the situation of our community? I mean do you think documentation autowrite itself? Did you write something that others can use? You see from time to time I would love to read docs that I did not write. If people would follow sven excellent practices our framework would be a lot better documented. Stef > On 6 Jul 2018, at 15:36, jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de wrote: > > I am not actually a Smalltalk newbie, but still find it sometomes hard to get into areas I've never touched before. For some stuff that was related mostly to problems with encoding and decoding between utf-8 and utf-85 on both Windows and Linux and strange differences between these platforms, I thought I'd use something that peopl "out there" use daily. > > I chose python. I had never written anything in Python before, but it was easy to stipple together a few working programs. It took me just a few hours to find out about Skyper and some important language constructs and stuff. It was a pleasant journey for two reasons: > > No need to learn any tools. Just an editor and a command line and you're on yur journey > You find lots of documentation and examples on the web. It feels like VB in the days: type a few keywords into your web browser and copy the sources for a 70% solution of your problem > Back when I was young and cared for whether my preferred language was popular or not, I would be depressed by the experience. Remember, I tried Python because things were hard in Smalltalk. > > > So spot the message here... ;-) > > > Joachim > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://www.synectique.eu / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Julie Jonas FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

July 9, 2018

Re: [Esug-list] How a short trip to Python-land taught me why Smalltalk is hard

by James Foster

Although I too would much prefer to work in Smalltalk, extenuating circumstances pushed me into C++ and Python during the first half of this year. Much of my experience reinforced my bias toward Smalltalk, but I did find some aspects of the tools to be attractive. My goal for ESUG is to present some of lessons and offer some on-line resources that make Smalltalk a bit more approachable. In particular, I’m looking at Ace, a web-based code editor used in Cloud 9 (https://ace.c9.io/ <https://ace.c9.io/>) and the Jupyter notebook (http://jupyter.org/ <http://jupyter.org/>). Cheers! James Foster > On Jul 6, 2018, at 6:36 AM, jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de wrote: > > I am not actually a Smalltalk newbie, but still find it sometomes hard to get into areas I've never touched before. For some stuff that was related mostly to problems with encoding and decoding between utf-8 and utf-85 on both Windows and Linux and strange differences between these platforms, I thought I'd use something that peopl "out there" use daily. > > I chose python. I had never written anything in Python before, but it was easy to stipple together a few working programs. It took me just a few hours to find out about Skyper and some important language constructs and stuff. It was a pleasant journey for two reasons: > > No need to learn any tools. Just an editor and a command line and you're on yur journey > You find lots of documentation and examples on the web. It feels like VB in the days: type a few keywords into your web browser and copy the sources for a 70% solution of your problem > Back when I was young and cared for whether my preferred language was popular or not, I would be depressed by the experience. Remember, I tried Python because things were hard in Smalltalk. > > > So spot the message here... ;-) > > > Joachim > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

July 6, 2018

How a short trip to Python-land taught me why Smalltalk is hard

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

I am not actually a Smalltalk newbie, but still find it sometomes hard to get into areas I've never touched before. For some stuff that was related mostly to problems with encoding and decoding between utf-8 and utf-85 on both Windows and Linux and strange differences between these platforms, I thought I'd use something that peopl "out there" use daily. I chose python. I had never written anything in Python before, but it was easy to stipple together a few working programs. It took me just a few hours to find out about Skyper and some important language constructs and stuff. It was a pleasant journey for two reasons: * No need to learn any tools. Just an editor and a command line and you're on yur journey * You find lots of documentation and examples on the web. It feels like VB in the days: type a few keywords into your web browser and copy the sources for a 70% solution of your problem Back when I was young and cared for whether my preferred language was popular or not, I would be depressed by the experience. Remember, I tried Python because things were hard in Smalltalk. So spot the message here... ;-) Joachim

July 6, 2018

Re: [Esug-list] ESUG 2018 accomodation

by Piotr Palacz

Christian, You want to consider Airbnb.com. I booked with them few months ago. HTH, Piotr On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 7:51 AM Giovanni Corriga <giovanni(a)corriga.net> wrote: > Hi all, > > We will publish a list shortly. If you are in a hurry, please send me an > email. > > Cheers, > > Giovanni > > Il giorno gio 5 lug 2018 alle 14:22 Christian Haider < > christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> ha scritto: > >> Hi Smalltalkers, >> >> >> >> I am planning my ESUG trip and wonder which hotel I should choose. >> >> >> >> Unfortunately, this time there is no list of accommodations on the >> conference page. >> >> Therefore I am asking you: >> >> Where are you staying? Which place would you recommend in Cagliari? >> >> >> >> Thanks and have a nice summer time, >> >> Christian >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >

July 5, 2018

Re: [Esug-list] ESUG 2018 accomodation

by Stéphane Ducasse

You can issue Pull request and we can merge and the web site will be updated automatically. on github/esugio S. > On 5 Jul 2018, at 16:50, Giovanni Corriga <giovanni(a)corriga.net> wrote: > > Hi all, > > We will publish a list shortly. If you are in a hurry, please send me an email. > > Cheers, > > Giovanni > > Il giorno gio 5 lug 2018 alle 14:22 Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com <mailto:christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com>> ha scritto: > Hi Smalltalkers, > > > > I am planning my ESUG trip and wonder which hotel I should choose. > > > > Unfortunately, this time there is no list of accommodations on the conference page. > > Therefore I am asking you: > > Where are you staying? Which place would you recommend in Cagliari? > > > > Thanks and have a nice summer time, > > Christian > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org <http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org> > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://www.synectique.eu / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Julie Jonas FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

July 5, 2018

Re: [Esug-list] ESUG 2018 accomodation

by Giovanni Corriga

Hi all, We will publish a list shortly. If you are in a hurry, please send me an email. Cheers, Giovanni Il giorno gio 5 lug 2018 alle 14:22 Christian Haider < christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> ha scritto: > Hi Smalltalkers, > > > > I am planning my ESUG trip and wonder which hotel I should choose. > > > > Unfortunately, this time there is no list of accommodations on the > conference page. > > Therefore I am asking you: > > Where are you staying? Which place would you recommend in Cagliari? > > > > Thanks and have a nice summer time, > > Christian > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >

July 5, 2018

ESUG 2018 accomodation

by Christian Haider

Hi Smalltalkers, I am planning my ESUG trip and wonder which hotel I should choose. Unfortunately, this time there is no list of accommodations on the conference page. Therefore I am asking you: Where are you staying? Which place would you recommend in Cagliari? Thanks and have a nice summer time, Christian

July 5, 2018

[ANN] Smalltalk/X jv-branch 8.0.0

by Jan Vrany

Hi there, after so long I'm finally happy to announce Smalltalk/X jv-branch 8.0.0. You may find it at: https://swing.fit.cvut.cz/download/smalltalkx/8.0.0/ This is mostly runtime (VM) stabilization and cleanup release, but also contains important improvements. You may find a list of most important changes at: https://swing.fit.cvut.cz/projects/stx-jv/wiki/WhatsNew-8.0.0 Best, Jan

July 3, 2018