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Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL

by Joseph Pelrine

Hi Markus, On 26.11.15 13:46, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> On 26 Nov 2015, at 09:14, Alexandre Bergel <abergel(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: >> >> Hi Christian, >> >> I understand your frustration. However this is how it work as soon as one wish to publish to a wide audience. Unfortunately, there is not much we can do in that respect. >> > > This is the current “System” of research… of course the Authors nor the universities that payed a salary for doing the research > will get any money… just the leeches that did *nothing*. +10000. The reviewers also don't get any money, and since most journals are digital and have no print costs, it's even more upsetting. Best -- Joseph Pelrine [ | ] MetaProg GmbH Email: jpelrine(a)metaprog.com Web: http://www.metaprog.com As soon as you introduce people, things become complex.

Nov. 26, 2015

Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL

by Ralph Johnson

In fact, ACM is easier to deal with than you might think. If you are just putting a proceedings into the DL, and not making a print version of it, you can ask them to allow copyright to stay with the authors. We did this for the PLoP series of conferences. -Ralph Johnson On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > On 26 Nov 2015, at 09:14, Alexandre Bergel <abergel(a)dcc.uchile.cl> > wrote: > > > > Hi Christian, > > > > I understand your frustration. However this is how it work as soon as > one wish to publish to a wide audience. Unfortunately, there is not much we > can do in that respect. > > > > This is the current “System” of research… of course the Authors nor the > universities that payed a salary for doing the research > will get any money… just the leeches that did *nothing*. It is a truly > shitty system and worthy to be fought against, but this is > hard if you ever want to get a job or graduate. But there are activities > against it… progress is slow… but e.g. ECOOP left all > this and the publications are now online for free. > > So what people do to make it less of a problem is that they publish a > “preprint” that is free to download. Preprints are > on the websites of the authors (of they care) or in the central archive of > the institution (if it cares). > > Inria (where I work) got so far that as of 2 years ago, publication that > are not available for free on https://hal.inria.fr do not counted for > any Inria internal metric. As far as Inria is concerned, they do not > exist. E.g we are not allowed to put it in official reports or claim > them when applying for internal promotion. > > As for IWST: there is a link here: > http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2015/International-Workshop-IWST_… > (I will upload them to http://www.esug.org/data/ESUG2015/ later today) > > Marcus > > > > . > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >

Nov. 26, 2015

Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL

by Marcus Denker

> > As for IWST: there is a link here: http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2015/International-Workshop-IWST_… > (I will upload them to http://www.esug.org/data/ESUG2015/ later today) I added them to: http://www.esug.org/data/ESUG2015/IWST/ Marcus

Nov. 26, 2015

Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL

by Marcus Denker

> On 26 Nov 2015, at 09:14, Alexandre Bergel <abergel(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > Hi Christian, > > I understand your frustration. However this is how it work as soon as one wish to publish to a wide audience. Unfortunately, there is not much we can do in that respect. > This is the current “System” of research… of course the Authors nor the universities that payed a salary for doing the research will get any money… just the leeches that did *nothing*. It is a truly shitty system and worthy to be fought against, but this is hard if you ever want to get a job or graduate. But there are activities against it… progress is slow… but e.g. ECOOP left all this and the publications are now online for free. So what people do to make it less of a problem is that they publish a “preprint” that is free to download. Preprints are on the websites of the authors (of they care) or in the central archive of the institution (if it cares). Inria (where I work) got so far that as of 2 years ago, publication that are not available for free on https://hal.inria.fr do not counted for any Inria internal metric. As far as Inria is concerned, they do not exist. E.g we are not allowed to put it in official reports or claim them when applying for internal promotion. As for IWST: there is a link here: http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2015/International-Workshop-IWST_… (I will upload them to http://www.esug.org/data/ESUG2015/ later today) Marcus .

Nov. 26, 2015

Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi Christian, I understand your frustration. However this is how it work as soon as one wish to publish to a wide audience. Unfortunately, there is not much we can do in that respect. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On Nov 26, 2015, at 5:38 AM, Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> wrote: > > It is a shame that we have to pay to get the articles! > Is there a place where we can access the drafts? > > Bad system. > > Best, > Christian > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Esug-list [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] Im Auftrag von >> jannik laval >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. November 2015 20:44 >> An: esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> Betreff: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL >> >> Dear all, >> >> We are pleased to announce that proceedings of IWST'15 are available >> online. >> You can view the proceedings material using the following URL: >> http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2811237. >> >> Best regards >> Anne & Jannik >> >> -- >> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> Enseignant-chercheur >> IUT Lumière, Université Lyon Lumière >> laboratoire DISP >> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> http://www.phratch.com >> http://www.approchealpes.info >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Nov. 26, 2015

Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL

by David Mason

Thanks to Jannik, Anne and the rest of the PC for all their great work! ../Dave On 25 November 2015 at 14:44, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > We are pleased to announce that proceedings of IWST'15 are available > online. > You can view the proceedings material using the following URL: > http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2811237. > > Best regards > Anne & Jannik > > -- > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > Enseignant-chercheur > IUT Lumière, Université Lyon Lumière > laboratoire DISP > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > http://www.phratch.com > http://www.approchealpes.info > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >

Nov. 26, 2015

Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL

by jannik laval

Hi Christian, Yes, the papers are available on edug 2015 webpage. Best regards, Jannik Le 26 nov. 2015 9:40 AM, "Christian Haider" < christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> a écrit : > It is a shame that we have to pay to get the articles! > Is there a place where we can access the drafts? > > Bad system. > > Best, > Christian > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Esug-list [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] Im Auftrag von > > jannik laval > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. November 2015 20:44 > > An: esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > Betreff: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL > > > > Dear all, > > > > We are pleased to announce that proceedings of IWST'15 are available > > online. > > You can view the proceedings material using the following URL: > > http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2811237. > > > > Best regards > > Anne & Jannik > > > > -- > > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > > Enseignant-chercheur > > IUT Lumière, Université Lyon Lumière > > laboratoire DISP > > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > > http://www.phratch.com > > http://www.approchealpes.info > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >

Nov. 26, 2015

Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL

by Christian Haider

It is a shame that we have to pay to get the articles! Is there a place where we can access the drafts? Bad system. Best, Christian > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Esug-list [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] Im Auftrag von > jannik laval > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. November 2015 20:44 > An: esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > Betreff: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL > > Dear all, > > We are pleased to announce that proceedings of IWST'15 are available > online. > You can view the proceedings material using the following URL: > http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2811237. > > Best regards > Anne & Jannik > > -- > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > Enseignant-chercheur > IUT Lumière, Université Lyon Lumière > laboratoire DISP > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > http://www.phratch.com > http://www.approchealpes.info > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Nov. 26, 2015

Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL

by Serge Stinckwich

Great work ! Thank you Anne & Jannik On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 8:44 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > We are pleased to announce that proceedings of IWST'15 are available online. > You can view the proceedings material using the following URL: > http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2811237. > > Best regards > Anne & Jannik > > -- > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > Enseignant-chercheur > IUT Lumière, Université Lyon Lumière > laboratoire DISP > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > http://www.phratch.com > http://www.approchealpes.info > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

Nov. 26, 2015

IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL

by jannik laval

Dear all, We are pleased to announce that proceedings of IWST'15 are available online. You can view the proceedings material using the following URL: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2811237. Best regards Anne & Jannik -- ~~Jannik Laval~~ Enseignant-chercheur IUT Lumière, Université Lyon Lumière laboratoire DISP http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://www.approchealpes.info

Nov. 25, 2015