August 2014 - Esug-list - lists.esug.org

Re: [Esug-list] Thank you

by Tudor Girba

:) Doru On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Andres Valloud < avalloud(a)smalltalk.comcastbiz.net> wrote: > Correct! LOL > > > On 8/28/14 5:06 , Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> Yes, ESUG bolstered me with lots of positive charge.. >> now i need to spend it wisely :) >> >> >> On 27 August 2014 23:00, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr >> <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> wrote: >> >> thanks Holger >> ESUG is always a challenge :) >> And this is a nice place to get energy about Smalltalk :) >> >> >> > Hello, >> > >> > kudos to the organizers & participants of this greate event, I >> enjoyed my >> > first ESUG a lot. >> > Lots of interesting stuff from the past, present and future. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Thank-you-tp4774836.html >> > Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Esug-list mailing list >> > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> >> >> > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> >> >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 31, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Thank you

by Andres Valloud

Correct! LOL On 8/28/14 5:06 , Igor Stasenko wrote: > Yes, ESUG bolstered me with lots of positive charge.. > now i need to spend it wisely :) > > > On 27 August 2014 23:00, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> wrote: > > thanks Holger > ESUG is always a challenge :) > And this is a nice place to get energy about Smalltalk :) > > > > Hello, > > > > kudos to the organizers & participants of this greate event, I > enjoyed my > > first ESUG a lot. > > Lots of interesting stuff from the past, present and future. > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Thank-you-tp4774836.html > > Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >

Aug. 30, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] ESUG 2014 Slides: first batch in the Archive

by Marcus Denker

On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:49, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > All Slides that where given to the Student Volunteers are now in the archive: > > http://esug.org/data/ESUG2014/ > All slides I have are now on Slideshare: http://www.slideshare.net/esug/presentations Marcus

Aug. 29, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Thank you

by Luc Fabresse

2014-08-28 14:06 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: > Yes, ESUG bolstered me with lots of positive charge.. > now i need to spend it wisely :) > I really like these kind of messages. Thank you all. It makes me feel that all the organization energy has not been lost ;-) Luc > > > On 27 August 2014 23:00, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > >> thanks Holger >> ESUG is always a challenge :) >> And this is a nice place to get energy about Smalltalk :) >> >> >> > Hello, >> > >> > kudos to the organizers & participants of this greate event, I enjoyed >> my >> > first ESUG a lot. >> > Lots of interesting stuff from the past, present and future. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Thank-you-tp4774836.html >> > Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Esug-list mailing list >> > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >

Aug. 28, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Thank you

by Igor Stasenko

Yes, ESUG bolstered me with lots of positive charge.. now i need to spend it wisely :) On 27 August 2014 23:00, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > thanks Holger > ESUG is always a challenge :) > And this is a nice place to get energy about Smalltalk :) > > > > Hello, > > > > kudos to the organizers & participants of this greate event, I enjoyed my > > first ESUG a lot. > > Lots of interesting stuff from the past, present and future. > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Thank-you-tp4774836.html > > Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Aug. 28, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] [ESUG-Offtopic] Looking for a Smalltalk job

by Santiago Bragagnolo

jaajajaja. Ok I will add it :) 2014-08-27 23:01 GMT+02:00 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > You should mention in your cv that you have an italian nationality because > in europe this changes a lot :) > > On 24 Aug 2014, at 21:35, Santiago Bragagnolo < > santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi everyone. > > Sorry because of the offtopic. > > I am actively looking for a job, and i was wondering if there is any > smalltalk position available. > > > > > > My CV is attached. > > > > Contact me by private message, to keep the list clean :). > > > > > > Thank you very much. > > Santiago. > > <CV-EN Santiago.pdf>_______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >

Aug. 28, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] [ESUG-Offtopic] Looking for a Smalltalk job

by Tudor Girba

Indeed, it does :) Doru On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > You should mention in your cv that you have an italian nationality because > in europe this changes a lot :) > > On 24 Aug 2014, at 21:35, Santiago Bragagnolo < > santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi everyone. > > Sorry because of the offtopic. > > I am actively looking for a job, and i was wondering if there is any > smalltalk position available. > > > > > > My CV is attached. > > > > Contact me by private message, to keep the list clean :). > > > > > > Thank you very much. > > Santiago. > > <CV-EN Santiago.pdf>_______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 27, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] [ESUG-Offtopic] Looking for a Smalltalk job

by Stéphane Ducasse

You should mention in your cv that you have an italian nationality because in europe this changes a lot :) On 24 Aug 2014, at 21:35, Santiago Bragagnolo <santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone. > Sorry because of the offtopic. > I am actively looking for a job, and i was wondering if there is any smalltalk position available. > > > My CV is attached. > > Contact me by private message, to keep the list clean :). > > > Thank you very much. > Santiago. > <CV-EN Santiago.pdf>_______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Aug. 27, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Thank you

by Stéphane Ducasse

thanks Holger ESUG is always a challenge :) And this is a nice place to get energy about Smalltalk :) > Hello, > > kudos to the organizers & participants of this greate event, I enjoyed my > first ESUG a lot. > Lots of interesting stuff from the past, present and future. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Thank-you-tp4774836.html > Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Aug. 27, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Thank you

by Niall Ross

Dear Tudor, > I too would like to thank the organizers and participants! > > I was away from the conference for 5 years, but this year you > reinforced the reasons why I missed it. Thanks to your first sentence, I know what your second meant - despite the subtle ambiguity of its final verb :-) (You've been caught by one of the double-meanings of English. :-) ) I enjoyed your talk. Yours lightheartedly Niall Ross

Aug. 27, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Thank you

by Leandro Caniglia

Many thanks to you Alex, for the work you are doing in Chile and Bolivia, and for teaching Smalltalk at the University. We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces. Carl Sagan 1995. leandro caniglia ph.d. | chief technologist | caesar systems | accelerate confidently lcaniglia(a)caesarsystems.com | t: +1.281.598.8810 +1.281.617.2972 +54.11.4389.0126 | blog.caesarsystems.com | www.caesarsystems.com [image: http://www.linkedin.com/company/caesar-systems] <http://www.linkedin.com/company/caesar-systems> [image: gplus.to/PetroVR] <http://gplus.to/PetroVR> [image: https://www.facebook.com/PetroVRSoftware] <https://www.facebook.com/PetroVRSoftware> [image: twitter.com/PetroVRSoftware] <http://twitter.com/PetroVRSoftware> This message and any attached documents contain information from Caesar Systems LLC that may be confidential/trade secret and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or use this information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or by reply e-mail and then delete this message. On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Alexandre Bergel <abergel(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > Thanks to you all for the excellent feedback and encouragement you gave to > our students. > It has been a fantastic week! > > Alexandre > > > On Aug 26, 2014, at 8:39 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > > I too would like to thank the organizers and participants! > > > > I was away from the conference for 5 years, but this year you reinforced > the reasons why I missed it. > > > > Cheers, > > Tudor > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Holger Kleinsorgen < > h.kleinsorgen(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > kudos to the organizers & participants of this greate event, I enjoyed my > > first ESUG a lot. > > Lots of interesting stuff from the past, present and future. > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Thank-you-tp4774836.html > > Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >

Aug. 26, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Thank you

by Alexandre Bergel

Thanks to you all for the excellent feedback and encouragement you gave to our students. It has been a fantastic week! Alexandre On Aug 26, 2014, at 8:39 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > I too would like to thank the organizers and participants! > > I was away from the conference for 5 years, but this year you reinforced the reasons why I missed it. > > Cheers, > Tudor > > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Holger Kleinsorgen <h.kleinsorgen(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > kudos to the organizers & participants of this greate event, I enjoyed my > first ESUG a lot. > Lots of interesting stuff from the past, present and future. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Thank-you-tp4774836.html > Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Aug. 26, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Thank you

by Tudor Girba

I too would like to thank the organizers and participants! I was away from the conference for 5 years, but this year you reinforced the reasons why I missed it. Cheers, Tudor On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Holger Kleinsorgen <h.kleinsorgen(a)gmail.com > wrote: > Hello, > > kudos to the organizers & participants of this greate event, I enjoyed my > first ESUG a lot. > Lots of interesting stuff from the past, present and future. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Thank-you-tp4774836.html > Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 26, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Thank you

by Jean-François LEFEVRE

Yes ! Thank you all for this great week !!! 2014-08-26 14:57 GMT+02:00 Niall Ross <nfr(a)bigwig.net>: > > Dear David, Tim, Stephane, Luc, Jordi, Damien and all others who helped, > + 1 to what Holger said. As a former organiser, I know how much must > be done behind the scenes so that we can just turn up and have it all > happen for us. > > See you next year > Niall Ross > > Holger Kleinsorgen wrote: > > Hello, >> >> kudos to the organizers & participants of this greate event, I enjoyed my >> first ESUG a lot. Lots of interesting stuff from the past, present and >> future. >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Thank- >> you-tp4774836.html >> Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- Jean-François LEFEVRE Directeur Technique jflefevre(a)oxiane.com 06.80.38.01.29

Aug. 26, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Thank you

by Niall Ross

Dear David, Tim, Stephane, Luc, Jordi, Damien and all others who helped, + 1 to what Holger said. As a former organiser, I know how much must be done behind the scenes so that we can just turn up and have it all happen for us. See you next year Niall Ross Holger Kleinsorgen wrote: >Hello, > >kudos to the organizers & participants of this greate event, I enjoyed my >first ESUG a lot. >Lots of interesting stuff from the past, present and future. > > > >-- >View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Thank-you-tp4774836.html >Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >_______________________________________________ >Esug-list mailing list >Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > >

Aug. 26, 2014

Thank you

by Holger Kleinsorgen

Hello, kudos to the organizers & participants of this greate event, I enjoyed my first ESUG a lot. Lots of interesting stuff from the past, present and future. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Thank-you-tp4774836.html Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 26, 2014

ESUG 2014 Slides: first batch in the Archive

by Marcus Denker

Hi, All Slides that where given to the Student Volunteers are now in the archive: http://esug.org/data/ESUG2014/ -> Some Slides are missing. If you do not see yours —> send them to me. (I will contact people directly in addition) -> The slides will be uploaded to SlideShare slowly and then linked in the Video descriptions on youtube. This will be done slowly over the next week. Marcus

Aug. 25, 2014

[ESUG-Offtopic] Looking for a Smalltalk job

by Santiago Bragagnolo

Hi everyone. Sorry because of the offtopic. I am actively looking for a job, and i was wondering if there is any smalltalk position available. My CV is attached. Contact me by private message, to keep the list clean :). Thank you very much. Santiago.

Aug. 24, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Roassal contest result

by Leonel Merino

Congratulations to Natalia and Yuriy, indeed a great work ! —Leonel On 21 Aug 2014, at 10:52, Alexandre Bergel <abergel(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > Dear Friends and Colleagues, > > It is a great pleasure for me to announce the result of the 2014 Roassal contest organized by ObjectProfile.com > Certificates and the money awards were delivered during a ceremony held at the Esug conference, in Cambridge, UK. > > This year we have two winners: > > Roassal2 track: > “RTVoronyjBuilder” by Natalia Tymchuk > http://youtu.be/SlJptrlBbho > > Roassal 3d track: > "Roassal City Layouts”, by Yuriy Tymchuk > http://youtu.be/CuimMwuZiGA > > > Other remarkable contributions: > > "Navigate and visualize epidemiological models with the KendrickBrowser”, by Fabrice Atrevi > https://vimeo.com/103197416 > > "Explora Qualitas Corpus", by Leonel Merino > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eoSV7LdPac > > The very same contest will be organized next year. > > Cheers, > Alexandre on behalf of the Object Profile crew > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Aug. 21, 2014

Roassal contest result

by Alexandre Bergel

Dear Friends and Colleagues, It is a great pleasure for me to announce the result of the 2014 Roassal contest organized by ObjectProfile.com Certificates and the money awards were delivered during a ceremony held at the Esug conference, in Cambridge, UK. This year we have two winners: Roassal2 track: “RTVoronyjBuilder” by Natalia Tymchuk http://youtu.be/SlJptrlBbho Roassal 3d track: "Roassal City Layouts”, by Yuriy Tymchuk http://youtu.be/CuimMwuZiGA Other remarkable contributions: "Navigate and visualize epidemiological models with the KendrickBrowser”, by Fabrice Atrevi https://vimeo.com/103197416 "Explora Qualitas Corpus", by Leonel Merino http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eoSV7LdPac The very same contest will be organized next year. Cheers, Alexandre on behalf of the Object Profile crew

Aug. 21, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] [Pharo-dev] Quitting the community

by Maarten Mostert

No great things are achieved without great characters, Stephan has been doing a great long term effort of maintaining research budgets for Smalltalk and pushing a viable open source solution for it while the situation was pretty difficult. Like many of us he has some rough edges to and we shouldn’t forget that each of us is driven by ambition, fear and frustration. I really respect Stephan, but I also sympathise with you as I did with Janko some month’s ago. Nobody cares about any details, what we do care about however is that you would be lost for Smalltalk after such a great job !!!! There is so much more to Smalltalk then just Pharo and some of these move considerably …. Hope you reconsider at least that part of your decision. Take care, @+Maarten, On 18 Aug 2014, at 11:36, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi Ben, > > Thanks for letting us know. > > I am sorry you feel this way, but I believe your presentation of the situation is both unfair and unfortunate. You are obviously referring to issues that are of personal nature, and as outsiders we are left with only an ugly feeling without being able to either understand or fix anything. > > I was actually having fun until your email, and as far as I can tell, others were having fun as well. I am not sure what the intention of your email was, but at least for me, your mail did manage to spoil the fun for a second. > > I appreciate the work you put in Pharo, I respect your decision, but I do not sympathize with your behavior. > > Good luck, > Doru > > > > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello guys, > > I am sending this email to explain why I am quiting the Pharo community, > as well as the Smalltalk community. > > I can not bear Stephane Ducasse's behavior anymore whether at a public > level or a private level. > > It seems that his ego is preventing him from being able to have a discussion > without overreacting, being agressive, or insulting. > > I can not approve how Stephane is constantly talking behind my back to unleash > his irrationnal wrath and to provide his very own version of the facts. > > I can not see how this can lead to a peaceful and respectful community > where we can all have fun building a future. > > Therefore I will not be part of this project anymore, since the way Stephane > is acting is taking away all the fun I can have interacting with all of you. > > It was a hard decision to take, but I can not be part of a community led > by someone whose behaviour is going against all my principles. > > I wish to all of you to have fun, and keep me in touch > if you want to have a beer someday ;) > > Ben > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Aug. 19, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] [Pharo-dev] Quitting the community

by Tudor Girba

Hi Ben, Thanks for letting us know. I am sorry you feel this way, but I believe your presentation of the situation is both unfair and unfortunate. You are obviously referring to issues that are of personal nature, and as outsiders we are left with only an ugly feeling without being able to either understand or fix anything. I was actually having fun until your email, and as far as I can tell, others were having fun as well. I am not sure what the intention of your email was, but at least for me, your mail did manage to spoil the fun for a second. I appreciate the work you put in Pharo, I respect your decision, but I do not sympathize with your behavior. Good luck, Doru On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello guys, > > I am sending this email to explain why I am quiting the Pharo community, > as well as the Smalltalk community. > > I can not bear Stephane Ducasse's behavior anymore whether at a public > level or a private level. > > It seems that his ego is preventing him from being able to have a > discussion > without overreacting, being agressive, or insulting. > > I can not approve how Stephane is constantly talking behind my back to > unleash > his irrationnal wrath and to provide his very own version of the facts. > > I can not see how this can lead to a peaceful and respectful community > where we can all have fun building a future. > > Therefore I will not be part of this project anymore, since the way > Stephane > is acting is taking away all the fun I can have interacting with all of > you. > > It was a hard decision to take, but I can not be part of a community led > by someone whose behaviour is going against all my principles. > > I wish to all of you to have fun, and keep me in touch > if you want to have a beer someday ;) > > Ben > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 18, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] [ANN] Live Robot Programming

by Luc Fabresse

2014-08-15 19:16 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > Indeed, this direction is really exciting. > > When I was at NDC, there were a couple of guys there that wanted to > control their robot and they saw Pharo as a perfect match. With a more > elaborate kit, we could have a door opener. > yes sure, this is why we use Pharo for our robots since years but using a dynamic language is still a difficult message to pass to the core robotics community ;-) Luc > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > >> >> Thanks to both :-) >> >> Daniel: Contributions from you will be certainly very welcome :-) But >> watch out, to be able to remote control the EV3 you also need a WiFi key, >> specifically the Netgear N150 (WNA1100 chipset). Only that one works, and >> they are getting harder to find these days :-( >> >> On Aug 14, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Lemuus <lemuus(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Awesome!!! now I really need to get a Lego Mindstorms EV3 :) >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Santiago Bragagnolo < >> santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Great Johan! Congrats for both of you :) >> > >> > >> > 2014-08-14 22:37 GMT+02:00 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl>: >> > >> > >> > Aargh, copy-paste error. The Lego robot example is on Instagram of >> course :-) >> > >> > http://instagram.com/p/pEhm0Oj837/ >> > >> > >> > On Aug 14, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: >> > >> > > Hi all, >> > > >> > > it’s with great joy that I can announce the project that my PhD >> student Miguel and I have been working on recently: Live Robot Programming, >> or LRP for short. >> > > >> > > LRP is a live programming language designed for the creation of the >> behavior layer of robots. It is fundamentally a nested state machine >> language built with robotics applications in mind, but it is not bound to a >> specific robot middleware, API or OS. Have a look at one minute of LRP >> programming to get an idea of what it is like: >> http://youtu.be/4Ma8ZapBUqA >> > > >> > > Live programming is fun, and live robot programming even more so, as >> it brings all the advantages of live programming to programming a robot. >> You get direct manipulation of a running robot, and that’s just cool beyond >> words. As an example of LRP on a robot, this guy was programmed in LRP: >> http://youtu.be/4Ma8ZapBUqA Note that you can use LRP ‘just’ for live >> programming nested state machines as well. >> > > >> > > More information on LRP is available on its website: >> http://pleiad.cl/LRP where you can also find download instructions. >> > > >> > > LRP is implemented in Pharo, and uses Roassal2 for the visualization >> of its state machines. We currently can steer the Lego Mindstorms EV3 and >> ROS robots, thanks to a small layer on top of the cool Pharo support that >> Jannik, Luc, Santiago and Noury are implementing at Douai. I am going to >> look into support for the Parrot AR.Drone 2.0esug in a few weeks. >> > > >> > > Miguel will be at ESUG next week (I cannot make it), and has a talk >> at the IWST workshop about LRP, in the morning session. I am sure that he >> will also be happy to give demos of LRP if you ask him to (but sadly >> without a robot). >> > > >> > > All feedback is welcome, and … have fun! >> > > >> > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- >> > > >> > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >> > > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of >> Chile >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Moose-dev mailing list >> > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- >> > >> > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >> > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- >> >> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >

Aug. 16, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] [ANN] Live Robot Programming

by Johan Fabry

That sounds cool, I am interested in having LRP working with more robot middlewares / APIs. Can you pass me their details? (privately) On Aug 15, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Indeed, this direction is really exciting. > > When I was at NDC, there were a couple of guys there that wanted to control their robot and they saw Pharo as a perfect match. With a more elaborate kit, we could have a door opener. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > Thanks to both :-) > > Daniel: Contributions from you will be certainly very welcome :-) But watch out, to be able to remote control the EV3 you also need a WiFi key, specifically the Netgear N150 (WNA1100 chipset). Only that one works, and they are getting harder to find these days :-( > > On Aug 14, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Lemuus <lemuus(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Awesome!!! now I really need to get a Lego Mindstorms EV3 :) > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Santiago Bragagnolo <santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Great Johan! Congrats for both of you :) > > > > > > 2014-08-14 22:37 GMT+02:00 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl>: > > > > > > Aargh, copy-paste error. The Lego robot example is on Instagram of course :-) > > > > http://instagram.com/p/pEhm0Oj837/ > > > > > > On Aug 14, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > it’s with great joy that I can announce the project that my PhD student Miguel and I have been working on recently: Live Robot Programming, or LRP for short. > > > > > > LRP is a live programming language designed for the creation of the behavior layer of robots. It is fundamentally a nested state machine language built with robotics applications in mind, but it is not bound to a specific robot middleware, API or OS. Have a look at one minute of LRP programming to get an idea of what it is like: http://youtu.be/4Ma8ZapBUqA > > > > > > Live programming is fun, and live robot programming even more so, as it brings all the advantages of live programming to programming a robot. You get direct manipulation of a running robot, and that’s just cool beyond words. As an example of LRP on a robot, this guy was programmed in LRP: http://youtu.be/4Ma8ZapBUqA Note that you can use LRP ‘just’ for live programming nested state machines as well. > > > > > > More information on LRP is available on its website: http://pleiad.cl/LRP where you can also find download instructions. > > > > > > LRP is implemented in Pharo, and uses Roassal2 for the visualization of its state machines. We currently can steer the Lego Mindstorms EV3 and ROS robots, thanks to a small layer on top of the cool Pharo support that Jannik, Luc, Santiago and Noury are implementing at Douai. I am going to look into support for the Parrot AR.Drone 2.0esug in a few weeks. > > > > > > Miguel will be at ESUG next week (I cannot make it), and has a talk at the IWST workshop about LRP, in the morning session. I am sure that he will also be happy to give demos of LRP if you ask him to (but sadly without a robot). > > > > > > All feedback is welcome, and … have fun! > > > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > > > > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > > > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > > > > > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Aug. 15, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] [ANN] Live Robot Programming

by Tudor Girba

Indeed, this direction is really exciting. When I was at NDC, there were a couple of guys there that wanted to control their robot and they saw Pharo as a perfect match. With a more elaborate kit, we could have a door opener. Cheers, Doru On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > Thanks to both :-) > > Daniel: Contributions from you will be certainly very welcome :-) But > watch out, to be able to remote control the EV3 you also need a WiFi key, > specifically the Netgear N150 (WNA1100 chipset). Only that one works, and > they are getting harder to find these days :-( > > On Aug 14, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Lemuus <lemuus(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Awesome!!! now I really need to get a Lego Mindstorms EV3 :) > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Santiago Bragagnolo < > santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Great Johan! Congrats for both of you :) > > > > > > 2014-08-14 22:37 GMT+02:00 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl>: > > > > > > Aargh, copy-paste error. The Lego robot example is on Instagram of > course :-) > > > > http://instagram.com/p/pEhm0Oj837/ > > > > > > On Aug 14, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > it’s with great joy that I can announce the project that my PhD > student Miguel and I have been working on recently: Live Robot Programming, > or LRP for short. > > > > > > LRP is a live programming language designed for the creation of the > behavior layer of robots. It is fundamentally a nested state machine > language built with robotics applications in mind, but it is not bound to a > specific robot middleware, API or OS. Have a look at one minute of LRP > programming to get an idea of what it is like: http://youtu.be/4Ma8ZapBUqA > > > > > > Live programming is fun, and live robot programming even more so, as > it brings all the advantages of live programming to programming a robot. > You get direct manipulation of a running robot, and that’s just cool beyond > words. As an example of LRP on a robot, this guy was programmed in LRP: > http://youtu.be/4Ma8ZapBUqA Note that you can use LRP ‘just’ for live > programming nested state machines as well. > > > > > > More information on LRP is available on its website: > http://pleiad.cl/LRP where you can also find download instructions. > > > > > > LRP is implemented in Pharo, and uses Roassal2 for the visualization > of its state machines. We currently can steer the Lego Mindstorms EV3 and > ROS robots, thanks to a small layer on top of the cool Pharo support that > Jannik, Luc, Santiago and Noury are implementing at Douai. I am going to > look into support for the Parrot AR.Drone 2.0esug in a few weeks. > > > > > > Miguel will be at ESUG next week (I cannot make it), and has a talk at > the IWST workshop about LRP, in the morning session. I am sure that he will > also be happy to give demos of LRP if you ask him to (but sadly without a > robot). > > > > > > All feedback is welcome, and … have fun! > > > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > > > > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > > > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of > Chile > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > > > > > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 15, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] [ANN] Live Robot Programming

by Johan Fabry

Thanks to both :-) Daniel: Contributions from you will be certainly very welcome :-) But watch out, to be able to remote control the EV3 you also need a WiFi key, specifically the Netgear N150 (WNA1100 chipset). Only that one works, and they are getting harder to find these days :-( On Aug 14, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Lemuus <lemuus(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Awesome!!! now I really need to get a Lego Mindstorms EV3 :) > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Santiago Bragagnolo <santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Great Johan! Congrats for both of you :) > > > 2014-08-14 22:37 GMT+02:00 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl>: > > > Aargh, copy-paste error. The Lego robot example is on Instagram of course :-) > > http://instagram.com/p/pEhm0Oj837/ > > > On Aug 14, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > it’s with great joy that I can announce the project that my PhD student Miguel and I have been working on recently: Live Robot Programming, or LRP for short. > > > > LRP is a live programming language designed for the creation of the behavior layer of robots. It is fundamentally a nested state machine language built with robotics applications in mind, but it is not bound to a specific robot middleware, API or OS. Have a look at one minute of LRP programming to get an idea of what it is like: http://youtu.be/4Ma8ZapBUqA > > > > Live programming is fun, and live robot programming even more so, as it brings all the advantages of live programming to programming a robot. You get direct manipulation of a running robot, and that’s just cool beyond words. As an example of LRP on a robot, this guy was programmed in LRP: http://youtu.be/4Ma8ZapBUqA Note that you can use LRP ‘just’ for live programming nested state machines as well. > > > > More information on LRP is available on its website: http://pleiad.cl/LRP where you can also find download instructions. > > > > LRP is implemented in Pharo, and uses Roassal2 for the visualization of its state machines. We currently can steer the Lego Mindstorms EV3 and ROS robots, thanks to a small layer on top of the cool Pharo support that Jannik, Luc, Santiago and Noury are implementing at Douai. I am going to look into support for the Parrot AR.Drone 2.0esug in a few weeks. > > > > Miguel will be at ESUG next week (I cannot make it), and has a talk at the IWST workshop about LRP, in the morning session. I am sure that he will also be happy to give demos of LRP if you ask him to (but sadly without a robot). > > > > All feedback is welcome, and … have fun! > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Aug. 15, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Award.... new process :)

by Stéphane Ducasse

super! We want more competitors. Stef On 15 Aug 2014, at 13:37, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Here is our submission for the ESUG Innovation Awards: > > Title: GT Inspector > Submitter: Andrei Chis, Tudor Girba, Alex Syrel > Smalltalk Dialect: Pharo > Affiliation: University of Bern, tudorgirba.com > Country: Switzerland > Website: http://gt.moosetechnology.org > Trailer: http://vimeo.com/103463364 > Keywords: Pharo, IDE, Moose, Visualization > Licence: MIT > > Cheers, > The Glamorous Team > > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi smalltalkers > > for the awards it seems that the registration server has still a problem. > I suggest that you prepare your video and that you send a title and a little description of your project > as a reply to this mail. We will manage it differently but we will do this great competition. > > Stef > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 15, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Award.... new process :)

by Tudor Girba

Hi, Here is our submission for the ESUG Innovation Awards: Title: GT Inspector Submitter: Andrei Chis, Tudor Girba, Alex Syrel Smalltalk Dialect: Pharo Affiliation: University of Bern, tudorgirba.com Country: Switzerland Website: http://gt.moosetechnology.org Trailer: http://vimeo.com/103463364 Keywords: Pharo, IDE, Moose, Visualization Licence: MIT Cheers, The Glamorous Team On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > Hi smalltalkers > > for the awards it seems that the registration server has still a problem. > I suggest that you prepare your video and that you send a title and a > little description of your project > as a reply to this mail. We will manage it differently but we will do this > great competition. > > Stef > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 15, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] [Moose-dev] [ANN] Live Robot Programming

by Johan Fabry

Aargh, copy-paste error. The Lego robot example is on Instagram of course :-) http://instagram.com/p/pEhm0Oj837/ On Aug 14, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > Hi all, > > it’s with great joy that I can announce the project that my PhD student Miguel and I have been working on recently: Live Robot Programming, or LRP for short. > > LRP is a live programming language designed for the creation of the behavior layer of robots. It is fundamentally a nested state machine language built with robotics applications in mind, but it is not bound to a specific robot middleware, API or OS. Have a look at one minute of LRP programming to get an idea of what it is like: http://youtu.be/4Ma8ZapBUqA > > Live programming is fun, and live robot programming even more so, as it brings all the advantages of live programming to programming a robot. You get direct manipulation of a running robot, and that’s just cool beyond words. As an example of LRP on a robot, this guy was programmed in LRP: http://youtu.be/4Ma8ZapBUqA Note that you can use LRP ‘just’ for live programming nested state machines as well. > > More information on LRP is available on its website: http://pleiad.cl/LRP where you can also find download instructions. > > LRP is implemented in Pharo, and uses Roassal2 for the visualization of its state machines. We currently can steer the Lego Mindstorms EV3 and ROS robots, thanks to a small layer on top of the cool Pharo support that Jannik, Luc, Santiago and Noury are implementing at Douai. I am going to look into support for the Parrot AR.Drone 2.0esug in a few weeks. > > Miguel will be at ESUG next week (I cannot make it), and has a talk at the IWST workshop about LRP, in the morning session. I am sure that he will also be happy to give demos of LRP if you ask him to (but sadly without a robot). > > All feedback is welcome, and … have fun! > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Aug. 14, 2014

[ANN] Live Robot Programming

by Johan Fabry

Hi all, it’s with great joy that I can announce the project that my PhD student Miguel and I have been working on recently: Live Robot Programming, or LRP for short. LRP is a live programming language designed for the creation of the behavior layer of robots. It is fundamentally a nested state machine language built with robotics applications in mind, but it is not bound to a specific robot middleware, API or OS. Have a look at one minute of LRP programming to get an idea of what it is like: http://youtu.be/4Ma8ZapBUqA Live programming is fun, and live robot programming even more so, as it brings all the advantages of live programming to programming a robot. You get direct manipulation of a running robot, and that’s just cool beyond words. As an example of LRP on a robot, this guy was programmed in LRP: http://youtu.be/4Ma8ZapBUqA Note that you can use LRP ‘just’ for live programming nested state machines as well. More information on LRP is available on its website: http://pleiad.cl/LRP where you can also find download instructions. LRP is implemented in Pharo, and uses Roassal2 for the visualization of its state machines. We currently can steer the Lego Mindstorms EV3 and ROS robots, thanks to a small layer on top of the cool Pharo support that Jannik, Luc, Santiago and Noury are implementing at Douai. I am going to look into support for the Parrot AR.Drone 2.0esug in a few weeks. Miguel will be at ESUG next week (I cannot make it), and has a talk at the IWST workshop about LRP, in the morning session. I am sure that he will also be happy to give demos of LRP if you ask him to (but sadly without a robot). All feedback is welcome, and … have fun! ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Aug. 14, 2014

Award.... new process :)

by Stéphane Ducasse

Hi smalltalkers for the awards it seems that the registration server has still a problem. I suggest that you prepare your video and that you send a title and a little description of your project as a reply to this mail. We will manage it differently but we will do this great competition. Stef

Aug. 14, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Preparing Glorp Tutorial at ESUG 2014

by François Stephany

Sounds good, Thanks for the instructions Niall, they are crystal clear. It will be a good pretext to play with the latest VW ;) On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Niall Ross <nfr(a)bigwig.net> wrote: > Dear François, > > > > There is a Glorp tutorial scheduled at 2pm on Monday. The description > > says that we attendants should have a Glorp Ready setup on their laptop. > > Is there any planned session to get this setup working? > > I trust the instructions below will be easy to follow. However, also: > > 1) I will be at Camp Smalltalk on Saturday and Sunday. I will help > anyone there who asks to get set up. > > 2) I'll arrange that people registering on Monday have a way to tell > me if they are attending the tutorial and are having problems getting > > set up. I'll talk to them in the morning coffee break. > > > We need a VW image > > It keeps things simple if attenders have the same set up as the > presenter. Visit http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/ to download > the VisualWorks 7.10.1 personal use version > > > (You won't be thrown out if you turn up with another dialect and its > latest Glorp. :-) Just be aware it's "caveat emptor" if any hiccough I > can't reproduce in my image hits you. :-) ) > > > > A stock PostgreSQL 9.3 is enough as well? > > The same point about the advantage of using the same thing as the > presenter applies to your choice of database. > > - Visiting www.postgresql.org and installing the latest 9.3 is fine. > > - Any older Postgres 9.* - and, I would expect 8.* - should work OK. > > - Any other database that Glorp supports _should_ work OK. "SQL is > a standard - so it differs everywhere", Alan Knight. :-) > > > with Glorp loaded. Any special steps to do that? > > Load Glorp and GlorpTest. (These are parcels in your VisualWorks > installation. Components of the same name exist in other dialects.) > > - Look at the 'data' protocol on the class side of > GlorpDatabaseLoginResource. > > - Choose a method that matches your database platform. > > - Edit it to connect to some (empty or unimportant) test database on > your machine. > > - Execute the method; check the value of DefaultLogin is what you > expect. > > - Run the GlorpTest SUnit tests. > > On Postgres and VisualWorks, you should see all tests run green. > > (On some other databases and/or dialects, some failures are expected; I > will bring test data so you can verify your installation is behaving > correctly.) > > If you get many failures, check simple things like your typing of the > values in DefaultLogin, or the parameters of your database installation. > > HTH > Niall Ross >

Aug. 14, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Preparing Glorp Tutorial at ESUG 2014

by Niall Ross

Dear François, > There is a Glorp tutorial scheduled at 2pm on Monday. The description > says that we attendants should have a Glorp Ready setup on their laptop. > Is there any planned session to get this setup working? I trust the instructions below will be easy to follow. However, also: 1) I will be at Camp Smalltalk on Saturday and Sunday. I will help anyone there who asks to get set up. 2) I'll arrange that people registering on Monday have a way to tell me if they are attending the tutorial and are having problems getting set up. I'll talk to them in the morning coffee break. > We need a VW image It keeps things simple if attenders have the same set up as the presenter. Visit http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/ to download the VisualWorks 7.10.1 personal use version (You won't be thrown out if you turn up with another dialect and its latest Glorp. :-) Just be aware it's "caveat emptor" if any hiccough I can't reproduce in my image hits you. :-) ) > A stock PostgreSQL 9.3 is enough as well? The same point about the advantage of using the same thing as the presenter applies to your choice of database. - Visiting www.postgresql.org and installing the latest 9.3 is fine. - Any older Postgres 9.* - and, I would expect 8.* - should work OK. - Any other database that Glorp supports _should_ work OK. "SQL is a standard - so it differs everywhere", Alan Knight. :-) > with Glorp loaded. Any special steps to do that? Load Glorp and GlorpTest. (These are parcels in your VisualWorks installation. Components of the same name exist in other dialects.) - Look at the 'data' protocol on the class side of GlorpDatabaseLoginResource. - Choose a method that matches your database platform. - Edit it to connect to some (empty or unimportant) test database on your machine. - Execute the method; check the value of DefaultLogin is what you expect. - Run the GlorpTest SUnit tests. On Postgres and VisualWorks, you should see all tests run green. (On some other databases and/or dialects, some failures are expected; I will bring test data so you can verify your installation is behaving correctly.) If you get many failures, check simple things like your typing of the values in DefaultLogin, or the parameters of your database installation. HTH Niall Ross

Aug. 13, 2014

Preparing Glorp Tutorial at ESUG 2014

by François Stephany

Hi, There is a Glorp tutorial scheduled at 2pm on Monday. The description says that we attendants should have a Glorp Ready setup on their laptop. Is there any planned session to get this setup working? If I understand well, we need a VW image with Glorp loaded. Any special steps to do that? A stock PostgreSQL 9.3 is enough as well? Cheers, Francois

Aug. 13, 2014

Submission problems fixed - ESUG 2014 REMINDER: 11th Innovation Technology Awards

by Jordi Delgado

We're sorry but we realized that there was a misconfiguration that prevented the submission of award candidates. It has been fixed and now it works fine. ESUG 2014 REMINDER: 11th Innovation Technology Awards http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2014/Innovation-Technology-Awards Have you written innovative Smalltalk? The developers of any Smalltalk-based software can enter by submitting a 3-5min video of their software. Entrants demo their systems in a session at the end of Monday August 18th 2014, after which the conference attendees vote. (A vote consists in providing a sorted list of 3 preferred pieces of software.) The top 3 teams with the most innovative software will receive, respectively, 500 Euros, 300 Euros and 200 Euros. The results are announced in the Awards ceremony that is held during the social event. Applicants should provide the following information on the conference registration server. Once you have registered your personal info, an 'Awards' menu allows submitting your software. You can provide this information when you first register, or login again later and update your details. The registration server will open soon. You can start preparing your software right now though. Info to provide: Name of the software Licence information (free, shareware, or commercial) Name of the Smalltalk dialect used Name, Affiliation and Country of developers Besides, it would be great if the submission could include: URL for a video (3-5 min) showing a screencast / demo of the software URL for downloading the software or at least a runnable demo Deadline: *August 15th* Any Smalltalker can apply (students, companies, ...). The presented piece of code/software should be written in Smalltalk or directly support Smalltalk (e.g. Smalltalk VM). All Smalltalk dialects are accepted. The applicant should be "strongly related" to the presented code, be it as an author, as owner of the copyright/copyleft, or as an official representative of the copyright/copyleft owner. Bests Jordi

Aug. 10, 2014

Only one week left!! - ESUG 2014 REMINDER: 11th Innovation Technology Awards

by Jordi Delgado

ESUG 2014 REMINDER: 11th Innovation Technology Awards http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2014/Innovation-Technology-Awards Have you written innovative Smalltalk? The developers of any Smalltalk-based software can enter by submitting a 3-5min video of their software. Entrants demo their systems in a session at the end of Monday August 18th 2014, after which the conference attendees vote. (A vote consists in providing a sorted list of 3 preferred pieces of software.) The top 3 teams with the most innovative software will receive, respectively, 500 Euros, 300 Euros and 200 Euros. The results are announced in the Awards ceremony that is held during the social event. Applicants should provide the following information on the conference registration server. Once you have registered your personal info, an 'Awards' menu allows submitting your software. You can provide this information when you first register, or login again later and update your details. The registration server will open soon. You can start preparing your software right now though. Info to provide: Name of the software Licence information (free, shareware, or commercial) Name of the Smalltalk dialect used Name, Affiliation and Country of developers Besides, it would be great if the submission could include: URL for a video (3-5 min) showing a screencast / demo of the software URL for downloading the software or at least a runnable demo Deadline: *August 15th* Any Smalltalker can apply (students, companies, ...). The presented piece of code/software should be written in Smalltalk or directly support Smalltalk (e.g. Smalltalk VM). All Smalltalk dialects are accepted. The applicant should be "strongly related" to the presented code, be it as an author, as owner of the copyright/copyleft, or as an official representative of the copyright/copyleft owner. Bests, Jordi

Aug. 8, 2014

SLE 2014 - Call for Participation

by Craig Anslow

======================================= CALL FOR PARTICIPATION 7th International Conference on Software Language Engineering (SLE) 2014 Vasteras, Sweden, September 15-16, 2014 http://www.sleconf.org/2014/ Co-located with: 29th IEEE/ACM International Conference on Automated Software Engineering (ASE 2014) 13th International Conference on Generative Programming: Concepts and Experiences (GPCE 2014) --------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT DATES SLE workshops: 14 September, 2014 Conference: 15-16 September, 2014 --------------------------------------------------------- SCOPE Software Language Engineering (SLE) is the application of systematic, disciplined, and measurable approaches to the development, use, deployment, and maintenance of software languages. The term "software language" is used broadly, and includes: general-purpose programming languages; domain-specific languages (e.g. BPMN, Simulink, Modelica); modeling and metamodeling languages (e.g. SysML and UML); data models and ontologies (e.g. XML-based and OWL-based languages and vocabularies). --------------------------------------------------------- TOPICS OF INTEREST The overall principle of SLE is to be broad-minded and inclusive about relevance and scope. We solicit high-quality contributions in areas ranging from theoretical and conceptual contributions to tools, techniques, and frameworks. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to, the following: - Tools and methods for software language design and extension (incl. meta-languages, meta-tools, language workbenches) - Generative approaches, transformation and transformation languages, code generation - Techniques for analysing software language descriptions - Techniques for software language reuse, evolution and managing variation (syntactic/semantic) within language families - Integration and coordination of software languages and tools - Engineering Domain-Specific Languages (for modeling, simulating, generation, description, checking) - Novel applications and/or empirical studies on any aspect of SLE (development, use, deployment, and maintenance of software languages) - Cross-fertilization of different technological spaces (e.g. modelware, grammarware, etc) --------------------------------------------------------- INVITED SPEAKER Title: From Language Engineering to Viewpoint Engineering Speaker: Colin Atkinson, University of Mannheim Abstract: As software systems increase in size and complexity, and are expected to cope with ever more quantities of information from ever more sources, there is an urgent and growing need for a more view-oriented approach to software engineering. Views allow stakeholders to see exactly the right information, at exactly the right time, in a way that best matches their capabilities and goals. However, this is only possible if the information is represented in the optimal languages (i.e. domain- and purpose-specific), with the necessary context information and the optimal manipulation/editing features - that is, if information is viewed from the optimal viewpoints. Rather than merely engineering languages, therefore, software engineers in the future will need to engineer viewpoints, which augment language definitions (e.g. meta-models, syntax ...) with context information (e.g. elision, location, perspective ...) and user-interaction information (e.g. editing pallets, view manipulation services ...). In this talk Colin Atkinson will outline the issues faced in supporting the flexible and efficient engineering of viewpoints and will present some key foundations of a fundamentally view-oriented approach to software engineering --------------------------------------------------------- ACCEPTED PAPERS - A SAT-based Debugging Tool for State Machines and Sequence Diagrams, Petra Kaufmann, Martin Kronegger, Andreas Pfandler, Martina Seidl and Magdalena Widl - The Moldable Debugger: a Framework for Developing Domain-Specific Debuggers, Andrei Chis, Tudor Girba and Oscar Nierstrasz - Streamlining Control Flow Graph Construction with DCFlow, Mark Hills - Bounded Islands, Jan Kurs, Mircea Lungu and Oscar Nierstrasz - Origin Tracking in Attribute Grammars, Kevin Williams and Eric Van Wyk - Dynamic Scope Discovery for Model Transformations, Maris Jukss, Clark Verbrugge, Daniel Varro and Hans Vangheluwe - Model Checking of CTL-Extended OCL Specifications, Sebastian Gabmeyer, Robert Bill, Martina Seidl and Petra Kaufmann - Simple, efficient, sound-and-complete combinator parsing for all context-free grammars, using an oracle, Tom Ridge - Towards User-Friendly Projectional Editors, Markus Voelter, Janet Siegmund, Thorsten Berger and Bernd Kolb - Eco: a Language Composition Editor, Lukas Diekmann and Laurence Tratt - Unifying and Generalizing Relations in Role-Based Data Modeling and Navigation, Daco Harkes and Eelco Visser - ProMoBox: A Framework for Generating Domain-Specific Property Languages, Bart Meyers, Romuald Deshayes, Levi Lucio, Eugene Syriani, Manuel Wimmer and Hans Vangheluwe - A Metamodel Family for Role-based Modeling and Programming Languages, Thomas Kühn, Max Leuthäuser, Sebastian Götz, Uwe Aßmann and Christoph Seidl - fUML as an Assembly Language for Model Transformation, Massimo Tisi, Frédéric Jouault, Jérôme Delatour, Zied Saidi and Hassene Choura - Evaluating the usability of a visual notation when developing new feature models, Aleksandar Jaksic, Robert France, Philippe Collet and Sudipto Ghosh - Respect Your Parents: How Attribution and Rewriting Can Get Along, Tony Sloane, Matthew Roberts and Leonard Hamey - Monto: A Disintegrated Development Environment, Tony Sloane, Matthew Roberts, Scott Buckley and Shaun Muscat - AIOCJ: A Choreographic Framework for Safe Adaptive Distributed Applications, Mila Dalla Preda, Maurizio Gabbrielli, Saverio Giallorenzo, Ivan Lanese and Jacopo Maurio - Test-data generation for Xtext with Xtextgen, Johannes Härtel, Lukas Härtel and Ralf Laemmel --------------------------------------------------------- WORKSHOPS ITSLE - This workshop explores SLE concepts from an industrial perspective. http://www.sleconf.org/2014/ITSLE.html Parsing@SLE - This workshop was organized the first time in 2013 and brought together a wide variety of people intereseted in parsing. http://www.sleconf.org/2014/Parsing-at-SLE.html --------------------------------------------------------- AWARDS - Best paper. Award for best overall paper, as determined by the PC chairs based on the recommendations of the programme committee. - Best reviewer. Award for best reviewer, as determined by the PC chairs using feedback from the authors. Award Sponsors: Google, Gemoc, itemis --------------------------------------------------------- REGISTRATION Early registration ends August 15! http://www.sleconf.org/2014/Registration.html --------------------------------------------------------- CONTACT For any questions or concerns about the call for paper, please contact the program co-chairs at: pcchairs(a)sleconf.org --------------------------------------------------------- GENERAL COMMITTEE CHAIR Jurgen Vinju, Centrum Wiskunde & Informatica, The Netherlands PROGRAM COMMITTEE CO-CHAIRS Benoit Combemale, University of Rennes, France David J. Pearce, Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand PROGRAM COMMITTEE Emilie Balland, INRIA, France Tony Clark, Middlesex University, UK Zinovy Diskin, McMaster University / University of Waterloo, Canada Martin Erwig, Oregon State University, USA Anne Etien, University of Lille, France Joerg Evermann, Memorial University of Newfoundland, Canada Jean-Marie Favre, University of Grenoble, France Robert France, Colorado State University, USA Andy Gill, University of Kansas, USA Martin Gogolla, University of Bremen, Germany Pieter Van Gorp, Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands Giancarlo Guizzardi, Federal University of Espirito Santo, Brazil Görel Hedin, Lund University, Sweden Markus Herrmannsdoerfer, Technische Universitat Munchen, Germany Jean-Marc Jézéquel, University of Rennes, France Thomas Kuehne, Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand Ralf Laemmel, Universität Koblenz-Landau, Germany Peter Mosses, Swansea University, UK Sean Mcdirmid, Microsoft, China Kim Mens, Université catholique de Louvain, Belgium Marjan Mernik, University of Maribor, Slovenia Pierre-Alain Muller, University of Haute-Alsace, France Nathaniel Nystrom, University of Lugano, Switzerland Klaus Ostermann, University of Marburg, Germany Oscar Nierstrasz, University of Bern, Switzerland Richard Paige, University of York, UK Fiona Polack, University of York, UK Arnd Poetzsch-Heffter, University of Kaiserslautern, Germany Davide Di Ruscio, Università degli Studi dell'Aquila, Italy João Saraiva, Universidade do Minho, Portugal Bran Selic, Malina Software Corp., Canada Jim Steel, University of Queensland, Australia Tijs Van Der Storm, Centrum Wiskunde and Informatica, The Netherlands Juha-Pekka Tolvanen, MetaCase, Finland Michael Whalen, University of Minnesota, USA Eric Van Wyk, University of Minnesota, USA Steffen Zschaler, King's College London, UK WORKSHOP ORGANIZATION CHAIR Eric Van Wyk, University of Minnesota, USA PANEL ORGANIZATION CHAIR Ralf Lammel, Universitat Koblenz-Landau, Germany PUBLICATION CHAIR Olivier Barais, University of Rennes, France PUBLICITY CHAIRS Craig Anslow, University of Calgary, Canada (general publicity) Tijs van der Storm, Centrum Wiskunde and Informatica, The Netherlands (social media) Davy Landman, Centrum Wiskunde and Informatica, The Netherlands (web) LOCAL ORGANIZATION CHAIR Ivica Crnkovic, Malardalen University, Sweden ======================================= — Kind regards, Craig Craig Anslow, PhD Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Computer Science University of Calgary, Canada T: 403 210 8159 E: craig.anslow(a)ucalgary.ca W: http://anslow.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/

Aug. 8, 2014

Jobs and internships at HRWorks

by Stéphane Ducasse

Hi HRWorks is looking for some smalltalkers…so pass this information around. Stef HRworks: Get on board as graduate HRworks is the pioneer in software for service solutions in Germany. As early as 1998, HRworks developed a web-based business software for the cloud. With this software solution, companies can bill travel expenses and manage absences and equipment. More than 800 customers such as McDonald’s, Tom Tailor, Lexmark or the Warner Music Group rely on HRworks every day. Have you already completed your studies and are looking for your first professional experience? After our “boot camp” you will take responsibility for minor components and tasks. You will gain experience and gradually you will be entrusted with more demanding tasks, depending upon your abilities. What do we expect from you? • That you enjoy programming • Smalltalk is your passion • Good spoken English What does HRworks offer you? • An open, motivated & efficient team that enjoy working together • Working on a unique application architecture • Optimum working conditions, such as the open-space concept • Fruit & drinks; in particular, as much coffee as you need • Above-average pay What next? Are you interested? Then we look forward to receiving your application by email to job(a)hrworks.de. More information: www.hrworks.de/career/ Any questions? José-Simón Gerónimo, +49 761 47954-12, job(a)hrworks.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HRworks: Internship HRworks is the pioneer in software for service solutions in Germany. As early as 1998, HRworks developed a web-based business software for the cloud. With this software solution, companies can bill travel expenses and manage absences and equipment. More than 800 customers such as McDonald’s, Tom Tailor, Lexmark or the Warner Music Group rely on HRworks every day. Are you a student looking for an internship from 5 to 6 months? What do we expect from you? • That you enjoy programming • Smalltalk is your passion • Good spoken English What tasks will you be given? You will develop new features and functions and improve our internal components and development processes. All features that you subsequently implement will be used by hundred thousand employees in prestigious companies. What does HRworks offer you? • An open, motivated & efficient team that enjoy working together • Working on a unique application architecture • Optimum working conditions, such as the open-space concept • Fruit & drinks; in particular, as much coffee as you need • Above-average pay • A student room What next? Are you interested? Then we look forward to receiving your application by email to job(a)hrworks.de. More information: www.hrworks.de/career/ Any questions? José-Simón Gerónimo, +49 761 47954-12, job(a)hrworks.de

Aug. 6, 2014

Jobs and internships at HRWorks

by Stéphane Ducasse

Hi Smalltalkers HRWorks sponsors ESUG since a couple of years and it is looking for smart smalltalkers. Stef

Aug. 6, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] "Pharo is Smalltalk inspired"

by Sean P. DeNigris

drush66 wrote > "Pharo is not Smalltalk", is just marketing speak for me Bingo. It's a sound bite, which by definition presents one teeny-tiny side of an issue in a way that we think will bring the most interest to Pharo. Debating how "true" it is, or whether anyone should be insulted, is as unproductive this time as it was in the thread from April with 98 posts (http://forum.world.st/a-Pharo-talk-from-a-ruby-conference-td4756805.html) The only potentially helpful discussion would be whether it's good marketing, but the consensus among those of us in the Pharo community with experience sharing to the outside programming community is that once most programmers hear "Smalltalk" either: <overdramatic list> - their eyes glaze over - they can't hear anything else you say over their own laughter, or - you take so long explaining that "'Smalltalk' is an idea, but most of the time people say 'Smalltalk' meaning 'Smalltalk-80', which is..." you're out of time </overdramatic list> Also, as programmers, who are notoriously terrible marketing people, it might be time to try something bold, turning our first instinct - which has been to hold dearly to marketing Smalltalk as such for 34 years - on its head... ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-is-Smalltalk-inspired-tp4771115p4771904.html Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 5, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] ESUG 2014 Conference

by Serge Stinckwich

Sorry Andy for the delay. We will reply to your request very shortly. Regards Envoyé de mon iPhone > Le 5 août 2014 à 21:09, Jean Marshall and Andy Berry <andy(a)tof.co.uk> a écrit : > > Hi! > > Hope you're all OK and having lots of fun. > > A couple of days ago, I sent an email to the Board address with a question about the conference. I've not had a reply so I am wondering whether the Board got it. > > Could one of the Board members send me an email so I can ask the question? > > Thanks, > > Andy Berry > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Aug. 5, 2014

ESUG 2014 Conference

by Jean Marshall and Andy Berry

Hi! Hope you're all OK and having lots of fun. A couple of days ago, I sent an email to the Board address with a question about the conference. I've not had a reply so I am wondering whether the Board got it. Could one of the Board members send me an email so I can ask the question? Thanks, Andy Berry --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Aug. 5, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] "Pharo is Smalltalk inspired"

by John O'Keefe

Count me in. John O'Keefe [|], CTO/Principal Smalltalk Architect Instantiations Inc On Aug 4, 2014 4:09 PM, "Tim Mackinnon" <tim.mackinnon(a)testitworks.com> wrote: > > On 31 Jul 2014, at 14:49, Andres Valloud < > avalloud(a)smalltalk.comcastbiz.net> wrote: > > So, ideally, those interested in tackling these challenges would get on > the same page in person. We can start doing that just two weeks from now > (*and* over beer or equivalent). I'm looking forward to it :). > > > > So should we have a BOF about this in the pub at ESUG 2014 this year? > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >

Aug. 5, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] "Pharo is Smalltalk inspired"

by Tim Mackinnon

On 31 Jul 2014, at 14:49, Andres Valloud <avalloud(a)smalltalk.comcastbiz.net> wrote: > So, ideally, those interested in tackling these challenges would get on the same page in person. We can start doing that just two weeks from now (*and* over beer or equivalent). I'm looking forward to it :). So should we have a BOF about this in the pub at ESUG 2014 this year? Tim

Aug. 4, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] "Pharo is Smalltalk inspired"

by Reinout Heeck

On 7/31/2014 9:56 PM, Dale Henrichs wrote: > Reinout, > > I have a feeling that if we had a chance to talk that we would be in > "screaming agreement." We share that feeling :-) [snipped the actual content] > And I'm sorry I made you cringe:) You didn't, the context did -- but I guess you already knew that :-) R -

Aug. 4, 2014

ESUG Innovation Technology Awards

by Jan Vrany

Hi guys, does anybody of you managed to submit a project to awards following instructions on the website? It somehow does not work for me (see below) and apparently Joachim has experience the same problem (see below). Jordi, could it be that some permittions are set wrong in the app? Is there other way to submit a project? Thanks a lot, see you soon, Jan On 29/07/14 13:59, jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de wrote: > Jan, > > I see the exact same behavior on Safari 7.05 on Mac. > > So how can we propose a solution??? > > Joachim > > Am 28.07.14 um 20:41 schrieb Jan Vrany: >> Hi Jordi, >> >> thanks for reminder :-) >> > >>> Applicants should provide the following information on the conference >>> registration server. Once you have registered your personal info, an >>> 'Awards' menu allows submitting your software. You can provide this >>> information when you first register, or login again later and update >>> your details. >> >> Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but it does not work for me. >> >> When I log in, I see top menu (items in capital on back background) >> and second menu (normal letters, turquoise background). None contains >> 'Awards' though the second contains 'Proposed Awards', so I guess >> this is what you meant. >> >> When clicking 'Proposed Awards' I see a page showing: >> >> Submitted awards >> Add >> Name (D) >> Total: 0 >> >> I found no way to add a new proposal. The 'Add' text is not >> clickable. Could you please give me a hint what I'm doing wrong? >> >> All the best, Jan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> > >

Aug. 2, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] "Pharo is Smalltalk inspired"

by Tim Mackinnon

I like different Smalltalks, and I also like Pharo. I'm not sure if they are different, and even whether I care, However I do care about preserving the energy in respective communities - and in particular the iterative improvements I see happening in Pharo (which is not to downplay things happening in other Smalltalks either). I really want to see Pharo continue unhindered by past convictions, and from their recent track record I trust them to keep forging on. Thanks guys! Tim Sent from my iPhone > On 1 Aug 2014, at 02:16 pm, Davorin Rusevljan <davorin.rusevljan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Helge Nowak <hknowak(a)yahoo.de> wrote: >> Dear Pharoers, >> >> I stumbled upon Doru’s (BTW excellent, as usual) presentation on Live Objects at NDC 2014. In there he states “Pharo is Smalltalk inspired. … we want to point ourselves that we are Smalltalk inspired because we want to move towards the future”. This implies three things: >> Pharo is NOT Smalltalk >> All Smalltalks are not moving towards the future >> The Pharo community wants to get divorced from the community that gave them birth >> >> I am wondering whether this is indeed the official position of the Pharo community? And how the Smalltalkers think about it. >> >> Cheers >> Helge > > For me, Pharo is very nice Smalltalk dialect, and "Pharo is not Smalltalk", is just marketing speak for me. As I try to valuate things accordingly to what they are and not marketing, I can live quite nice with "Pharo is not Smalltalk", since, as I said I like Pharo Smalltalk pretty much. > > Thanks guys for hard work! > > Davorin Ruševljan > http://www.cloud208.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Aug. 1, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] "Pharo is Smalltalk inspired"

by Nowak, Helge

:-) Von: Esug-list [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] Im Auftrag von Davorin Rusevljan Gesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2014 14:16 An: Helge Nowak Cc: ESUG; pharo-business(a)lists.pharo.org Betreff: Re: [Esug-list] "Pharo is Smalltalk inspired" On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Helge Nowak <hknowak(a)yahoo.de<mailto:hknowak@yahoo.de>> wrote: Dear Pharoers, I stumbled upon Doru’s (BTW excellent, as usual) presentation on Live Objects at NDC 2014. In there he states “Pharo is Smalltalk inspired. … we want to point ourselves that we are Smalltalk inspired because we want to move towards the future”. This implies three things: 1. Pharo is NOT Smalltalk 1. All Smalltalks are not moving towards the future 1. The Pharo community wants to get divorced from the community that gave them birth I am wondering whether this is indeed the official position of the Pharo community? And how the Smalltalkers think about it. Cheers Helge For me, Pharo is very nice Smalltalk dialect, and "Pharo is not Smalltalk", is just marketing speak for me. As I try to valuate things accordingly to what they are and not marketing, I can live quite nice with "Pharo is not Smalltalk", since, as I said I like Pharo Smalltalk pretty much. Thanks guys for hard work! Davorin Ruševljan http://www.cloud208.com

Aug. 1, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] "Pharo is Smalltalk inspired"

by Davorin Rusevljan

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Helge Nowak <hknowak(a)yahoo.de> wrote: > Dear Pharoers, > > I stumbled upon Doru’s (BTW excellent, as usual) presentation on Live > Objects at NDC 2014. In there he states “Pharo is Smalltalk inspired. … we > want to point ourselves that we are Smalltalk inspired because we want to > move towards the future”. This implies three things: > > 1. Pharo is NOT Smalltalk > 2. All Smalltalks are not moving towards the future > 3. The Pharo community wants to get divorced from the community that > gave them birth > > > I am wondering whether this is indeed the official position of the Pharo > community? And how the Smalltalkers think about it. > > Cheers > Helge > > For me, Pharo is very nice Smalltalk dialect, and "Pharo is not Smalltalk", is just marketing speak for me. As I try to valuate things accordingly to what they are and not marketing, I can live quite nice with "Pharo is not Smalltalk", since, as I said I like Pharo Smalltalk pretty much. Thanks guys for hard work! Davorin Ruševljan http://www.cloud208.com

Aug. 1, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] "Pharo is Smalltalk inspired"

by Helge Nowak

In Germany we say "analogies limp". And so does the parents/child analogy for communities. Cheers Helge ________________________________ Von: Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> An: Richard Sargent <rsargent(a)5x5.on.ca> CC: Helge Nowak <hknowak(a)yahoo.de>; Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>; ESUG <esug-list(a)lists.esug.org>; "pharo-business(a)lists.pharo.org" <pharo-business(a)lists.pharo.org>; "pharo-consortium(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr" <pharo-consortium(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Gesendet: 21:22 Donnerstag, 31.Juli 2014 Betreff: Re: [Esug-list] "Pharo is Smalltalk inspired" ***THANKS*** for your great words. Indeed I have three boys and I expect them to be smarter and better than me (without having to kill me :)). some people forget that around the corner we have Javascript, Lua, Python, ruby and scala, dart…..and many others and such battles are far more important. Stef On 31 Jul 2014, at 18:10, Richard Sargent <rsargent(a)5x5.on.ca> wrote: In my opinion, this entire thread is based on an "argument from a false premise". "Pharo is not Smalltalk. Pharo is Smalltalk-inspired." My son is not me. He is inspired by me. Why would I want him to be "just like me"? My ambition is that he will be better than me. He has grown and left home. Does that mean he has divorced me? He doesn't want to be a programmer. Is that a bad thing? I feel like a family friend, watching a child grow into an adult. There is a sense of pride - vicarious - in watching Pharo's growth. The is a sense of anticipation of what Pharo's future will be. Am I concerned that this child will repudiate beliefs and behaviours I hold dear? Not in the least! It comes from good stock and it's being raised by a good and caring family. Go, Pharo! Fly! Show us what you can be. ----------------- Can we stop discussing "When did you stop beating your wife?" and resume discussing what Pharo should be (or become)? -------- Original message -------- From: Helge Nowak Date:2014/07/31 08:29 (GMT-08:00) To: Tudor Girba Cc: ESUG ,pharo-consortium@lists.gforge.inria.fr,pharo-business@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Esug-list] "Pharo is Smalltalk inspired" Dear Stef and Doru, what Doru is saying seems contradictory to what Stef does (or I do not understand one, or the both of you correctly): Doru says: "Pharo is not Smalltalk. Pharo is Smalltalk-inspired." Whereas Stef says "Pharo is to reinvent Smalltalk" and "I prefer that my students find a job in “Smalltalk”". From which I take that Stef sees himself and Pharo as part of the Smalltalk community. Something I had hoped to hear ;-) I am with Kent Pitman: "Smalltalk" is not technically defined but by the (sub-)communities and their values. The development of Smalltalk will never stop, each dialect may take its own path yet it will stay "Smalltalk" regardless of what you name it. Only if one thinks that being part of the Smalltalk community doesn't serve him/her well he/she will leave it. I don't see how Pharo and its community did a departure from the Smalltalk values and its overall community. And I hope this will stay that way. Cheers Helge Von: Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> An: Helge Nowak <hknowak(a)yahoo.de> CC: "pharo-business(a)lists.pharo.org" <pharo-business(a)lists.pharo.org>; "pharo-consortium(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr" <pharo-consortium(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>; ESUG <esug-list(a)lists.esug.org> Gesendet: 17:05 Donnerstag, 31.Juli 2014 Betreff: Re: [Esug-list] "Pharo is Smalltalk inspired" Hi, The official Pharo statement is clearly stated on the http://pharo.org/ webpage. This topic has been (re)discussed recently spawned by my original post on Pharo is Pharo: http://www.tudorgirba.com/blog/pharo-is-pharo You can choose to see in my words what you wish. I will choose to not fight it. I did it before and it lead nowhere. I will only state that we clearly want to position Pharo to build a future that we do not know at this point in time. Cheers, Doru Cheers, Doru On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Helge Nowak <hknowak(a)yahoo.de> wrote: Dear Pharoers, > >I stumbled upon Doru’s (BTW excellent, as usual) presentation on Live Objects at NDC 2014. In there he states “Pharo is Smalltalk inspired. … we want to point ourselves that we are Smalltalk inspired because we want to move towards the future”. This implies three things: > 1. Pharo is NOT Smalltalk > 2. All Smalltalks are not moving towards the future > 3. The Pharo community wants to get divorced from the community that gave them birth > > >I am wondering whether this is indeed the official position of the Pharo community? And how the Smalltalkers think about it. > >Cheers >Helge > > >_______________________________________________ >Esug-list mailing list >Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > -- http://www.tudorgirba.com/ "Every thing has its own flow" _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

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