February 2014 - Esug-list - lists.esug.org

Pharo on Raspberrypi

by Jean Baptiste Arnaud

Hi, so the VM Raspberry without the bug on Atomic operation (all semaphore are block) worked now. Here is a link: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/RaspberryPi/job/RaspberryPi-Cro… Here is a nice picture: Best Regards Jean Baptiste Arnaud Jean-Baptiste.Arnaud(a)inria.fr

Feb. 18, 2014

Fwd: [Evol] phd position and postdoc visits - evolving software ecosystems research

by Stéphane Ducasse

Begin forwarded message: > From: Tom Mens <tom.mens(a)umons.ac.be> > Subject: [Evol] phd position and postdoc visits - evolving software ecosystems research > Date: 14 Feb 2014 16:43:44 GMT+1 > To: ERCIM WG Software Evolution ERCIM WG Software Evolution Mailing List <evol(a)lists.inf.unisi.ch> > > Dear all, > > A PhD position as well as postdoc research visits are available at the Software Engineering Lab (Faculty of Science) of the University of Mons, Belgium. The goal is to collaborate and carry out research on the topic of empirical ecological studies of the evolution of open source software ecosystems (i.e. large collections of collaborating software projects and communities), by drawing inspiration from ecological measures and models used for studying biological ecosystems. This should lead us to better insight in, and support for, the survivability of software ecosystems and their constituent projects and contributors. > > The PhD position is available immediately. Candidates should be eligible for starting a PhD in Sciences (they should have a Master or Engineering degree or equivalent) a, should have practical programming experience, and should have a clear interest in biological and software engineering aspects. > > To apply for the PhD position of for carrying our a research visit, please send a mail (preferably together with a detailed CV and motivation letter) to Tom Mens (tom.mens(a)umons.ac.be) > > For more information, contact me directly, or visit > http://informatique.umons.ac.be/genlog/projects/ecos/ > > Best regards, > > Tom Mens > Software Engineering Lab > Faculty of Sciences > University of Mons > tom.mens(a)umons.ac.be > > > > _______________________________________________ > Evol mailing list > Evol(a)lists.inf.unisi.ch > http://lists.inf.unisi.ch/mailman/listinfo/evol

Feb. 14, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] SmalltalkHub is back online!

by Sean P. DeNigris

Nicolas Petton wrote > The server is accessible again! Thanks for staying on top of this, Nico! ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/SmalltalkHub-is-back-online-tp4742788p4743058.html Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Feb. 12, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] [squeak-dev] Unethical behaviour on GSoC 2010 (was The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude)

by Stéphane Ducasse

Except that I’m now the devil from the eyes of Gilad. Superb. So the burn strategy of Janko worked perfectly. I do not know what he gained but we all lost. He seems to be a smart guy with which everybody wants to work with in the future. Michele also told me that: "you should not shit where you eat." and I think that this is an important point. > Fourth, it was the first time that ESUG participated to the Summer of Code, and the first time that Janko and you were administrating it. Errare humanum est. > > Perseverare, autem, diabolicum... > > Paolo > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Feb. 12, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] [squeak-dev] Unethical behaviour on GSoC 2010 (was The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude)

by Paolo Bonzini

Il 11/02/2014 22:42, Mariano Martinez Peck ha scritto: > > First, [...] > > Second, [...] > > Third, [...] Fourth, it was the first time that ESUG participated to the Summer of Code, and the first time that Janko and you were administrating it. Errare humanum est. Perseverare, autem, diabolicum... Paolo

Feb. 11, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] [squeak-dev] Unethical behaviour on GSoC 2010 (was The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude)

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi all, I was trying to keep aways from the discussion but now I am directly involved as the "co-admin" of GSoC 2010. First, Janko, I don't see at all your point here. Whether it was true or not, making this PUBLIC and NOW does not make sense. It only makes clear the only thing you want to do is to bash Stef. So it is clearly something personal. Second...I will tell you what I remember. I do remember Stef suggesting/complaining about Newspeak as well as other none-very-smalltalk-related projects (I don't remember which were the other). I remember Stef was not the only one, but most of the mentors agreed to the same. And in fact, it made sense. WE wanted to use ESUG infrastructure. That means using its resources, its setup, its administrator, accountant, etc. Do you think all this setup comes from free? So....even if it was not the case, but imagine for a second that ESUG has certain thoughts about being used as the GSoC organization, then I think we should listen and discuss to get to an agreement. Otherwise, it is easy, use your own organization and that's all. I am NOT saying we should do what ESUG says.... I am just saying ESUG board opinions should be considered along with the community if ESUG wants to be used as Mentoring Organization. Same reason if we would like to use Newspeak for some Smalltalk-related projects. Third, I never ever remember Stef "forcing" me to do that. I cannot remember more than a "recommendation". If there is something I did (I do not even remember), I did it myself. But again... I really don't understand at all why this discussion now.... On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si>wrote: > Time therefore to expose that sad story from GSoC 2010. So that the > community can judge by themselves if my claims are insults or real. > > For the start, this was not a money matter but meddling into project > selection process. > > Here is the story: > > On GSoC 2010 Gilad Bracha proposed a Newspeak/Smalltalk Import/Export > Tool project idea [1]. After the idea was put on ideas list [2], > Stéphane Ducasse ordered my co-admin to remove Gilad's idea from the > list. Co-admin told that to me. I was shocked that someone can come to > such an idea to remove something even in the idea phase from the GSoC. > Of course I rejected such an order immediately. > > Even more, co-admin was at that time just starting the postgraduade > study under the Mr.Ducasse mentorship. You can imagine how he felt, like > between two fires. It is reasonable therefore to suspect that Mr.Duccase > uses his power as a mentor over postgraduate student to try to achieve > his goal. > > What was the motivation of Mr.Ducasse to made such a blatant act was not > quite clear to me. And is also not important. Important is that such > removal attempts are totally unacceptable. Only GSoC mentors have that > right by reviewing and voting on the projects to be finally selected for > stipendiums. > > In any case, this incident was a start of my thinking and working on > GSoC to be as transparent, neutral and independent as possible. > > Best regards > Janko > > [1] http://gsoc2010.esug.org/projects/newspeak-tool > [2] http://gsoc2010.esug.org/ideas > > > > > Dne 10. 02. 2014 15:30, piše Stéphane Ducasse: > > I can tell you that until now I took that as a little crisis of Janko > but now this makes me sick. > > I do not think that I will stand in the same room than him in the future. > > > > Sorry Janko you are insulting people publicly but you mention that you > don't. > > I will check if I have a lawyer to handle this situation because you > cannot have just words against me. > > I will check with the inria lawyer first. > > > > Stef > > > > > > > >> I do not understand the motivation of Janko, especially since he is > apparently alone to think that way. > >> It is impressive to see how fragile the community is. > >> Thanks Paolo and thanks the ESUG board for handling this difficult > situation! > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Alexandre > >> > >> > >> On Feb 10, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > >> > >>> I support it, too. > >>> > >>> The only path to action I see is to act. And in this situation, Paolo > was the only one that offered a pragmatic way out. Thank you, Paolo! :) > >>> > >>> So, I suggest this: > >>> - we take Marcus' suggestion and have the present issue be handled at > the next ESUG general assembly. Like this we ensure that the problem is > going to be addressed in a more effective environment (namely, more > structured, and not via mail). > >>> - we go forward with Paolo as an admin. Like this we ensure that > action happens now. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Doru > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Esteban Lorenzano < > estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> I support this, along with a general require that you keep this > discussion in private. > >>> > >>> Esteban > >>> > >>> On 10 Feb 2014, at 12:10, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I no longer have confidence in Janko running as GSoC admin > >>>> and want Paolo to take over as admin for Esug as mentoring > organisation. > >>>> > >>>> Stephan Eggermont > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Esug-list mailing list > >>>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > >>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Esug-list mailing list > >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> www.tudorgirba.com > >>> > >>> "Every thing has its own flow" > >> > >> -- > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > Janko Mivšek > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Feb. 11, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk dialects and GSoC

by Reinout Heeck

On 2/11/2014 6:29 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > I didn't said it's easy to correctly/perfectly draw a line. But you > have to draw it Hi Igor, I want to draw your attention to the fact that this is black-and-white thinking. We don't need that in a dynamic environment, we can postpone the decision of where that line is till way after we start running the code. We can implement it in the debugger if an exception is risen and ignore it if no exception is risen. We can even decide to not implement it all and merely tweak the values of variables in the debugger each and every every time we see an UHE, no line needed at all then... :-) Reinout -------

Feb. 11, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk dialects and GSoC

by Paolo Bonzini

Il 11/02/2014 18:29, Igor Stasenko ha scritto: > > Right. I didn't said it's easy to correctly/perfectly draw a line. But > you have to draw it.. and once you did, you will always have chances to > find someone left aboard and screaming about bias and blatantly > unethical behavior, instead of peacefully discussing and providing > arguments. > > > With my GNU Smalltalk hat on, I would redirect VM ideas to the GNU > organization, and only use ESUG slots for projects that have more > porting potential. But I understand that not all dialects have the > same opportunity. > > No, i think any Smalltalk VM is clearly a good topic to run under ESUG > umbrella. Exactly---that would be *my* choice as GNU Smalltalk maintainer. Other Smalltalk VMs are definitely welcome. Paolo

Feb. 11, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk dialects and GSoC

by Igor Stasenko

On 11 February 2014 18:08, Paolo Bonzini <bonzini(a)gnu.org> wrote: > Il 11/02/2014 17:53, Bert Freudenberg ha scritto: > >> I think a Newspeak<->Smalltalk translator, written in Smalltalk, would be >>> eligible for GSoC under the ESUG organization. >>> >>> If it were to be written in Newspeak, I would still want to have it >>> in the ideas list. Perhaps the student itself could propose to use >>> Smalltalk instead, or it could be a backup in case we lose a student due >>> to conflicts with other organizations. However, the chances for it to >>> get into the program would be slimmer. >>> >> >> How about a project for a new or extended Smalltalk VM? Written in >> non-Smalltalk, but running a Smalltalk, e.g. Squeak? >> > > Of course, everything must be considered on a case-by-case basis. There > is no hard and fast rule. > > Right. I didn't said it's easy to correctly/perfectly draw a line. But you have to draw it.. and once you did, you will always have chances to find someone left aboard and screaming about bias and blatantly unethical behavior, instead of peacefully discussing and providing arguments. > With my GNU Smalltalk hat on, I would redirect VM ideas to the GNU > organization, and only use ESUG slots for projects that have more porting > potential. But I understand that not all dialects have the same > opportunity. > > No, i think any Smalltalk VM is clearly a good topic to run under ESUG umbrella. > > Paolo > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Feb. 11, 2014

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk dialects and GSoC

by Paolo Bonzini

Il 11/02/2014 17:53, Bert Freudenberg ha scritto: >> I think a Newspeak<->Smalltalk translator, written in Smalltalk, would be eligible for GSoC under the ESUG organization. >> >> If it were to be written in Newspeak, I would still want to have it >> in the ideas list. Perhaps the student itself could propose to use >> Smalltalk instead, or it could be a backup in case we lose a student due >> to conflicts with other organizations. However, the chances for it to >> get into the program would be slimmer. > > How about a project for a new or extended Smalltalk VM? Written in > non-Smalltalk, but running a Smalltalk, e.g. Squeak? Of course, everything must be considered on a case-by-case basis. There is no hard and fast rule. With my GNU Smalltalk hat on, I would redirect VM ideas to the GNU organization, and only use ESUG slots for projects that have more porting potential. But I understand that not all dialects have the same opportunity. Paolo

Feb. 11, 2014