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Re: [Esug-list] About Sport licenses

by Philippe Marschall

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi Sport contributors > > Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a > Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because it > uses Sport and Sport is licensed under > LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce if > Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his > answer: > > Steph, > > We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in > principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects was > written by different people. > > Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. > > So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we can > get a dual license LGPL/MIT. Should I ever have contributed I agree to dual- or relicensing. Cheers Philippe

July 18, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] About Sport licenses

by Paolo Bonzini

Il 18/07/2013 12:19, Stéphane Ducasse ha scritto: > Hi Sport contributors > > Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a > Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because > it uses Sport and Sport is licensed under > LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce > if Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his > answer: > >> Steph, >> >> We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in >> principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects >> was written by different people. >> >> Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. >> > So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we > can get a dual license LGPL/MIT. I agree to MIT relicensing of all LGPL Smalltalk code I've ever written (_not_ GPL, that's another story). Paolo > And yes I'm nervous about mixing licenses in an image-based system that > a infinite minority > of programmers understand or even know. > > Stef > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >

July 18, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] About Sport licenses

by Damien Cassou

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > And yes I'm nervous about mixing licenses in an image-based system that a > infinite minority > of programmers understand or even know. I think that, in theory, mixing LGPL (which is much less strict than GPL) and MIT is authorized. Still, it is simpler if everything is of the same license, I agree. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

July 18, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] About Sport licenses

by Dale K. Henrichs

I have ported SPORT to GemStone and I am in favor of an MIT license... Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: "esug-list(a)lists.esug.org Members" <esug-list(a)lists.esug.org> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 3:19:36 AM Subject: [Esug-list] About Sport licenses Hi Sport contributors Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because it uses Sport and Sport is licensed under LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce if Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his answer: <blockquote> Steph, We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects was written by different people. Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we can get a dual license LGPL/MIT. And yes I'm nervous about mixing licenses in an image-based system that a infinite minority of programmers understand or even know. Stef _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org </blockquote>

July 18, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] About Sport licenses

by Leandro Caniglia

I've made some small contributions to SPort in the past, so please have my authorization to change the license if needed. leandro caniglia ph.d. | chief technologist | caesar systems | accelerate confidently lcaniglia(a)caesarsystems.com | t: +1.281.598.8810 +1.281.617.2972 +54.11.4389.0126 | blog.caesarsystems.com | www.caesarsystems.com This message and any attached documents contain information from Caesar Systems LLC that may be confidential/trade secret and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or use this information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or by reply e-mail and then delete this message. On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > thanks Janko :) > > > On Jul 18, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> > wrote: > > > Hi Stef, > > > > I as a porter od Sport to Squeak/Pharo am all for Sport to be MIT > > licensed. As I understand past conversations with Bruce the dialect > > porter/maintainer approval is then a satisfying condition for Sport on > > Squeak/Pharo to be MIT licensed. > > > > Best regards > > Janko > > > > Dne 18. 07. 2013 12:19, piše Stéphane Ducasse: > >> Hi Sport contributors > >> > >> Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a > >> Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because > >> it uses Sport and Sport is licensed under > >> LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce > >> if Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his > >> answer: > >> > >>> Steph, > >>> > >>> We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in > >>> principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects > >>> was written by different people. > >>> > >>> Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. > >>> > >> So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we > >> can get a dual license LGPL/MIT. > >> > >> And yes I'm nervous about mixing licenses in an image-based system that > >> a infinite minority > >> of programmers understand or even know. > >> > >> Stef > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Esug-list mailing list > >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >> > > > > -- > > Janko Mivšek > > Aida/Web > > Smalltalk Web Application Server > > http://www.aidaweb.si > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >

July 18, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] About Sport licenses

by Stéphane Ducasse

thanks Janko :) On Jul 18, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: > Hi Stef, > > I as a porter od Sport to Squeak/Pharo am all for Sport to be MIT > licensed. As I understand past conversations with Bruce the dialect > porter/maintainer approval is then a satisfying condition for Sport on > Squeak/Pharo to be MIT licensed. > > Best regards > Janko > > Dne 18. 07. 2013 12:19, piše Stéphane Ducasse: >> Hi Sport contributors >> >> Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a >> Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because >> it uses Sport and Sport is licensed under >> LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce >> if Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his >> answer: >> >>> Steph, >>> >>> We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in >>> principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects >>> was written by different people. >>> >>> Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. >>> >> So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we >> can get a dual license LGPL/MIT. >> >> And yes I'm nervous about mixing licenses in an image-based system that >> a infinite minority >> of programmers understand or even know. >> >> Stef >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> > > -- > Janko Mivšek > Aida/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

July 18, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] About Sport licenses

by Janko Mivšek

Hi Stef, I as a porter od Sport to Squeak/Pharo am all for Sport to be MIT licensed. As I understand past conversations with Bruce the dialect porter/maintainer approval is then a satisfying condition for Sport on Squeak/Pharo to be MIT licensed. Best regards Janko Dne 18. 07. 2013 12:19, piše Stéphane Ducasse: > Hi Sport contributors > > Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a > Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because > it uses Sport and Sport is licensed under > LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce > if Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his > answer: > >> Steph, >> >> We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in >> principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects >> was written by different people. >> >> Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. >> > So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we > can get a dual license LGPL/MIT. > > And yes I'm nervous about mixing licenses in an image-based system that > a infinite minority > of programmers understand or even know. > > Stef > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

July 18, 2013

About Sport licenses

by Stéphane Ducasse

Hi Sport contributors Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because it uses Sport and Sport is licensed under LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce if Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his answer: > Steph, > > We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects was written by different people. > > Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. > So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we can get a dual license LGPL/MIT. And yes I'm nervous about mixing licenses in an image-based system that a infinite minority of programmers understand or even know. Stef

July 18, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] [smaltalk-gsoc-students] 17 GSoC projects accepted

by Bernard Pottier

Le 15/07/13 14:28, Nicolas Petton a écrit : > Salut Bernard, > > Je comprend pas trop ta réponse ni le rapport avec un étudiant du GSoC... > > Oh, and ESUG ML is an english speaking mailing list ;) > > nico Désolé, je ne sais pas le dire en breton, petit, ou grand. Bonnes réunions. Bernard Pottier > On Jul 14, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Pottier Bernard <bernard.pottier(a)univ-brest.fr> wrote: > >> >> Bonjour, >> >> Je vais me désabonner car j'en ai marre de voir >> mon langage favori (mais non exclusif) spolié par >> du baratin 'geek" sans intérêt. >> >> Si certains d'entre vous restent motivé par l'avenir >> de la programmation objet, il faut regarder du côté >> du parallélisme massif, et cela commence par >> l'implantation de compilateurs SIMD (NVidia-- CUDA, >> par exemple). >> >> Ici, beaucoup de baratins et de discours, et rien d'efficace, >> il est vrai que l'ANR Francaise et la communauté St >> n'ont pas du tout aidé. Cela s'apparente à un comportement >> sectaire. >> >> Adieu va, >> >> Je reste avec mon horizon de Smalltalk, les systèmes >> embarqués, le distribué, et le calcul parallèle. Plus, >> à qui veut en savoir plus, mon adresse est en dessous. >> Je suis un chercheur actif, qui a des objectifs scientifiques. >> >> Bernard Pottier >> Université de Brest. >> pottier(a)univ-brest.fr >> mob : 0681662693 >> >> >> >> >> >> Le 14/07/2013 20:18, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : >>> On Jul 12, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Matthias Springer <me(a)matthiasspringer.de> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> as Stef suggested, I created a blog for my GSoC project (Athens HTML5 Canvas). I plan to write a status update at the end of every week. Feel free to look around and share your ideas if you are interested in this. >>>> >>>> http://amber-athens.m-sp.org/ >>> Superb!!! >>> >>> Stef >>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Matthias >>>> >>>> On 05/28/2013 10:17 AM, Janko Mivšek wrote: >>>> >>>>> - Athens implementation in Amber with HTML5 Canvas >>>>> by Matthias Springer, mentor Nicolas Petton >>>>> http://gsoc2013.esug.org/projects/athens-html5-canvas >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Matthias Springer >>>> >>>> Student B.Sc. IT Systems Engineering (Hasso Plattner Institute) >>>> me(a)m-sp.org * +49-1577-3814255 * Feldweg 4, 85391 Unterkienberg, DE >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Smalltalk GSoC students" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to smalltalk-gsoc-students+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- > Nicolas Petton > http://www.nicolas-petton.fr > > >

July 15, 2013

Re: [Esug-list] [smaltalk-gsoc-students] 17 GSoC projects accepted

by Nicolas Petton

Salut Bernard, Je comprend pas trop ta réponse ni le rapport avec un étudiant du GSoC... Oh, and ESUG ML is an english speaking mailing list ;) nico On Jul 14, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Pottier Bernard <bernard.pottier(a)univ-brest.fr> wrote: > > > Bonjour, > > Je vais me désabonner car j'en ai marre de voir > mon langage favori (mais non exclusif) spolié par > du baratin 'geek" sans intérêt. > > Si certains d'entre vous restent motivé par l'avenir > de la programmation objet, il faut regarder du côté > du parallélisme massif, et cela commence par > l'implantation de compilateurs SIMD (NVidia-- CUDA, > par exemple). > > Ici, beaucoup de baratins et de discours, et rien d'efficace, > il est vrai que l'ANR Francaise et la communauté St > n'ont pas du tout aidé. Cela s'apparente à un comportement > sectaire. > > Adieu va, > > Je reste avec mon horizon de Smalltalk, les systèmes > embarqués, le distribué, et le calcul parallèle. Plus, > à qui veut en savoir plus, mon adresse est en dessous. > Je suis un chercheur actif, qui a des objectifs scientifiques. > > Bernard Pottier > Université de Brest. > pottier(a)univ-brest.fr > mob : 0681662693 > > > > > > Le 14/07/2013 20:18, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : >> On Jul 12, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Matthias Springer <me(a)matthiasspringer.de> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> as Stef suggested, I created a blog for my GSoC project (Athens HTML5 Canvas). I plan to write a status update at the end of every week. Feel free to look around and share your ideas if you are interested in this. >>> >>> http://amber-athens.m-sp.org/ >> Superb!!! >> >> Stef >> >>> Best regards, >>> Matthias >>> >>> On 05/28/2013 10:17 AM, Janko Mivšek wrote: >>> >>>> - Athens implementation in Amber with HTML5 Canvas >>>> by Matthias Springer, mentor Nicolas Petton >>>> http://gsoc2013.esug.org/projects/athens-html5-canvas >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Matthias Springer >>> >>> Student B.Sc. IT Systems Engineering (Hasso Plattner Institute) >>> me(a)m-sp.org * +49-1577-3814255 * Feldweg 4, 85391 Unterkienberg, DE >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Smalltalk GSoC students" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to smalltalk-gsoc-students+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- Nicolas Petton http://www.nicolas-petton.fr

July 15, 2013