September 2011 - Esug-list

Re: [Esug-list] long ago morphic demos

by Bert Freudenberg

On 13.09.2011, at 13:55, David West wrote: > the early distributions of squeak included a project with several > morphic demos: clock, racetrack, lens, scrolling text through a > complicated space, etc. > > Are these still available somewhere? under what name? Hi David, earlier Squeak versions are available at http://ftp.squeak.org/ The projects you are looking for are e.g. in 3.6. This image still runs fine in a current 4.x VM (but not Cog). You can choose "save project as file" from the world menu. The resulting .pr file still works fine in e.g. the current Etoys release from http://squeakland.org/ A project does not contain the classes, just the objects on screen. As mentioned previously, these demos were made by constructing objects interactively, not code. If the image does not have the classes, you cannot load them. The Etoys line of images was developed with backwards-compatibility in mind, it still has all the necessary code, that's why it works. I'm pretty sure it would be reasonably simple to make it work in current Squeak too. E.g. when trying to load the project, it is missing the WatchMorph class. If you asked on the Squeak developers list, someone surely would know where we put those classes. Pharo discarded much more of the underlying machinery so I would guess it will be more work. - Bert -

Sept. 14, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] long ago morphic demos

by Francisco Garau

> > On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Francisco Garau wrote: > >> Maybe Fuel could help here, if back ported to Squeak 2.0 and serialising the projects. >> >> Oh, but it won't work if the text flow behaviour is not in the target image, of course. >> > IMHO (very humble): There are *far* more important things to do Totally agree.

Sept. 14, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] long ago morphic demos

by Marcus Denker

On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Francisco Garau wrote: > Maybe Fuel could help here, if back ported to Squeak 2.0 and serialising the projects. > > Oh, but it won't work if the text flow behaviour is not in the target image, of course. > IMHO (very humble): There are *far* more important things to do... Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Sept. 14, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] long ago morphic demos

by Francisco Garau

Maybe Fuel could help here, if back ported to Squeak 2.0 and serialising the projects. Oh, but it won't work if the text flow behaviour is not in the target image, of course. - Francisco On 14 Sep 2011, at 08:24, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:17 AM, Stan Shepherd wrote: > >> Hi David, >> you can try http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoMorphicExtras/ >> ...Stan >> > > I think was David means was the original Morphic Demo Project as it was shipped > with Squeak 2.0... > > With the Fabrik demo, the text-flow and things like that. > > These demos where not created by code but contructed (by a human) and just in the image as Projects. > > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Sept. 14, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] long ago morphic demos

by Marcus Denker

On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:17 AM, Stan Shepherd wrote: > Hi David, > you can try http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoMorphicExtras/ > ...Stan > I think was David means was the original Morphic Demo Project as it was shipped with Squeak 2.0... With the Fabrik demo, the text-flow and things like that. These demos where not created by code but contructed (by a human) and just in the image as Projects. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Sept. 14, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] long ago morphic demos

by Stan Shepherd

Hi David, you can try http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoMorphicExtras/ ...Stan -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/long-ago-morphic-demos-tp3811178p3811985.html Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 14, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] Bye, bye Jtalk... Hello Amber!

by stephane ducasse

welcome amber. Stef On Sep 14, 2011, at 12:35 AM, Nicolas Petton wrote: > As some of you may know there is a new Smalltalk in town - and up until > today it was called Jtalk. After a furious three week development > period > after the ESUG 2011 conference (where Jtalk raised some eyebrows) we > are > now making a first release humbly numbered 0.9. We are also taking the > opportunity to pick a slicker name for Jtalk - Amber! > > New website is at: > > http://www.amber-lang.net > > So, why would you take a look at Amber? > > In our opinion Amber is perfectly positioned for the HTML5 onslaught > and > the explosion of all-things-javascript like for example Nodejs. It is a > Smalltalk that plays well with others and can seamlessly use Javascript > libraries. > > At the same time Amber feels like a *real* Smalltalk, the environment > is > all there including Workspace, Transcript, Browser, > senders/implementors/references to class, TestRunner, Inspectors, code > editing with syntax coloring and a Debugger. There is no image, but all > compilation is incremental. > > Below follows a summary of the massive changes since ESUG that > triggered > us to make a first release. > > We hope you join us in developing Amber and having fun! There is > already > work being made in using Amber on top of Java using Rhino, using Amber > for making games and lots more. Fork at github, join in #amber-lang on > freenode and hop onto the mailing list. > > regards, Nicolas & Göran > > (and thanks to Laurent, David, Bernat, Stefan, Raimon, Alexandre, Dale, > Juraj, Ken, Pavel and everyone else that have been involved) > --------------------------------------- > > Language, compiler and runtime > > - New 100x faster parser built using PEGjs instead of the old parser > built using PetitParser. > - New much faster ChunkParser implementation in handwritten Amber > instead of using PetitParser. > - Improved parsing error report with quoted source code plus marker > pinpointing parsing error. > - Removed PetitParser since it is no longer needed by Amber itself. > - Added compiler optimizations in the form of speculative inlining of > specific messages and control structures. > - Added support for dynamic Arrays, just like in Squeak/Pharo. > - Added support for similar dynamic Dictionaries, not seen in other > Smalltalks. > - Added & and | as allowed binary selectors and implemented them in > Boolean. > - Added a Set implementation. > - Added basic support for Packages, dependency management coming soon. > > ...and various extensions, enhancements and bug fixes to the library > classes. > > > Development environment > > - A working Debugger with integrated inspector, proceed etc. > - A structure with multiple different Amber environments in different > directories. > - A working amberc command line compiler including a Makefile for > recompiling the whole Amber. > - Enabled TestRunner in the IDE for running unit tests based on SUnit. > - Added "File in" button in Workspace to easily paste and filein source > code in chunk format in the IDE. > - Added "Rename package" and "Remove package" buttons to browser that > use the new Package model. > - Added a standalone webDAV server in Amber so that it is simpler to > get > up and running and able to commit code locally. > > > Example code and ports > > - Ported ProfStef interactive tutorial, available on Amber homepage > (www.amber-lang.net/learn.html) but also in examples directory. > - Included the ESUG presentation as an example also in the examples > directory. > - Several new examples running on Node.js and webOS included, all with > Makefiles. > > > Various other things > > - Issue tracker on github now used as primary source, closed a bunch of > reported issues. > - Wiki pages on github with information on how to port code from other > Smalltalks, lists of articles, tutorials, roadmap and more. > > -- > Nicolas Petton > http://www.nicolas-petton.fr > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Sept. 14, 2011

Bye, bye Jtalk... Hello Amber!

by Nicolas Petton

As some of you may know there is a new Smalltalk in town - and up until today it was called Jtalk. After a furious three week development period after the ESUG 2011 conference (where Jtalk raised some eyebrows) we are now making a first release humbly numbered 0.9. We are also taking the opportunity to pick a slicker name for Jtalk - Amber! New website is at: http://www.amber-lang.net So, why would you take a look at Amber? In our opinion Amber is perfectly positioned for the HTML5 onslaught and the explosion of all-things-javascript like for example Nodejs. It is a Smalltalk that plays well with others and can seamlessly use Javascript libraries. At the same time Amber feels like a *real* Smalltalk, the environment is all there including Workspace, Transcript, Browser, senders/implementors/references to class, TestRunner, Inspectors, code editing with syntax coloring and a Debugger. There is no image, but all compilation is incremental. Below follows a summary of the massive changes since ESUG that triggered us to make a first release. We hope you join us in developing Amber and having fun! There is already work being made in using Amber on top of Java using Rhino, using Amber for making games and lots more. Fork at github, join in #amber-lang on freenode and hop onto the mailing list. regards, Nicolas & Göran (and thanks to Laurent, David, Bernat, Stefan, Raimon, Alexandre, Dale, Juraj, Ken, Pavel and everyone else that have been involved) --------------------------------------- Language, compiler and runtime - New 100x faster parser built using PEGjs instead of the old parser built using PetitParser. - New much faster ChunkParser implementation in handwritten Amber instead of using PetitParser. - Improved parsing error report with quoted source code plus marker pinpointing parsing error. - Removed PetitParser since it is no longer needed by Amber itself. - Added compiler optimizations in the form of speculative inlining of specific messages and control structures. - Added support for dynamic Arrays, just like in Squeak/Pharo. - Added support for similar dynamic Dictionaries, not seen in other Smalltalks. - Added & and | as allowed binary selectors and implemented them in Boolean. - Added a Set implementation. - Added basic support for Packages, dependency management coming soon. ...and various extensions, enhancements and bug fixes to the library classes. Development environment - A working Debugger with integrated inspector, proceed etc. - A structure with multiple different Amber environments in different directories. - A working amberc command line compiler including a Makefile for recompiling the whole Amber. - Enabled TestRunner in the IDE for running unit tests based on SUnit. - Added "File in" button in Workspace to easily paste and filein source code in chunk format in the IDE. - Added "Rename package" and "Remove package" buttons to browser that use the new Package model. - Added a standalone webDAV server in Amber so that it is simpler to get up and running and able to commit code locally. Example code and ports - Ported ProfStef interactive tutorial, available on Amber homepage (www.amber-lang.net/learn.html) but also in examples directory. - Included the ESUG presentation as an example also in the examples directory. - Several new examples running on Node.js and webOS included, all with Makefiles. Various other things - Issue tracker on github now used as primary source, closed a bunch of reported issues. - Wiki pages on github with information on how to port code from other Smalltalks, lists of articles, tutorials, roadmap and more. -- Nicolas Petton http://www.nicolas-petton.fr

Sept. 13, 2011

long ago morphic demos

by David West

the early distributions of squeak included a project with several morphic demos: clock, racetrack, lens, scrolling text through a complicated space, etc. Are these still available somewhere? under what name? Or, do I have to load and old version and file-out? thanks davew

Sept. 13, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] Will Google's Dart be the next Smalltalk?

by Francisco Garau

It looks like a credible internal memo http://pastebin.com/NUMTTrKj - Francisco On 13 Sep 2011, at 12:26, Nick Ager <nick.ager(a)gmail.com> wrote: > A little more information I've found: http://markmail.org/message/uro3jtoitlmq6x7t > > On 11 September 2011 00:13, James Ladd <james_ladd(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > we should petition them to support Smalltalk not a new language. > > > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 14:42:56 -0500 > > From: agarcia(a)tdexa.com > > CC: esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Will Google's Dart be the next Smalltalk? > > > > > Interesting comment. > > > > I was extrapolating from the idea that SUN's support for java is what > > made it successful > > despite it was obsolete from the beginning. > > > > Also what Microsoft did with C# > > > > So a Smalltalk like language with the support from Google would be nice > > and with lots of potential to become a commercial success... > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Philippe Marschall > > <philippe.marschall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2011/9/9 Alejandro Garcia <agarcia(a)tdexa.com>: > > >> oh please... please God > > >> an Smalltalk like language > > >> with the corporate sponsorship > > >> of a gigant like Google... > > >> > > >> Would be amazing > > > > > > The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and > > > expecting different results. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Philippe > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Sept. 13, 2011