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Re: [Esug-list] [squeak-dev] [ANN] ESUG supports once again SqueakDBX

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)elte.hu> wrote: > On Fri, 4 Mar 2011, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > We are really happy to announce that ESUG will sponsor us once again >> through >> the ESUG Summer Talk project. This means that we have reached the ESUG >> expectations and that they still think that relational database access is >> an >> important matter in Smalltalk. >> > > snip > > 5) Cog compatibility. >> > > What has to be done? > > Indeed, nothing. We were not sure if FFI was working on it, but it turns out that it was. The idea is to be aware if Eliot releases a threaded VM/FFI so that we do not lock the VM (even if we have our micro-lock strategy when possible) > > >> 6) Use Alien instead of FFI. >> Eliot is working on a threaded CogVM. One of the projects of the GSoC of >> this year was to make something similar to a threaded FFI. What the >> student >> did is a modification in Alien (I think) that can be run in a >> multithreaded >> envirorment. He worked with Eliot. The idea is when Eliot releases the >> threaded CogVM, this FFI would work our of the box, and would avoid >> locking >> the WHOLE vm while a C function is being invoked (as it happens today with >> FFI).....So....when that VM is released, we MUST migrate to that). >> > > How is Alien better than FFI? We do not know. However, we will not spend time in Alien unless it is working out of the box and integrated in all standard VMs. > AFAIK Alien itself is not developed anymore, > parts of it will be merged with FFI. > > Ahh ok, we didn't know. Thnkas. > > Levente > > P.S.: http://www.squeaksource.com/SqueakDBX.html states that code in the > repository has MIT license, but it includes Glorp which has LGPL(S) license. > > Yes, the problem is that SqueakDBX as itself (the database driver), is MIT. Thus, the repository is MIT. Glorp is LGPL. When we started (years after SqueakDBX) with GlorpDBX, we found it easier to commit our changes to SqueakDBX repo instead of the Glorp one (because not everybody may agree with our changes). The good news is that Alan Night was considering making Glorp MIT. I cc'ed him to see if there are news. Cheers Mariano

March 6, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] [squeak-dev] [ANN] ESUG supports once againSqueakDBX

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Carlos Crosetti < carlos.crosetti(a)mostar.com.ar> wrote: > My 10 cents to the SqueakDBX list of actions...... > > Long time ago, when I learnt about the VW UI Builder, I attempted to run an > existing sample code that was basically a dataset widget browsing a > collection of objects, and then I wrote some code to make them persistent > using ObjectLens and Oracle. > > Later on time, I would say 12+ years later, I learnt about GLORP and wrote > a morphic-based dialog to do the most simple CRUD model to teach myself > persisting objects into PostgreSQL using Glorp and a GUI. > > My suggestion to the SqueakDBX team is to incllude a working sample but > this time based on the Morphic UI Designer. > Got it. And what about Seaside for example? Few years back, we used to have a Seaside + GlorpDBX + SqueakDBX example that we used for the university thesis. However, I guess it is quite outdated and note sure if it works. But maybe we should do that. I think it is a good idea. In addition, we can use the same example for the PBE chapter. Finally, I remember an ESUG project which idea was a open source application based in pharo, seaside, glorp, etc, to use as an example/learning. I don't remember the name right now....but it would be awesome if that app could be changed to use GlorpDBX + SqueakDBX instead :) thanks mariano > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > *To:* Germán Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com> > *Cc:* ESUG Mailing list <esug-list(a)lists.esug.org> ; A friendly place > where any question about pharo is welcome<pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>; Pharo > Development <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> ; The general-purpose > Squeak developers list <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2011 7:53 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Esug-list] [squeak-dev] [ANN] ESUG supports once > againSqueakDBX > > > > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Germán Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Certainly all the Smalltalk community should thank ESUG by the >> continous support to lot of initiatives. >> >> > And to ESUG sponsors :) > and ESUG conference attendees...and...and..lots of people :) > > >> Thanks ESUG. >> >> >> 2011/3/4 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> > We are really happy to announce that ESUG will sponsor us once again >> through >> > the ESUG Summer Talk project. This means that we have reached the ESUG >> > expectations and that they still think that relational database access >> is an >> > important matter in Smalltalk. >> > >> > One important thing is that we are going to rename the project (we are >> still >> > working on it) since SqueakDBX runs not only in Squeak but also in >> Pharo, >> > and there have been even ports to Dolphin. What's the reason for this >> > decision? Because we do not want to couple ourselves to a smalltalk >> dialect >> > nor to OpenDBX, because our project is much more than that (later I will >> > tell you about our plans). So, these are some of the possible names: >> > ObjectPark, SmallParking, Parktalk, SmallValet, Valetalk, ValetST, >> > NorayTalk, Ballard, Noray and Cruise. Please let us know which one is >> your >> > favourite or help us find a new one. >> > >> > Another important subject is the team. There will be three "mentors", >> > Esteban Lorenzano, Diogenes Moreira and myself, Mariano Martinez Peck; >> and >> > three students: Guillermo Polito, Nicolas Scarcella and Santiago >> Bragagnolo. >> > >> > We are open to suggestions and ideas. In addition, we have defined a >> > possible list of actions that I copy at the end of the email. >> > >> > For the moment, the url remains www.squeakdbx.org and the mailing >> > list squeakdbx(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org >> > >> > Once again, we want to thank ESUG for their support and trust. >> > >> > Thank you very much, >> > >> > SqueakDBX team >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Possible list of actions: >> > >> > 1) Change SqueakDBX’s name. >> > >> > 2) Update GLORP version since the actual one is 3 years old. >> > >> > Port it again from VisualWorks, create a VW porting tool (may be). >> > Complete support to Glorp. Today it works with PostgreSQL, Oracle and >> > MySQL. Make it work with most databases OpenDBX supports. >> > >> > 3) Create a lightweight solution, alternatively to GLORP. There are >> some >> > options: >> > >> > Make SqueakSave work with SqueakDBX. SqueakSave developers already >> > contacted us because they wanted to do it. SqueakSave seems to be 20% >> slower >> > than Glorp but you don't need to write the mappings :) >> > Adapt Ramon Leon's active record to use an abstract database driver, and >> > create a driver for SqueakDBX. >> > Port the new Glorp’s kind of active record to Pharo. (included in 2). >> > >> > 4) Write a Pharo By Example 2 chapter based on the card game Stef built >> ;). >> > >> > 5) Cog compatibility. >> > >> > 6) Use Alien instead of FFI. >> > Eliot is working on a threaded CogVM. One of the projects of the GSoC of >> > this year was to make something similar to a threaded FFI. What the >> student >> > did is a modification in Alien (I think) that can be run in a >> multithreaded >> > envirorment. He worked with Eliot. The idea is when Eliot releases the >> > threaded CogVM, this FFI would work our of the box, and would avoid >> locking >> > the WHOLE vm while a C function is being invoked (as it happens today >> with >> > FFI).....So....when that VM is released, we MUST migrate to that). >> > >> > 7) Explore performance issues (maybe with our approach of "In thread >> > execution plugin"). >> > >> > 8) Complete integration with OpenDBX. For example, Oracle, for large >> objects >> > (Clob, Blob, etc) use specific functions. There are specific functions >> in >> > OpenDBX that have to be used if the database uses specific functions >> (oracle >> > is the only one for the moment.). We don't manage those functions yet. >> > >> > 9) In this link http://www.squeakdbx.org/Targets%20and%20Features >> > You can see a list of future possible features like Connection pooling >> (now >> > it is done!), Prepared statement interface, Store procedures, Escape and >> > avoid of SQL insertion, Authentication support: extends to other >> methods, >> > not only user/password, Full text support, etc. >> > >> > >> > >> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >

March 5, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] [ANN] ESUG supports once again SqueakDBX

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I understand the reasoning behind the name change but I am unsure about > some > of the possible names. > > Since it is a Smalltalk solution to access relational databases the first > name that popped in my head was something like "RDBTalk" > > Thanks Geert. We will take all suggetions into account. We received several private emails also. > > Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > ... > > So, these are some of the possible names: > > ObjectPark > > SmallParking > > Parktalk > > SmallValet > > Valetalk > > ValetST, > > NorayTalk > > Ballard > > Noray > > Cruise > > .. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/ANN-ESUG-supports-once-again-SqueakDBX-tp3334862p3335… > Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >

March 5, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] [squeak-dev] [ANN] ESUG supports once againSqueakDBX

by Carlos Crosetti

My 10 cents to the SqueakDBX list of actions...... Long time ago, when I learnt about the VW UI Builder, I attempted to run an existing sample code that was basically a dataset widget browsing a collection of objects, and then I wrote some code to make them persistent using ObjectLens and Oracle. Later on time, I would say 12+ years later, I learnt about GLORP and wrote a morphic-based dialog to do the most simple CRUD model to teach myself persisting objects into PostgreSQL using Glorp and a GUI. My suggestion to the SqueakDBX team is to incllude a working sample but this time based on the Morphic UI Designer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mariano Martinez Peck To: Germán Arduino Cc: ESUG Mailing list ; A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome ; Pharo Development ; The general-purpose Squeak developers list Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [Esug-list] [squeak-dev] [ANN] ESUG supports once againSqueakDBX On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Germán Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com> wrote: Certainly all the Smalltalk community should thank ESUG by the continous support to lot of initiatives. And to ESUG sponsors :) and ESUG conference attendees...and...and..lots of people :) Thanks ESUG. 2011/3/4 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > We are really happy to announce that ESUG will sponsor us once again through > the ESUG Summer Talk project. This means that we have reached the ESUG > expectations and that they still think that relational database access is an > important matter in Smalltalk. > > One important thing is that we are going to rename the project (we are still > working on it) since SqueakDBX runs not only in Squeak but also in Pharo, > and there have been even ports to Dolphin. What's the reason for this > decision? Because we do not want to couple ourselves to a smalltalk dialect > nor to OpenDBX, because our project is much more than that (later I will > tell you about our plans). So, these are some of the possible names: > ObjectPark, SmallParking, Parktalk, SmallValet, Valetalk, ValetST, > NorayTalk, Ballard, Noray and Cruise. Please let us know which one is your > favourite or help us find a new one. > > Another important subject is the team. There will be three "mentors", > Esteban Lorenzano, Diogenes Moreira and myself, Mariano Martinez Peck; and > three students: Guillermo Polito, Nicolas Scarcella and Santiago Bragagnolo. > > We are open to suggestions and ideas. In addition, we have defined a > possible list of actions that I copy at the end of the email. > > For the moment, the url remains www.squeakdbx.org and the mailing > list squeakdbx(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > Once again, we want to thank ESUG for their support and trust. > > Thank you very much, > > SqueakDBX team > > > > > > Possible list of actions: > > 1) Change SqueakDBX’s name. > > 2) Update GLORP version since the actual one is 3 years old. > > Port it again from VisualWorks, create a VW porting tool (may be). > Complete support to Glorp. Today it works with PostgreSQL, Oracle and > MySQL. Make it work with most databases OpenDBX supports. > > 3) Create a lightweight solution, alternatively to GLORP. There are some > options: > > Make SqueakSave work with SqueakDBX. SqueakSave developers already > contacted us because they wanted to do it. SqueakSave seems to be 20% slower > than Glorp but you don't need to write the mappings :) > Adapt Ramon Leon's active record to use an abstract database driver, and > create a driver for SqueakDBX. > Port the new Glorp’s kind of active record to Pharo. (included in 2). > > 4) Write a Pharo By Example 2 chapter based on the card game Stef built ;). > > 5) Cog compatibility. > > 6) Use Alien instead of FFI. > Eliot is working on a threaded CogVM. One of the projects of the GSoC of > this year was to make something similar to a threaded FFI. What the student > did is a modification in Alien (I think) that can be run in a multithreaded > envirorment. He worked with Eliot. The idea is when Eliot releases the > threaded CogVM, this FFI would work our of the box, and would avoid locking > the WHOLE vm while a C function is being invoked (as it happens today with > FFI).....So....when that VM is released, we MUST migrate to that). > > 7) Explore performance issues (maybe with our approach of "In thread > execution plugin"). > > 8) Complete integration with OpenDBX. For example, Oracle, for large objects > (Clob, Blob, etc) use specific functions. There are specific functions in > OpenDBX that have to be used if the database uses specific functions (oracle > is the only one for the moment.). We don't manage those functions yet. > > 9) In this link http://www.squeakdbx.org/Targets%20and%20Features > You can see a list of future possible features like Connection pooling (now > it is done!), Prepared statement interface, Store procedures, Escape and > avoid of SQL insertion, Authentication support: extends to other methods, > not only user/password, Full text support, etc. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

March 5, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] [ANN] ESUG supports once again SqueakDBX

by Geert Claes

I understand the reasoning behind the name change but I am unsure about some of the possible names. Since it is a Smalltalk solution to access relational databases the first name that popped in my head was something like "RDBTalk" Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > ... > So, these are some of the possible names: > ObjectPark > SmallParking > Parktalk > SmallValet > Valetalk > ValetST, > NorayTalk > Ballard > Noray > Cruise > .. > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-ESUG-supports-once-again-SqueakDBX-tp3334862p3335… Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 4, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] [squeak-dev] [ANN] ESUG supports once again SqueakDBX

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Germán Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Certainly all the Smalltalk community should thank ESUG by the > continous support to lot of initiatives. > > And to ESUG sponsors :) and ESUG conference attendees...and...and..lots of people :) > Thanks ESUG. > > > 2011/3/4 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > We are really happy to announce that ESUG will sponsor us once again > through > > the ESUG Summer Talk project. This means that we have reached the ESUG > > expectations and that they still think that relational database access is > an > > important matter in Smalltalk. > > > > One important thing is that we are going to rename the project (we are > still > > working on it) since SqueakDBX runs not only in Squeak but also in Pharo, > > and there have been even ports to Dolphin. What's the reason for this > > decision? Because we do not want to couple ourselves to a smalltalk > dialect > > nor to OpenDBX, because our project is much more than that (later I will > > tell you about our plans). So, these are some of the possible names: > > ObjectPark, SmallParking, Parktalk, SmallValet, Valetalk, ValetST, > > NorayTalk, Ballard, Noray and Cruise. Please let us know which one is > your > > favourite or help us find a new one. > > > > Another important subject is the team. There will be three "mentors", > > Esteban Lorenzano, Diogenes Moreira and myself, Mariano Martinez Peck; > and > > three students: Guillermo Polito, Nicolas Scarcella and Santiago > Bragagnolo. > > > > We are open to suggestions and ideas. In addition, we have defined a > > possible list of actions that I copy at the end of the email. > > > > For the moment, the url remains www.squeakdbx.org and the mailing > > list squeakdbx(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > > > Once again, we want to thank ESUG for their support and trust. > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > SqueakDBX team > > > > > > > > > > > > Possible list of actions: > > > > 1) Change SqueakDBX’s name. > > > > 2) Update GLORP version since the actual one is 3 years old. > > > > Port it again from VisualWorks, create a VW porting tool (may be). > > Complete support to Glorp. Today it works with PostgreSQL, Oracle and > > MySQL. Make it work with most databases OpenDBX supports. > > > > 3) Create a lightweight solution, alternatively to GLORP. There are some > > options: > > > > Make SqueakSave work with SqueakDBX. SqueakSave developers already > > contacted us because they wanted to do it. SqueakSave seems to be 20% > slower > > than Glorp but you don't need to write the mappings :) > > Adapt Ramon Leon's active record to use an abstract database driver, and > > create a driver for SqueakDBX. > > Port the new Glorp’s kind of active record to Pharo. (included in 2). > > > > 4) Write a Pharo By Example 2 chapter based on the card game Stef built > ;). > > > > 5) Cog compatibility. > > > > 6) Use Alien instead of FFI. > > Eliot is working on a threaded CogVM. One of the projects of the GSoC of > > this year was to make something similar to a threaded FFI. What the > student > > did is a modification in Alien (I think) that can be run in a > multithreaded > > envirorment. He worked with Eliot. The idea is when Eliot releases the > > threaded CogVM, this FFI would work our of the box, and would avoid > locking > > the WHOLE vm while a C function is being invoked (as it happens today > with > > FFI).....So....when that VM is released, we MUST migrate to that). > > > > 7) Explore performance issues (maybe with our approach of "In thread > > execution plugin"). > > > > 8) Complete integration with OpenDBX. For example, Oracle, for large > objects > > (Clob, Blob, etc) use specific functions. There are specific functions in > > OpenDBX that have to be used if the database uses specific functions > (oracle > > is the only one for the moment.). We don't manage those functions yet. > > > > 9) In this link http://www.squeakdbx.org/Targets%20and%20Features > > You can see a list of future possible features like Connection pooling > (now > > it is done!), Prepared statement interface, Store procedures, Escape and > > avoid of SQL insertion, Authentication support: extends to other methods, > > not only user/password, Full text support, etc. > > > > > > >

March 4, 2011

[ANN] ESUG supports once again SqueakDBX

by Mariano Martinez Peck

We are really happy to announce that ESUG will sponsor us once again through the ESUG Summer Talk project. This means that we have reached the ESUG expectations and that they still think that relational database access is an important matter in Smalltalk. One important thing is that we are going to rename the project (we are still working on it) since SqueakDBX runs not only in Squeak but also in Pharo, and there have been even ports to Dolphin. What's the reason for this decision? Because we do not want to couple ourselves to a smalltalk dialect nor to OpenDBX, because our project is much more than that (later I will tell you about our plans). So, these are some of the possible names: ObjectPark, SmallParking, Parktalk, SmallValet, Valetalk, ValetST, NorayTalk, Ballard, Noray and Cruise. Please let us know which one is your favourite or help us find a new one. Another important subject is the team. There will be three "mentors", Esteban Lorenzano, Diogenes Moreira and myself, Mariano Martinez Peck; and three students: Guillermo Polito, Nicolas Scarcella and Santiago Bragagnolo. We are open to suggestions and ideas. In addition, we have defined a possible list of actions that I copy at the end of the email. For the moment, the url remains www.squeakdbx.org and the mailing list squeakdbx(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Once again, we want to thank ESUG for their support and trust. Thank you very much, SqueakDBX team Possible list of actions: 1) Change SqueakDBX’s name. 2) Update GLORP version since the actual one is 3 years old. Port it again from VisualWorks, create a VW porting tool (may be). Complete support to Glorp. Today it works with PostgreSQL, Oracle and MySQL. Make it work with most databases OpenDBX supports. 3) Create a lightweight solution, alternatively to GLORP. There are some options: Make SqueakSave work with SqueakDBX. SqueakSave developers already contacted us because they wanted to do it. SqueakSave seems to be 20% slower than Glorp but you don't need to write the mappings :) Adapt Ramon Leon's active record to use an abstract database driver, and create a driver for SqueakDBX. Port the new Glorp’s kind of active record to Pharo. (included in 2). 4) Write a Pharo By Example 2 chapter based on the card game Stef built ;). 5) Cog compatibility. 6) Use Alien instead of FFI. Eliot is working on a threaded CogVM. One of the projects of the GSoC of this year was to make something similar to a threaded FFI. What the student did is a modification in Alien (I think) that can be run in a multithreaded envirorment. He worked with Eliot. The idea is when Eliot releases the threaded CogVM, this FFI would work our of the box, and would avoid locking the WHOLE vm while a C function is being invoked (as it happens today with FFI).....So....when that VM is released, we MUST migrate to that). 7) Explore performance issues (maybe with our approach of "In thread execution plugin"). 8) Complete integration with OpenDBX. For example, Oracle, for large objects (Clob, Blob, etc) use specific functions. There are specific functions in OpenDBX that have to be used if the database uses specific functions (oracle is the only one for the moment.). We don't manage those functions yet. 9) In this link http://www.squeakdbx.org/Targets%20and%20Features You can see a list of future possible features like Connection pooling (now it is done!), Prepared statement interface, Store procedures, Escape and avoid of SQL insertion, Authentication support: extends to other methods, not only user/password, Full text support, etc.

March 4, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] ESUG 2011 Call for Contributions

by Jorge Silva - 10Pines

Hi Naill! Thanks for the corrections. I hope to have the chance to be there, and see the explanation in Smalltalk, great idea! :D Cheers, Jorge On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Niall Ross <nfr(a)bigwig.net> wrote: > Dear Jorge, > > > Maybe this could help to understand the different names... >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10 >> > > Fun to watch, even though the facts are of course boringly familiar to > anyone born here. Three small errors > > - British is not an objected-to term for the nationality - it is widely > used. (To be fair, I think the speaker is just joking here.) > > - Great Britain derives from 'Greater Britain' the term introduced after > 1603 to desitgnate the union of Scotland with the rest. It therefore > includes all the Scottish islands (and any that are part of England and > Wales) and so the video is wrong in its colouring and when it says the term > is 'sometimes used wrongly'). > > - The commonwealth is the British Empire old boys club and while it does > not include all former members, it does include many, for example India, in > addition to the group the video identifies. > > So it's a starter but viewers would undoubtly need an 'advanced geography' > follow-up course before they had mastered the subject. Perhaps we could > offer it at ESUG, coded in Smalltalk of course. :-) > > Meanwhile, if anyone is acting on the 'Please distribute widely' request in > the mailing, please correct (to 'Edinburgh Scotland' or 'Edinburgh, UK', > according to taste) before doing so. > > Yours faithfully > Niall Ross > > >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Niall Ross <nfr(a)bigwig.net <mailto: >> nfr(a)bigwig.net>> wrote: >> >> >> 19th International Smalltalk Joint Conference - Call for >> Contributions >> >> Edinburgh, England >> >> That's, ah, Edinburgh, _Scotland_, actually - or Edinburgh, Great >> Britain or Edinburgh, United Kingdom, or Edinburgh, Albion, or >> Edinburgh, Britannia, or .... >> >> Saying 'England' for 'Britain' abroad is quite usual but saying >> 'Edinburgh, _England_' is not quite geographically accurate - and >> may draw the occasional comment from the natives :-) >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. >> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> >> >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ** >> >> *Jorge Silva* >> Agile Software Development >> Mobile: +54 - 11 - 6336 - 3360 >> email: jsilva(a)10Pines.com >> site: http://www.10Pines.com <http://www.10pines.com/> >> >> >> ** >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. >> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email___________________________________________… > -- ** *Jorge Silva* Agile Software Development Mobile: +54 - 11 - 6336 - 3360 email: jsilva(a)10Pines.com site: http://www.10Pines.com <http://www.10pines.com/> * <http://www.10pines.com/>*

March 2, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] ESUG 2011 Call for Contributions

by Niall Ross

Dear Jorge, > Maybe this could help to understand the different > names... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10 Fun to watch, even though the facts are of course boringly familiar to anyone born here. Three small errors - British is not an objected-to term for the nationality - it is widely used. (To be fair, I think the speaker is just joking here.) - Great Britain derives from 'Greater Britain' the term introduced after 1603 to desitgnate the union of Scotland with the rest. It therefore includes all the Scottish islands (and any that are part of England and Wales) and so the video is wrong in its colouring and when it says the term is 'sometimes used wrongly'). - The commonwealth is the British Empire old boys club and while it does not include all former members, it does include many, for example India, in addition to the group the video identifies. So it's a starter but viewers would undoubtly need an 'advanced geography' follow-up course before they had mastered the subject. Perhaps we could offer it at ESUG, coded in Smalltalk of course. :-) Meanwhile, if anyone is acting on the 'Please distribute widely' request in the mailing, please correct (to 'Edinburgh Scotland' or 'Edinburgh, UK', according to taste) before doing so. Yours faithfully Niall Ross > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Niall Ross <nfr(a)bigwig.net > <mailto:nfr@bigwig.net>> wrote: > > > 19th International Smalltalk Joint Conference - Call for > Contributions > > Edinburgh, England > > That's, ah, Edinburgh, _Scotland_, actually - or Edinburgh, Great > Britain or Edinburgh, United Kingdom, or Edinburgh, Albion, or > Edinburgh, Britannia, or .... > > Saying 'England' for 'Britain' abroad is quite usual but saying > 'Edinburgh, _England_' is not quite geographically accurate - and > may draw the occasional comment from the natives :-) > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > > -- > ** > > *Jorge Silva* > Agile Software Development > Mobile: +54 - 11 - 6336 - 3360 > email: jsilva(a)10Pines.com > site: http://www.10Pines.com <http://www.10pines.com/> > > > ** > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

March 2, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] ESUG 2011 Call for Contributions

by Jorge Silva - 10Pines

Maybe this could help to understand the different names... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10 On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Niall Ross <nfr(a)bigwig.net> wrote: > > 19th International Smalltalk Joint Conference - Call for Contributions >>> >>> Edinburgh, England >>> >>> That's, ah, Edinburgh, _Scotland_, actually - or Edinburgh, Great > Britain or Edinburgh, United Kingdom, or Edinburgh, Albion, or Edinburgh, > Britannia, or .... > > Saying 'England' for 'Britain' abroad is quite usual but saying 'Edinburgh, > _England_' is not quite geographically accurate - and may draw the > occasional comment from the natives :-) > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email___________________________________________… > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- ** *Jorge Silva* Agile Software Development Mobile: +54 - 11 - 6336 - 3360 email: jsilva(a)10Pines.com site: http://www.10Pines.com <http://www.10pines.com/> * <http://www.10pines.com/>*

March 2, 2011