March 2011 - Esug-list - lists.esug.org

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...

by Geert Claes

laurent laffont wrote: > > ... > The big problem with Pier is the terrible lack of documentation, recipes, > how-to's...... no marketing, no communication with user. > ... > When you say marketing what do you mean exactly because an application users want to use does its own marketing and than there is no need to do a hard sell :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-hosting-tp3384077p3384183.html Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 17, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...

by laurent laffont

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Smalltalk does have open source blog and content management systems; e.g. > http://www.piercms.com Pier CMS and http://www.aidaweb.si/scribo.html > AIDAscribo ... but a lot can be improved to make them attractive > alternatives to the big http://www.drupal.org Drupal (PHP) and > http://www.joomla.org Joomla (PHP) or even smaller ones like > http://radiantcms.org Radiant CMS (Ruby) , http://www.refinerycms.com > Refinery CMS (Ruby) , http://www.django-cms.org Django CMS (Python) , etc > > Smalltalk will get more exposure if it were easier (and cheaper) for people > to host their own blog or website using a Smalltalk based Blog/CMS. > > Question is; what can be done to have more Smalltalkers use a Smalltalk > based blog system and attract non-Smalltalkers to try a Smalltalk CMS? > Thanks to the screencast made by Damien Cassou now I use Pier and it's quite fun and easy to manage for basic stuff. The big problem with Pier is the terrible lack of documentation, recipes, how-to's...... no marketing, no communication with user. The public of a product like Pier is not advanced Smalltalk developers. Drupal can be managed and deployed freely by non-technical people. That's a key of success. Laurent. > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-hosting-tp3384077p3384077.html > Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >

March 17, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...

by Janko Mivšek

Hi Geert, On 17. 03. 2011 10:59, Geert Claes wrote: > Smalltalk does have open source blog and content management systems; e.g. > http://www.piercms.com Pier CMS and http://www.aidaweb.si/scribo.html > AIDAscribo ... but a lot can be improved to make them attractive > alternatives to the big http://www.drupal.org Drupal (PHP) and > http://www.joomla.org Joomla (PHP) or even smaller ones like > http://radiantcms.org Radiant CMS (Ruby) , http://www.refinerycms.com > Refinery CMS (Ruby) , http://www.django-cms.org Django CMS (Python) , etc > > Smalltalk will get more exposure if it were easier (and cheaper) for people > to host their own blog or website using a Smalltalk based Blog/CMS. > > Question is; what can be done to have more Smalltalkers use a Smalltalk > based blog system and attract non-Smalltalkers to try a Smalltalk CMS? Time! Preparing a CMS to the state of broad usefulness needs a lot of development effort and specially a lot of a feeling for end user needs. Both are strongly lacking in Smalltalk community IMHO. Maybe a subquestion, which audience to start with, with CMS end users, CMS developers, CMS something-in-between? To prepare something for "dummies" like WordPress is certainly a lot of work... Janko > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-hosting-tp3384077p3384077.html > Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

March 17, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...

by AxiNat

Regarding hosting prices, there are really cheap VPS solutions available. I've been successfully deploying apps in a VPSLink Xen slice at a cost of around 80$ a year (one slice per app), which is not much more than what many web hosting companies will charge you. Something like that makes up for developing in a Smalltalk framework being expensive, and if the websites are simple enough, you can even run more than one in a single image. On the other hand, I still agree that a nice, free, end-user friendly CMS, as powerful and easy to use as Drupal would be great to have and would get lots of designers and web devs to use it over other more mainstream ones. Pier is very nice, but IMO no designer (or client) will like, for example, having to learn its markup language, they will ask you for an easy to use WYSIWYG editor, an easy to plug image gallery, forum, wiki, whatever. A designer can very easily learn how to install a Drupal/Joomla! extension, but we can't ask him to learn how to embed a Javascript rich-text editor into a Pier application... even most of us will run into several problems when trying to do that. I'm sure we mostly agree, but who does have the time to develop something as titanic as this? :( Bernat Romagosa.

March 17, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...

by Geert Claes

I don't think suggesting for people to get their own Mac OSX Server is going to be cheaper :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-hosting-tp3384077p3384129.html Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 17, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] Smalltalk hosting ...

by HwaJongOh

I use Wiki server included in Mac OSX server. It is more easier to make inter linked documents than with blogs. 2011. 3. 17., 저녁 6:59, Geert Claes 작성: > Smalltalk does have open source blog and content management systems; e.g. > http://www.piercms.com Pier CMS and http://www.aidaweb.si/scribo.html > AIDAscribo ... but a lot can be improved to make them attractive > alternatives to the big http://www.drupal.org Drupal (PHP) and > http://www.joomla.org Joomla (PHP) or even smaller ones like > http://radiantcms.org Radiant CMS (Ruby) , http://www.refinerycms.com > Refinery CMS (Ruby) , http://www.django-cms.org Django CMS (Python) , etc > > Smalltalk will get more exposure if it were easier (and cheaper) for people > to host their own blog or website using a Smalltalk based Blog/CMS. > > Question is; what can be done to have more Smalltalkers use a Smalltalk > based blog system and attract non-Smalltalkers to try a Smalltalk CMS? > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-hosting-tp3384077p3384077.html > Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

March 17, 2011

Smalltalk hosting ...

by Geert Claes

Smalltalk does have open source blog and content management systems; e.g. http://www.piercms.com Pier CMS and http://www.aidaweb.si/scribo.html AIDAscribo ... but a lot can be improved to make them attractive alternatives to the big http://www.drupal.org Drupal (PHP) and http://www.joomla.org Joomla (PHP) or even smaller ones like http://radiantcms.org Radiant CMS (Ruby) , http://www.refinerycms.com Refinery CMS (Ruby) , http://www.django-cms.org Django CMS (Python) , etc Smalltalk will get more exposure if it were easier (and cheaper) for people to host their own blog or website using a Smalltalk based Blog/CMS. Question is; what can be done to have more Smalltalkers use a Smalltalk based blog system and attract non-Smalltalkers to try a Smalltalk CMS? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-hosting-tp3384077p3384077.html Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 17, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] We are preparing to this year Google Summer of Code (GSoC)

by Janko Mivšek

Thanks Jan for your idea. I think such projects to interface other non-Smalltalk systems via network protocols are very valuable and nice candidates for GSoC. They are also not too hard for students to complete in few months available. Also all things interfacing to the cloud are good candidates and because you have quite some experience with the cloud, so I encourage you to provide us with a list of interfaces we still need to develop. To connect to Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, Google, .. When we wil have a list, it will be easier to prepare a list of projects and find potential mentors ... Best regards Janko On 09. 03. 2011 21:48, Jan van de Sandt wrote: > Hello Janko, > > An idea for a possible GSoC project: Develop a Smalltalk Query Server > for CouchDB. > > With a Smalltalk query server you can specify your queries in Smalltalk > (blocks?) using the MapReduce pattern. CouchDB supports JavaScript and > Erlang out of the box but CouchDB also offers a protocol to plugin other > languages. [1] > > Jan. > > [1] http://www.couchone.com/page/couchdb-drivers > > > 2011/3/9 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si > <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>> > > Dear Smalltalkers, > > I'd like to inform you that we are preparing an application to this year > Smalltalk Google Summer of Code under ESUG umbrella, as last year. > > If accepted, Google will pay few stipendiums to students on our > Smalltalk projects. Please start thinking about ideas what projects > would be nice to have. Also start looking around for students. How to > approach the universitites near by you, do you know who to contact > there, etc. To see last year ideas and accepted/done projects, visit > last year http://gsoc2010.esug.org. > > More on our already open special Smalltalk GSoC 2011 website: > > http://gsoc2011.esug.org > > I'm specially inviting mentors of all past GSoCs to rejoin the mentors > mailing list, where we discuss all details about this year GSoC: > > http://groups.google.com/group/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors > > Best regards > Janko -- Janko Mivšek Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team http://gsoc2011.esug.org

March 11, 2011

Re: [Esug-list] We are preparing to this year Google Summer of Code (GSoC)

by Jan van de Sandt

Hello Janko, An idea for a possible GSoC project: Develop a Smalltalk Query Server for CouchDB. With a Smalltalk query server you can specify your queries in Smalltalk (blocks?) using the MapReduce pattern. CouchDB supports JavaScript and Erlang out of the box but CouchDB also offers a protocol to plugin other languages. [1] Jan. [1] http://www.couchone.com/page/couchdb-drivers 2011/3/9 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> > Dear Smalltalkers, > > I'd like to inform you that we are preparing an application to this year > Smalltalk Google Summer of Code under ESUG umbrella, as last year. > > If accepted, Google will pay few stipendiums to students on our > Smalltalk projects. Please start thinking about ideas what projects > would be nice to have. Also start looking around for students. How to > approach the universitites near by you, do you know who to contact > there, etc. To see last year ideas and accepted/done projects, visit > last year http://gsoc2010.esug.org. > > More on our already open special Smalltalk GSoC 2011 website: > > http://gsoc2011.esug.org > > I'm specially inviting mentors of all past GSoCs to rejoin the mentors > mailing list, where we discuss all details about this year GSoC: > > http://groups.google.com/group/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors > > Best regards > Janko > > -- > Janko Mivšek > Aida/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >

March 9, 2011

We are preparing to this year Google Summer of Code (GSoC)

by Janko Mivšek

Dear Smalltalkers, I'd like to inform you that we are preparing an application to this year Smalltalk Google Summer of Code under ESUG umbrella, as last year. If accepted, Google will pay few stipendiums to students on our Smalltalk projects. Please start thinking about ideas what projects would be nice to have. Also start looking around for students. How to approach the universitites near by you, do you know who to contact there, etc. To see last year ideas and accepted/done projects, visit last year http://gsoc2010.esug.org. More on our already open special Smalltalk GSoC 2011 website: http://gsoc2011.esug.org I'm specially inviting mentors of all past GSoCs to rejoin the mentors mailing list, where we discuss all details about this year GSoC: http://groups.google.com/group/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors Best regards Janko -- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

March 9, 2011