September 2010 - Esug-list

Re: [Esug-list] [squeak-dev] Re: Vote for the best Smalltalk book of the last 5 years...

by Henrik Sperre Johansen

On 08.09.2010 16:52, stephane ducasse wrote: > Since we do not add french books we do not add spanish nor japanese ones. >> The SICS Java Port Project: Automatic Translation of a Large Object >> Oriented System from Smalltalk to Java by Skarsaune Martin (Paperback >> - Sep 15, 2008) - I would expect zero votes for this one :-) While not a book on Smalltalk as such and thus not fitting for this contest, I actually found it an entertaining read! Mostly in a "So glad it wasn't me"-fashion, but still... :) Cheers, Henry

Sept. 8, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] [squeak-dev] Re: Vote for the best Smalltalk book of the last 5 years...

by Noury Bouraqadi

Yes. Only english is accessible to the whole community. Note however that our more productive authors aren't native english speakers ;-) Noury On 8 sept. 2010, at 16:52, stephane ducasse wrote: > Since we do not add french books we do not add spanish nor japanese ones. > > On Sep 8, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Ricardo Moran wrote: > >> You should add Diego Gomez Deck book "Programando con Smalltalk". It's in spanish so it may not be the most popular but I believe it's a very nice book (although somewhat old now). >> >> It was the first smalltalk book I read and I learned the basics with it, so I'm very fond of this book :) >> >> Regarding the book translations discussion I think translating books is very important. Even though you still need to understand english to code smalltalk I still like to read books in my language. If you get the infrastructure right I'm willing to help translating stuff to spanish in my free time. >> >> Cheers >> Richo >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. <jecel(a)merlintec.com> wrote: >> Bert Freudenberg wrote on Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:50:22 +0200 >>> I for one am happy that there were enough books written about Smalltalk >>> that we can have a competition. >>> >>> Thank you for organizing the contest, ESUG. >> >> I would also like to thank both ESUG for holding the contest and the >> authors for their very valuable contribution to the community. While >> Andreas does have a point about conflict of interest, it is unavoidable >> due to the small size of our community (we had quite a bit of conflict >> over this on squeak-dev last year, for example). It is like the small >> town where the same guy is the sheriff, the auto repairman, the judge, >> the fireman and so on. >> >> About the list itself, I did a quick search on Amazon for "smalltalk" >> and found these others: >> >> Discovering Smalltalk (The Benjamin/Cummings Series in Object-Oriented >> Software Engineering) >> by Wilf Lalonde >> (Paperback - Jan 17, 2008) - it seems to use Digitalk Smalltalk V, so >> this is probably a new edition of an old book >> >> Advances in Smalltalk: 14th International Smaltalk Conference, ISC 2006, >> Prague, Czech Republic, September 4-8, 2006, Revised Selected Papers >> (Lecture ... / Programming and Software Engineering) >> by Wolfgang De Meuter >> (Paperback - May 18, 2007) >> >> Grundkurs Smalltalk - Objektorientierung von Anfang an >> by Johannes Brauer >> (Perfect Paperback - 2008) - in German >> >> Einsamkeit überwinden mit der TALISUND Strategie. Neue Menschen kennen >> lernen - ohne Smalltalk. >> by einsamkeit-ueberwinden.org >> (Paperback - Mar 30, 2010) - in German >> >> The SICS Java Port Project: Automatic Translation of a Large Object >> Oriented System from Smalltalk to Java >> by Skarsaune Martin >> (Paperback - Sep 15, 2008) - I would expect zero votes for this one :-) >> >> Self-Sustaining Systems: First Workshop, S3 2008 Potsdam, Germany, May >> 15-16, 2008, Proceedings (Lecture Notes in Computer Science / >> Programming and Software Engineering) >> by Robert Hirschfeld and Kim Rose >> (Paperback - Nov 21, 2008) >> >> Smalltalk Programming Language Family: Smalltalk, Squeak, Seaside, Ibm >> Visualage, Scratch, Gnu Smalltalk, Visual Smalltalk Enterprise, Aida|web >> by Books LLC >> (Paperback - May 6, 2010) >> >> Dialecte Smalltalk: Squeak, Pharo, Gnu Smalltalk, Scratch, Bistro, >> Visualworks >> by Livres Groupe >> (Paperback - Aug 1, 2010) - in French >> >> Class-Based Programming Languages: Java, C++, Python, Eiffel, Smalltalk, >> Ruby, Simula, Common Lisp, Oberon, Clu, Objective-C, Squeak, Sather >> by Books LLC >> (Paperback - May 24, 2010) >> >> Dynamically-Typed Programming Languages: Lisp, Perl, Python, Mumps, >> Smalltalk, Ruby, Logo, Tcl, Self, Common Lisp, Objective-C, Rebol, >> Squeak >> by Books LLC >> (Paperback - May 26, 2010) >> >> Objektorientierte Programmiersprache: Php, Smalltalk-80, Embarcadero >> Delphi, Oberon, Eiffel, Cluster, Haxe, Common Lisp, Pow!, Scratch, Lpc >> by Bücher Gruppe >> (Paperback - Jul 22, 2010) - in German >> >> Langage Orienté Objet: Java, C++, Ada, Javascript, Ruby, Python, >> Codegear Delphi, Smalltalk, Kylix, Objective-C, Eiffel, Perl 6, Visual T >> Sharp >> by Livres Groupe >> (Paperback - Jul 29, 2010) - in French >> >> Object-Oriented Programming Languages: Cobol, Java, C++, Perl, Fortran, >> Python, Php, Eiffel, Smalltalk, Ruby, Blitz Basic, Turbo Pascal >> by Books LLC >> (Paperback - May 21, 2010) >> >> Ruby (Programming Language): Reflection (computer science), Dynamic >> programming language, Object-oriented programming language, Perl, >> Smalltalk, Yukihiro ... language), Ada (programming language) >> by Frederic P. Miller, Agnes F. Vandome, and John McBrewster >> (Paperback - Oct 12, 2009) >> >> I would say that the list is very reasonable without any of the above >> books. Since I haven't read any of these nor the ones in the survey, I >> won't be able to participate. But I find it great that people are still >> taking the time to write new books. >> >> -- Jecel >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org Noury

Sept. 8, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] [squeak-dev] Re: Vote for the best Smalltalk book of the last 5 years...

by stephane ducasse

Since we do not add french books we do not add spanish nor japanese ones. On Sep 8, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Ricardo Moran wrote: > You should add Diego Gomez Deck book "Programando con Smalltalk". It's in spanish so it may not be the most popular but I believe it's a very nice book (although somewhat old now). > > It was the first smalltalk book I read and I learned the basics with it, so I'm very fond of this book :) > > Regarding the book translations discussion I think translating books is very important. Even though you still need to understand english to code smalltalk I still like to read books in my language. If you get the infrastructure right I'm willing to help translating stuff to spanish in my free time. > > Cheers > Richo > > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. <jecel(a)merlintec.com> wrote: > Bert Freudenberg wrote on Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:50:22 +0200 > > I for one am happy that there were enough books written about Smalltalk > > that we can have a competition. > > > > Thank you for organizing the contest, ESUG. > > I would also like to thank both ESUG for holding the contest and the > authors for their very valuable contribution to the community. While > Andreas does have a point about conflict of interest, it is unavoidable > due to the small size of our community (we had quite a bit of conflict > over this on squeak-dev last year, for example). It is like the small > town where the same guy is the sheriff, the auto repairman, the judge, > the fireman and so on. > > About the list itself, I did a quick search on Amazon for "smalltalk" > and found these others: > > Discovering Smalltalk (The Benjamin/Cummings Series in Object-Oriented > Software Engineering) > by Wilf Lalonde > (Paperback - Jan 17, 2008) - it seems to use Digitalk Smalltalk V, so > this is probably a new edition of an old book > > Advances in Smalltalk: 14th International Smaltalk Conference, ISC 2006, > Prague, Czech Republic, September 4-8, 2006, Revised Selected Papers > (Lecture ... / Programming and Software Engineering) > by Wolfgang De Meuter > (Paperback - May 18, 2007) > > Grundkurs Smalltalk - Objektorientierung von Anfang an > by Johannes Brauer > (Perfect Paperback - 2008) - in German > > Einsamkeit überwinden mit der TALISUND Strategie. Neue Menschen kennen > lernen - ohne Smalltalk. > by einsamkeit-ueberwinden.org > (Paperback - Mar 30, 2010) - in German > > The SICS Java Port Project: Automatic Translation of a Large Object > Oriented System from Smalltalk to Java > by Skarsaune Martin > (Paperback - Sep 15, 2008) - I would expect zero votes for this one :-) > > Self-Sustaining Systems: First Workshop, S3 2008 Potsdam, Germany, May > 15-16, 2008, Proceedings (Lecture Notes in Computer Science / > Programming and Software Engineering) > by Robert Hirschfeld and Kim Rose > (Paperback - Nov 21, 2008) > > Smalltalk Programming Language Family: Smalltalk, Squeak, Seaside, Ibm > Visualage, Scratch, Gnu Smalltalk, Visual Smalltalk Enterprise, Aida|web > by Books LLC > (Paperback - May 6, 2010) > > Dialecte Smalltalk: Squeak, Pharo, Gnu Smalltalk, Scratch, Bistro, > Visualworks > by Livres Groupe > (Paperback - Aug 1, 2010) - in French > > Class-Based Programming Languages: Java, C++, Python, Eiffel, Smalltalk, > Ruby, Simula, Common Lisp, Oberon, Clu, Objective-C, Squeak, Sather > by Books LLC > (Paperback - May 24, 2010) > > Dynamically-Typed Programming Languages: Lisp, Perl, Python, Mumps, > Smalltalk, Ruby, Logo, Tcl, Self, Common Lisp, Objective-C, Rebol, > Squeak > by Books LLC > (Paperback - May 26, 2010) > > Objektorientierte Programmiersprache: Php, Smalltalk-80, Embarcadero > Delphi, Oberon, Eiffel, Cluster, Haxe, Common Lisp, Pow!, Scratch, Lpc > by Bücher Gruppe > (Paperback - Jul 22, 2010) - in German > > Langage Orienté Objet: Java, C++, Ada, Javascript, Ruby, Python, > Codegear Delphi, Smalltalk, Kylix, Objective-C, Eiffel, Perl 6, Visual T > Sharp > by Livres Groupe > (Paperback - Jul 29, 2010) - in French > > Object-Oriented Programming Languages: Cobol, Java, C++, Perl, Fortran, > Python, Php, Eiffel, Smalltalk, Ruby, Blitz Basic, Turbo Pascal > by Books LLC > (Paperback - May 21, 2010) > > Ruby (Programming Language): Reflection (computer science), Dynamic > programming language, Object-oriented programming language, Perl, > Smalltalk, Yukihiro ... language), Ada (programming language) > by Frederic P. Miller, Agnes F. Vandome, and John McBrewster > (Paperback - Oct 12, 2009) > > I would say that the list is very reasonable without any of the above > books. Since I haven't read any of these nor the ones in the survey, I > won't be able to participate. But I find it great that people are still > taking the time to write new books. > > -- Jecel > > > >

Sept. 8, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice

by Leandro Caniglia

Yes, we are using VSE. leandro caniglia ph.d. | chief technologist | *caesar** systems *| *see clearly. decide smarter**.* lcaniglia(a)caesarsystems.com | t: +1.281.598.8810 +1.281.617.2972 +54.11.4389.0126 | www.caesarsystems.com This message and any attached documents contain information from Caesar Systems LLC that may be confidential/trade secret and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or use this information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or by reply e-mail and then delete this message. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Steven Kelly <stevek(a)metacase.com> wrote: > If you are continuing to use VSE, please reply to the list with at least > a simple “Yes”. > > > > I have no interest in VSE, but Henrik has asked twice and got no replies > (on this list), so let’s at least help reduce a fellow Smalltalker’s > frustration. > > > > Cheers, > > Steve > > > > > > *From:* esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto: > esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org] *On Behalf Of *Henrik Høyer > *Sent:* 7. syyskuuta 2010 22:04 > *To:* The general-purpose Squeak developers list; ESUG Mailing list > *Subject:* Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk > Enterprice > > > > Dear all > > > > From the reactions to my post, I fear that people might have misunderstood > me. Bear in mind, that I am not a native English speaker – though my > language might sound harsh and offensive, I do have the best intensions. > > > > The subject of the original post should perhaps have been: “Is Cincom > slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprise *customers*”. Who shot VSE a long > time ago is another discussion. As are the discussion of how/whether one > could/should port the applications to other Smalltalk dialects. > > > > My focus is entirely on how the current VSE users can extend the life of > their applications on the VSE platform. Even though development on VSE > stopped more than 10 years ago, the applications are still running today on > current operating system versions and with on-par performance. > > > > Part of VSE is closed source; The VM, the compiler and several other stuff. > Though clever hacking/patching bugs in these closed parts of VSE have been > fixes by the community since the official development stopped. But Cincom > (who has the exclusive rights to make money from supporting the product) has > now unleashed its lawyers, and are threatening some of the most active > people in the community. The amount of “lawyer muscle” behind the threats > are actually keeping people from even replying to this post. > > > > I did have a deep respect for Cincom; they have done a great job for the > Smalltalk community. I don’t know where in their organization the “money > matters more than ethics” policy is in action. It is not among the Smalltalk > people we all know, but the ones who are pulling the strings are in fact > doing a lot of damage to their corporate image. > > > > I know that some Cincom employees have commented on my post, but I still > have had no answers to the main question: > > > > Are Cincom willing to donate/sell their “exclusive exploratory rights to > the VSE product”? > > > > Please note: The question is not about the IP. It is only about the rights > that Cincom holds, oh and by the way; are Cincom willing to disclose the > contact they have with Seagull regarding these rights? > > > > With all the best intensions > > > > > > [image: sPeople Logo] <http://www.sPeople.dk> > > *Henrik Høyer* > > Chief Software Architect > > hh(a)sppl.dk • (+45) 4029 2092 > > Rued Langgaards Vej 7 • 2300 Kbh. S > > www.sPeople.dk • (+45) 7023 7775 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >

Sept. 8, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice

by stephane ducasse

I was a good one :) Stef On Sep 8, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Andreas Rosenberg wrote: > Yes, we are still using Digitalk Visual Smalltalk. > > We did a presentation about our efforts to keep it alive at ESUG 2008 in > Amsterdam: > > http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2008/A%20Moribund%20Smalltalk%20st > ill%20alive%20and%20kicking%3A%20The%20APIS%20VisualSmalltalk%20IDE?_s=g-5d5 > pKDIUCnaLYZ > <http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2008/A%20Moribund%20Smalltalk%20s > till%20alive%20and%20kicking%3A%20The%20APIS%20VisualSmalltalk%20IDE?_s=g-5d > 5pKDIUCnaLYZ&_k=2Nhf_0Bb-GKGSvlV&_n&24> &_k=2Nhf_0Bb-GKGSvlV&_n&24 > > Andreas Rosenberg | eMail: andreas.rosenberg(a)apis.de > APIS GmbH | Phone: +49 9482 9415-0 > Im Haslet 42 | Fax: +49 9482 9415-55 > 93086 Wörth/D | WWW: < http://www.apis.de/ <http://www.apis.de/> > > Germany | < http://www.fmea.de/ <http://www.fmea.de/> > > > -----Original Message----- > From: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org > [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org]On Behalf Of Steven Kelly > Sent: Mittwoch, 8. September 2010 11:13 > To: Henrik Høyer; The general-purpose Squeak developers list; ESUG Mailing > list > Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk > Enterprice > > > > If you are continuing to use VSE, please reply to the list with at least a > simple "Yes". > > > > I have no interest in VSE, but Henrik has asked twice and got no replies (on > this list), so let's at least help reduce a fellow Smalltalker's > frustration. > > > > Cheers, > > Steve > > > > > > From: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org > [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf Of Henrik Høyer > Sent: 7. syyskuuta 2010 22:04 > To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list; ESUG Mailing list > Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk > Enterprice > > > > Dear all > > > > From the reactions to my post, I fear that people might have misunderstood > me. Bear in mind, that I am not a native English speaker - though my > language might sound harsh and offensive, I do have the best intensions. > > > > The subject of the original post should perhaps have been: "Is Cincom slowly > killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprise *customers*". Who shot VSE a long time > ago is another discussion. As are the discussion of how/whether one > could/should port the applications to other Smalltalk dialects. > > > > My focus is entirely on how the current VSE users can extend the life of > their applications on the VSE platform. Even though development on VSE > stopped more than 10 years ago, the applications are still running today on > current operating system versions and with on-par performance. > > > > Part of VSE is closed source; The VM, the compiler and several other stuff. > Though clever hacking/patching bugs in these closed parts of VSE have been > fixes by the community since the official development stopped. But Cincom > (who has the exclusive rights to make money from supporting the product) has > now unleashed its lawyers, and are threatening some of the most active > people in the community. The amount of "lawyer muscle" behind the threats > are actually keeping people from even replying to this post. > > > > I did have a deep respect for Cincom; they have done a great job for the > Smalltalk community. I don't know where in their organization the "money > matters more than ethics" policy is in action. It is not among the Smalltalk > people we all know, but the ones who are pulling the strings are in fact > doing a lot of damage to their corporate image. > > > > I know that some Cincom employees have commented on my post, but I still > have had no answers to the main question: > > > > Are Cincom willing to donate/sell their "exclusive exploratory rights to the > VSE product"? > > > > Please note: The question is not about the IP. It is only about the rights > that Cincom holds, oh and by the way; are Cincom willing to disclose the > contact they have with Seagull regarding these rights? > > > > With all the best intensions > > > > > > > <http://www.sPeople.dk> sPeople Logo > > Henrik Høyer > > > Chief Software Architect > > > <mailto:hh@sppl.dk> hh(a)sppl.dk * (+45) 4029 2092 > > > Rued Langgaards Vej 7 * 2300 Kbh. S > > > <http://www.sPeople.dk> www.sPeople.dk * (+45) 7023 7775 > > > > > > > > > <winmail.dat>_______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Sept. 8, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice

by Andreas Rosenberg

Yes, we are still using Digitalk Visual Smalltalk. We did a presentation about our efforts to keep it alive at ESUG 2008 in Amsterdam: http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2008/A%20Moribund%20Smalltalk%20st ill%20alive%20and%20kicking%3A%20The%20APIS%20VisualSmalltalk%20IDE?_s=g-5d5 pKDIUCnaLYZ <http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2008/A%20Moribund%20Smalltalk%20s till%20alive%20and%20kicking%3A%20The%20APIS%20VisualSmalltalk%20IDE?_s=g-5d 5pKDIUCnaLYZ&_k=2Nhf_0Bb-GKGSvlV&_n&24> &_k=2Nhf_0Bb-GKGSvlV&_n&24 Andreas Rosenberg | eMail: andreas.rosenberg(a)apis.de APIS GmbH | Phone: +49 9482 9415-0 Im Haslet 42 | Fax: +49 9482 9415-55 93086 Wörth/D | WWW: < http://www.apis.de/ <http://www.apis.de/> > Germany | < http://www.fmea.de/ <http://www.fmea.de/> > -----Original Message----- From: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org]On Behalf Of Steven Kelly Sent: Mittwoch, 8. September 2010 11:13 To: Henrik Høyer; The general-purpose Squeak developers list; ESUG Mailing list Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice If you are continuing to use VSE, please reply to the list with at least a simple "Yes". I have no interest in VSE, but Henrik has asked twice and got no replies (on this list), so let's at least help reduce a fellow Smalltalker's frustration. Cheers, Steve From: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf Of Henrik Høyer Sent: 7. syyskuuta 2010 22:04 To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list; ESUG Mailing list Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice Dear all >From the reactions to my post, I fear that people might have misunderstood me. Bear in mind, that I am not a native English speaker - though my language might sound harsh and offensive, I do have the best intensions. The subject of the original post should perhaps have been: "Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprise *customers*". Who shot VSE a long time ago is another discussion. As are the discussion of how/whether one could/should port the applications to other Smalltalk dialects. My focus is entirely on how the current VSE users can extend the life of their applications on the VSE platform. Even though development on VSE stopped more than 10 years ago, the applications are still running today on current operating system versions and with on-par performance. Part of VSE is closed source; The VM, the compiler and several other stuff. Though clever hacking/patching bugs in these closed parts of VSE have been fixes by the community since the official development stopped. But Cincom (who has the exclusive rights to make money from supporting the product) has now unleashed its lawyers, and are threatening some of the most active people in the community. The amount of "lawyer muscle" behind the threats are actually keeping people from even replying to this post. I did have a deep respect for Cincom; they have done a great job for the Smalltalk community. I don't know where in their organization the "money matters more than ethics" policy is in action. It is not among the Smalltalk people we all know, but the ones who are pulling the strings are in fact doing a lot of damage to their corporate image. I know that some Cincom employees have commented on my post, but I still have had no answers to the main question: Are Cincom willing to donate/sell their "exclusive exploratory rights to the VSE product"? Please note: The question is not about the IP. It is only about the rights that Cincom holds, oh and by the way; are Cincom willing to disclose the contact they have with Seagull regarding these rights? With all the best intensions <http://www.sPeople.dk> sPeople Logo Henrik Høyer Chief Software Architect <mailto:hh@sppl.dk> hh(a)sppl.dk * (+45) 4029 2092 Rued Langgaards Vej 7 * 2300 Kbh. S <http://www.sPeople.dk> www.sPeople.dk * (+45) 7023 7775

Sept. 8, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice

by Steven Kelly

If you are continuing to use VSE, please reply to the list with at least a simple "Yes". I have no interest in VSE, but Henrik has asked twice and got no replies (on this list), so let's at least help reduce a fellow Smalltalker's frustration. Cheers, Steve From: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf Of Henrik Høyer Sent: 7. syyskuuta 2010 22:04 To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list; ESUG Mailing list Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice Dear all >From the reactions to my post, I fear that people might have misunderstood me. Bear in mind, that I am not a native English speaker - though my language might sound harsh and offensive, I do have the best intensions. The subject of the original post should perhaps have been: "Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprise *customers*". Who shot VSE a long time ago is another discussion. As are the discussion of how/whether one could/should port the applications to other Smalltalk dialects. My focus is entirely on how the current VSE users can extend the life of their applications on the VSE platform. Even though development on VSE stopped more than 10 years ago, the applications are still running today on current operating system versions and with on-par performance. Part of VSE is closed source; The VM, the compiler and several other stuff. Though clever hacking/patching bugs in these closed parts of VSE have been fixes by the community since the official development stopped. But Cincom (who has the exclusive rights to make money from supporting the product) has now unleashed its lawyers, and are threatening some of the most active people in the community. The amount of "lawyer muscle" behind the threats are actually keeping people from even replying to this post. I did have a deep respect for Cincom; they have done a great job for the Smalltalk community. I don't know where in their organization the "money matters more than ethics" policy is in action. It is not among the Smalltalk people we all know, but the ones who are pulling the strings are in fact doing a lot of damage to their corporate image. I know that some Cincom employees have commented on my post, but I still have had no answers to the main question: Are Cincom willing to donate/sell their "exclusive exploratory rights to the VSE product"? Please note: The question is not about the IP. It is only about the rights that Cincom holds, oh and by the way; are Cincom willing to disclose the contact they have with Seagull regarding these rights? With all the best intensions <http://www.sPeople.dk> Henrik Høyer Chief Software Architect hh(a)sppl.dk <mailto:hh@sppl.dk> * (+45) 4029 2092 Rued Langgaards Vej 7 * 2300 Kbh. S www.sPeople.dk <http://www.sPeople.dk> * (+45) 7023 7775

Sept. 8, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice

by Henrik Høyer

Dear all >From the reactions to my post, I fear that people might have misunderstood me. Bear in mind, that I am not a native English speaker - though my language might sound harsh and offensive, I do have the best intensions. The subject of the original post should perhaps have been: "Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprise *customers*". Who shot VSE a long time ago is another discussion. As are the discussion of how/whether one could/should port the applications to other Smalltalk dialects. My focus is entirely on how the current VSE users can extend the life of their applications on the VSE platform. Even though development on VSE stopped more than 10 years ago, the applications are still running today on current operating system versions and with on-par performance. Part of VSE is closed source; The VM, the compiler and several other stuff. Though clever hacking/patching bugs in these closed parts of VSE have been fixes by the community since the official development stopped. But Cincom (who has the exclusive rights to make money from supporting the product) has now unleashed its lawyers, and are threatening some of the most active people in the community. The amount of "lawyer muscle" behind the threats are actually keeping people from even replying to this post. I did have a deep respect for Cincom; they have done a great job for the Smalltalk community. I don't know where in their organization the "money matters more than ethics" policy is in action. It is not among the Smalltalk people we all know, but the ones who are pulling the strings are in fact doing a lot of damage to their corporate image. I know that some Cincom employees have commented on my post, but I still have had no answers to the main question: Are Cincom willing to donate/sell their "exclusive exploratory rights to the VSE product"? Please note: The question is not about the IP. It is only about the rights that Cincom holds, oh and by the way; are Cincom willing to disclose the contact they have with Seagull regarding these rights? With all the best intensions [cid:speoplelogo1eb.png]<http://www.sPeople.dk> Henrik Høyer Chief Software Architect hh(a)sppl.dk<mailto:hh@sppl.dk> * (+45) 4029 2092 Rued Langgaards Vej 7 * 2300 Kbh. S www.sPeople.dk<http://www.sPeople.dk> * (+45) 7023 7775

Sept. 7, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] [squeak-dev] Re: Vote for the best Smalltalk book of the last 5 years...

by stephane ducasse

Thanks Bert! We should make more noise and get new writers. Stef > I for one am happy that there were enough books written about Smalltalk that we can have a competition. > > Thank you for organizing the contest, ESUG. > > Now let's spread the word and vote: > > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Q2LKKDT > > In case this got lost in the unnecessary side discussion, it's open to Wednesday, Sept. 15 noon CEST. > > - Bert - > > (Squeak Oversight Board member, speaking for myself) > >

Sept. 7, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] supporting the spanish translation of Pharo by example

by Mariano Martinez Peck

I am in the half too. What it is a pity is that it is like that since 4 months .... :( I started to write a chapter for Metacello for PBE2 and all my time allocated to that went there :( On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:35 PM, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)gmail.com > wrote: > +1 > Jordi no stress!!!! > We should just keep the ball rolling. > And apparently you are not the only one. :) > Stef > > > > take it easy !! We will reorganize the work soon ... No worries > > > > Gabi > > > > 2010/9/7 Jordi Delgado <jdelgado(a)lsi.upc.edu> > > Hi, > > > > Shame on me, but guilty as charged... I had to translate chap. 13, I am > still > > half way and it is not even uploaded to the repository. > > I have not been completely commited to the translation. Perhaps I may use > > Smalltalk camp to finish this before doing anything else. > > > > Sorry, > > > > Bests, > > > > Jordi > > > > > > > Hi guys > > > > > > I heard that the spanish translation of the pharo by example book is at > 50%. :( > > > So please contact Gabriela Arevalo <gabriela.b.arevalo(a)gmail.com> to > help. > > > I cannot believe that you will not get it done. > > > > > > Stef > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Esug-list mailing list > > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >

Sept. 7, 2010