September 2010 - Esug-list

Re: [Esug-list] Thanks to ESUG and their sponsors

by stephane ducasse

Thanks joachim this is great summary. We are in sync. Stef > Henrik, > > from what I've heard in the coffee break (and I agree to that), most people here in Barcelona thought this is enough. The idea (or at least the ideaof the audience) was that each vendor can present some of their hghlights to the wider Smalltalk communities, but not more than that. The users of a certain dialect probably know most of that stuff already, and the others just want to hear what's going on in the other dialects. > > And, of course, you must keep in mind that we have lots of time for talking between the talks, and the real fun is not in the talks but between them. When you're not here, you miss a lot, even if you can see the prsentations. Luckily, all the vendor representants here are open minded, friendly and don't show a "them vs. us" attitude. You can see people from Gemstone, Instantiations and Cincom standing together and chatting, as well as Cincomers working on Smalltalk code in Pharo or VA Smalltalk, in order to port some framework over or play with stuff. So if you were here and wanted to learn morw about a specific feature, you could always approach Arden, Dale or John and have a chat. Which is what's happening. > > While we're at it, let me phrase it in my words: ESUG is a conference, not a tradeshow. I'd be p*d off if I had flown here, booked a hotel and paid for long sales talks. I'd be happy to listen to long sales presentations if this would make ESUG attendence free. But as long as I pay for it: no commercial breaks, please ;-) > > Just my thoughts > > Joachim > > > > Am 15.09.10 15:26, schrieb stephane ducasse: >> all the vendors were given the same amount of time. And there are a lot of talk about their platforms in the program. >> >> Stef >> >> On Sep 15, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Henrik Høyer wrote: >> >>> Just my humble thoughts... >>> >>> I watched the talks from Cincom and Instantiations , and was somewhat surprised of the very short time they were given. They are sponsors of the event, and should imho get more time to promote their offerings. >>> >>> The talks from the vendors was biased towards existing customers, and I think that the vendors should be given a chance to promote the offerings; show their usp's, showcase their references, present licensing information, prices etc. etc. >>> >>> Basically allow them to give the sales pitch, they would normally use to impress a prospect. >>> -- >>> Henrik Høyer, sPeople ApS >>> Chief Software Architect >>> (+45) 4029 2092 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de > Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de > D-71640 Ludwigsburg > Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Sept. 16, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Thanks to ESUG and their sponsors

by Joachim Tuchel

Henrik, from what I've heard in the coffee break (and I agree to that), most people here in Barcelona thought this is enough. The idea (or at least the ideaof the audience) was that each vendor can present some of their hghlights to the wider Smalltalk communities, but not more than that. The users of a certain dialect probably know most of that stuff already, and the others just want to hear what's going on in the other dialects. And, of course, you must keep in mind that we have lots of time for talking between the talks, and the real fun is not in the talks but between them. When you're not here, you miss a lot, even if you can see the prsentations. Luckily, all the vendor representants here are open minded, friendly and don't show a "them vs. us" attitude. You can see people from Gemstone, Instantiations and Cincom standing together and chatting, as well as Cincomers working on Smalltalk code in Pharo or VA Smalltalk, in order to port some framework over or play with stuff. So if you were here and wanted to learn morw about a specific feature, you could always approach Arden, Dale or John and have a chat. Which is what's happening. While we're at it, let me phrase it in my words: ESUG is a conference, not a tradeshow. I'd be p*d off if I had flown here, booked a hotel and paid for long sales talks. I'd be happy to listen to long sales presentations if this would make ESUG attendence free. But as long as I pay for it: no commercial breaks, please ;-) Just my thoughts Joachim Am 15.09.10 15:26, schrieb stephane ducasse: > all the vendors were given the same amount of time. And there are a lot of talk about their platforms in the program. > > Stef > > On Sep 15, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Henrik Høyer wrote: > >> Just my humble thoughts... >> >> I watched the talks from Cincom and Instantiations , and was somewhat surprised of the very short time they were given. They are sponsors of the event, and should imho get more time to promote their offerings. >> >> The talks from the vendors was biased towards existing customers, and I think that the vendors should be given a chance to promote the offerings; show their usp's, showcase their references, present licensing information, prices etc. etc. >> >> Basically allow them to give the sales pitch, they would normally use to impress a prospect. >> -- >> Henrik Høyer, sPeople ApS >> Chief Software Architect >> (+45) 4029 2092 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de D-71640 Ludwigsburg Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1

Sept. 15, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down?

by James Robertson

I will be processing and posting the videos soon. The raw videos aren't completely suitable for posting - for one thing, flash video won't work on iPhones/iPads, so it's useful to have more formats available. On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Jordi Delgado wrote: > So far everything has been recorded and streamed (yesterday room C sessions with very bad sound, sorry for that). > All videos have been downloaded by ESUG and James Robertson, so we guess they will be on-line really soon. > > We are really happy that you like our work. We'll try to keep it at this level until friday. Let's see... > > Bests, > > Jordi > > > > >> I am deeply impressed by the amount of work you guys are putting into this. Being able to see both the slides, the questions from the audience, and the speaker is really appreciated. >> >> Is it possible to catch the recordings from the previous sessions? Due to the parallel tracks I missed some that talks that looked interesting. >> >> -- >> Henrik Høyer, sPeople ApS >> Chief Software Architect >> (+45) 4029 2092 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: stephane ducasse [mailto:stephane.ducasse@gmail.com] >> Sent: 15. september 2010 15:02 >> To: Henrik Høyer >> Cc: ESUG Mailing list >> Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down? >> >> your welcome :) >> Big thanks to Jordi and citilab crew >> >> On Sep 15, 2010, at 10:41 AM, Henrik Høyer wrote: >> >>> And now both are running - great!! >>> >>> Thanks a lot for the live feeds. This is absolutely great for those of us who aren't able to attend >>> >>> >>> <speoplelogo5af1.png> Henrik Høyer >>> Chief Software Architect >>> hh(a)sppl.dk * (+45) 4029 2092 >>> Rued Langgaards Vej 7 * 2300 Kbh. S >>> www.sPeople.dk * (+45) 7023 7775 >>> >>> >>> From: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf OfHenrik Høyer >>> Sent: 15. september 2010 10:37 >>> To: ESUG Mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down? >>> >>> Now the Scala-C is up and running, but Auditorio is still down L >>> >>> >>> <image001.png> >>> Henrik Høyer >>> Chief Software Architect >>> hh(a)sppl.dk * (+45) 4029 2092 >>> Rued Langgaards Vej 7 * 2300 Kbh. S >>> www.sPeople.dk * (+45) 7023 7775 >>> >>> >>> From: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf OfHenrik Høyer >>> Sent: 15. september 2010 10:31 >>> To: ESUG Mailing list >>> Subject: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down? >>> >>> >>> >>> <image001.png> >>> Henrik Høyer >>> Chief Software Architect >>> hh(a)sppl.dk * (+45) 4029 2092 >>> Rued Langgaards Vej 7 * 2300 Kbh. S >>> www.sPeople.dk * (+45) 7023 7775 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Sept. 15, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down?

by Jordi Delgado

So far everything has been recorded and streamed (yesterday room C sessions with very bad sound, sorry for that). All videos have been downloaded by ESUG and James Robertson, so we guess they will be on-line really soon. We are really happy that you like our work. We'll try to keep it at this level until friday. Let's see... Bests, Jordi > I am deeply impressed by the amount of work you guys are putting into this. Being able to see both the slides, the questions from the audience, and the speaker is really appreciated. > > Is it possible to catch the recordings from the previous sessions? Due to the parallel tracks I missed some that talks that looked interesting. > > -- > Henrik Høyer, sPeople ApS > Chief Software Architect > (+45) 4029 2092 > -----Original Message----- > From: stephane ducasse [mailto:stephane.ducasse@gmail.com] > Sent: 15. september 2010 15:02 > To: Henrik Høyer > Cc: ESUG Mailing list > Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down? > > your welcome :) > Big thanks to Jordi and citilab crew > > On Sep 15, 2010, at 10:41 AM, Henrik Høyer wrote: > > > And now both are running - great!! > > > > Thanks a lot for the live feeds. This is absolutely great for those of us who aren't able to attend > > > > > > <speoplelogo5af1.png> Henrik Høyer > > Chief Software Architect > > hh(a)sppl.dk * (+45) 4029 2092 > > Rued Langgaards Vej 7 * 2300 Kbh. S > > www.sPeople.dk * (+45) 7023 7775 > > > > > > From: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf OfHenrik Høyer > > Sent: 15. september 2010 10:37 > > To: ESUG Mailing list > > Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down? > > > > Now the Scala-C is up and running, but Auditorio is still down L > > > > > > <image001.png> > > Henrik Høyer > > Chief Software Architect > > hh(a)sppl.dk * (+45) 4029 2092 > > Rued Langgaards Vej 7 * 2300 Kbh. S > > www.sPeople.dk * (+45) 7023 7775 > > > > > > From: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf OfHenrik Høyer > > Sent: 15. september 2010 10:31 > > To: ESUG Mailing list > > Subject: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down? > > > > > > > > <image001.png> > > Henrik Høyer > > Chief Software Architect > > hh(a)sppl.dk * (+45) 4029 2092 > > Rued Langgaards Vej 7 * 2300 Kbh. S > > www.sPeople.dk * (+45) 7023 7775 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Sept. 15, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Thanks to ESUG and their sponsors

by stephane ducasse

all the vendors were given the same amount of time. And there are a lot of talk about their platforms in the program. Stef On Sep 15, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Henrik Høyer wrote: > Just my humble thoughts... > > I watched the talks from Cincom and Instantiations , and was somewhat surprised of the very short time they were given. They are sponsors of the event, and should imho get more time to promote their offerings. > > The talks from the vendors was biased towards existing customers, and I think that the vendors should be given a chance to promote the offerings; show their usp's, showcase their references, present licensing information, prices etc. etc. > > Basically allow them to give the sales pitch, they would normally use to impress a prospect. > -- > Henrik Høyer, sPeople ApS > Chief Software Architect > (+45) 4029 2092 > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Sept. 15, 2010

Thanks to ESUG and their sponsors

by Henrik Høyer

Just my humble thoughts... I watched the talks from Cincom and Instantiations , and was somewhat surprised of the very short time they were given. They are sponsors of the event, and should imho get more time to promote their offerings. The talks from the vendors was biased towards existing customers, and I think that the vendors should be given a chance to promote the offerings; show their usp's, showcase their references, present licensing information, prices etc. etc. Basically allow them to give the sales pitch, they would normally use to impress a prospect. -- Henrik Høyer, sPeople ApS Chief Software Architect (+45) 4029 2092

Sept. 15, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down?

by Marcus Denker

On Sep 15, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Joachim Tuchel wrote: > Hi, > > has anybody announced anything about recordings being available somewhere? They will be online... I guess the first ones tomorrow. (The bus for the social event leaves 16h, so no time today...) Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Sept. 15, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down?

by Henrik Høyer

I am deeply impressed by the amount of work you guys are putting into this. Being able to see both the slides, the questions from the audience, and the speaker is really appreciated. Is it possible to catch the recordings from the previous sessions? Due to the parallel tracks I missed some that talks that looked interesting. -- Henrik Høyer, sPeople ApS Chief Software Architect (+45) 4029 2092 -----Original Message----- From: stephane ducasse [mailto:stephane.ducasse@gmail.com] Sent: 15. september 2010 15:02 To: Henrik Høyer Cc: ESUG Mailing list Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down? your welcome :) Big thanks to Jordi and citilab crew On Sep 15, 2010, at 10:41 AM, Henrik Høyer wrote: > And now both are running - great!! > > Thanks a lot for the live feeds. This is absolutely great for those of us who aren't able to attend > > > <speoplelogo5af1.png> Henrik Høyer > Chief Software Architect > hh(a)sppl.dk * (+45) 4029 2092 > Rued Langgaards Vej 7 * 2300 Kbh. S > www.sPeople.dk * (+45) 7023 7775 > > > From: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf OfHenrik Høyer > Sent: 15. september 2010 10:37 > To: ESUG Mailing list > Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down? > > Now the Scala-C is up and running, but Auditorio is still down L > > > <image001.png> > Henrik Høyer > Chief Software Architect > hh(a)sppl.dk * (+45) 4029 2092 > Rued Langgaards Vej 7 * 2300 Kbh. S > www.sPeople.dk * (+45) 7023 7775 > > > From: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf OfHenrik Høyer > Sent: 15. september 2010 10:31 > To: ESUG Mailing list > Subject: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down? > > > > <image001.png> > Henrik Høyer > Chief Software Architect > hh(a)sppl.dk * (+45) 4029 2092 > Rued Langgaards Vej 7 * 2300 Kbh. S > www.sPeople.dk * (+45) 7023 7775 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Sept. 15, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down?

by Joachim Tuchel

Hi, has anybody announced anything about recordings being available somewhere? Joachim Am 15.09.10 15:01, schrieb stephane ducasse: > your welcome :) > Big thanks to Jordi and citilab crew > > On Sep 15, 2010, at 10:41 AM, Henrik Høyer wrote: > >> And now both are running – great!! >> >> Thanks a lot for the live feeds. This is absolutely great for those of us who aren’t able to attend >> >> >> <speoplelogo5af1.png> Henrik Høyer >> Chief Software Architect >> hh(a)sppl.dk • (+45) 4029 2092 >> Rued Langgaards Vej 7 • 2300 Kbh. S >> www.sPeople.dk • (+45) 7023 7775 >> >> >> From: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf OfHenrik Høyer >> Sent: 15. september 2010 10:37 >> To: ESUG Mailing list >> Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down? >> >> Now the Scala-C is up and running, but Auditorio is still down L >> >> >> <image001.png> >> Henrik Høyer >> Chief Software Architect >> hh(a)sppl.dk • (+45) 4029 2092 >> Rued Langgaards Vej 7 • 2300 Kbh. S >> www.sPeople.dk • (+45) 7023 7775 >> >> >> From: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf OfHenrik Høyer >> Sent: 15. september 2010 10:31 >> To: ESUG Mailing list >> Subject: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down? >> >> >> >> <image001.png> >> Henrik Høyer >> Chief Software Architect >> hh(a)sppl.dk • (+45) 4029 2092 >> Rued Langgaards Vej 7 • 2300 Kbh. S >> www.sPeople.dk • (+45) 7023 7775 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de D-71640 Ludwigsburg Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1

Sept. 15, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down?

by stephane ducasse

your welcome :) Big thanks to Jordi and citilab crew On Sep 15, 2010, at 10:41 AM, Henrik Høyer wrote: > And now both are running – great!! > > Thanks a lot for the live feeds. This is absolutely great for those of us who aren’t able to attend > > > <speoplelogo5af1.png> Henrik Høyer > Chief Software Architect > hh(a)sppl.dk • (+45) 4029 2092 > Rued Langgaards Vej 7 • 2300 Kbh. S > www.sPeople.dk • (+45) 7023 7775 > > > From: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf OfHenrik Høyer > Sent: 15. september 2010 10:37 > To: ESUG Mailing list > Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down? > > Now the Scala-C is up and running, but Auditorio is still down L > > > <image001.png> > Henrik Høyer > Chief Software Architect > hh(a)sppl.dk • (+45) 4029 2092 > Rued Langgaards Vej 7 • 2300 Kbh. S > www.sPeople.dk • (+45) 7023 7775 > > > From: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf OfHenrik Høyer > Sent: 15. september 2010 10:31 > To: ESUG Mailing list > Subject: [Esug-list] Is the live streaming down? > > > > <image001.png> > Henrik Høyer > Chief Software Architect > hh(a)sppl.dk • (+45) 4029 2092 > Rued Langgaards Vej 7 • 2300 Kbh. S > www.sPeople.dk • (+45) 7023 7775 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Sept. 15, 2010