September 2010 - Esug-list

Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice

by Telebit Consulting S.r.l.

Yes, we are using VSE Nino Galante ___________________ Telebit Consulting S.r.l. http://www.telebitconsulting.it ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Kelly To: Henrik Høyer ; The general-purpose Squeak developers list ; ESUG Mailing list Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice If you are continuing to use VSE, please reply to the list with at least a simple "Yes". I have no interest in VSE, but Henrik has asked twice and got no replies (on this list), so let's at least help reduce a fellow Smalltalker's frustration. Cheers, Steve From: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf Of Henrik Høyer Sent: 7. syyskuuta 2010 22:04 To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list; ESUG Mailing list Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice Dear all From the reactions to my post, I fear that people might have misunderstood me. Bear in mind, that I am not a native English speaker - though my language might sound harsh and offensive, I do have the best intensions. The subject of the original post should perhaps have been: "Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprise *customers*". Who shot VSE a long time ago is another discussion. As are the discussion of how/whether one could/should port the applications to other Smalltalk dialects. My focus is entirely on how the current VSE users can extend the life of their applications on the VSE platform. Even though development on VSE stopped more than 10 years ago, the applications are still running today on current operating system versions and with on-par performance. Part of VSE is closed source; The VM, the compiler and several other stuff. Though clever hacking/patching bugs in these closed parts of VSE have been fixes by the community since the official development stopped. But Cincom (who has the exclusive rights to make money from supporting the product) has now unleashed its lawyers, and are threatening some of the most active people in the community. The amount of "lawyer muscle" behind the threats are actually keeping people from even replying to this post. I did have a deep respect for Cincom; they have done a great job for the Smalltalk community. I don't know where in their organization the "money matters more than ethics" policy is in action. It is not among the Smalltalk people we all know, but the ones who are pulling the strings are in fact doing a lot of damage to their corporate image. I know that some Cincom employees have commented on my post, but I still have had no answers to the main question: Are Cincom willing to donate/sell their "exclusive exploratory rights to the VSE product"? Please note: The question is not about the IP. It is only about the rights that Cincom holds, oh and by the way; are Cincom willing to disclose the contact they have with Seagull regarding these rights? With all the best intensions Henrik Høyer Chief Software Architect hh(a)sppl.dk . (+45) 4029 2092 Rued Langgaards Vej 7 . 2300 Kbh. S www.sPeople.dk . (+45) 7023 7775 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Sept. 22, 2010

Colstme in September

by Alexander Lazarević

Hi! Just a short reminder that the next Cologne Smalltalk Meetup will be happening next Thursday at the usual time and location. For any details have a look at [1]. Cheers, Alex [1] http://colstme.selfish.org/events/2010.4-Stammtisch

Sept. 22, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Best Spreading Smalltalk Actions

by Geert Claes

Congrats guys! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Best-Spreading-Smalltalk-Actions-tp2542311p2550101.ht… Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 22, 2010

ESUG actions (was: Best Spreading Smalltalk Actions)

by Noury Bouraqadi

Hi, ESUG is willing to support all actions everywhere. The "E" of ESUG can also be interpreted as "Earth-wide" :-) In places where there are Smalltalk groups we help them (sponsoring). Otherwise we push their creation. If you have a project that might help the Smalltalk community in someway (free software project, writing books, organizing an event, ...), you are eligible to ESUG support. Just submit your proposal to the ESUG board (board(a)esug.org) and you'll get quickly an answer. You can find a list of ESUG actions on-line: http://www.esug.org/Promotion Noury ESUG Treasurer www.esug.org On 21 sept. 2010, at 13:25, Germán Arduino wrote: > Hi: > > I agree with Mariano, ESUG is sponsoring me even when I do not live in > Europe and I can not even go to conferences in Europe. > > Also they helped me to present my products in two editions of > Innovation Technology Awards, without being present. > > Thanks ESUG. > > > 2010/9/21 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Casey Ransberger <casey.obrien.r(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> As far as sponsoring local user groups: does this apply only in Europe? Or >>> can people outside of Europe also ask for support? >> >> I think they can. We got sponsored twice for SqueakDBX and we were living >> in Argentina. German is now sponsored for RPC project and he also lives >> there. >> >> In addition, FAST (which can be kind of local user group in Argentina) >> received something too. >> >> But maybe I am wrong....I cc'ed esug mailing list. >> >> cheers >> >> mariano >> >>> >>> On Sep 17, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Stay tuned :) the new board acted that it will launch a lot of new >>>> actions >>>> Sponsoring local user groups >>>> Conference sponsoring Smalltalk Solutions, Smalltalks >>>> Smalltalk in the cloud >>>> Smalltalk and robots >>>> Smalltalk web Archive >>>> Summertalk Project... >>>> But we will have two ESUG action ambassadors: Alain Plantec and Serge >>>> Stinckwich >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 17, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>>> >>>>> Congratulations! Your efforts are really appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 16 Sep 2010, at 19:41, laurent laffont wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you !! >>>>>> >>>>>> Laurent >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Noury Bouraqadi <bouraqadi(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Although the technology is important, spreading the word is also of >>>>>> great value to the Smalltalk community. >>>>>> This is why the ESUG board decided to distinguish two people for their >>>>>> actions on this-level: >>>>>> >>>>>> -Damien Cassou >>>>>> for Squeak-dev: an initiative which makes developers life easier by >>>>>> setting a ready to use image including best available tools. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Laurent Laffont >>>>>> for Pharocast: quality screencasts that illustrates various facets of >>>>>> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Congratulations Damien and Laurent! >>>>>> >>>>>> Noury @ ESUG 2010 - Barcelona :-) >>>>>> --- >>>>>> 18th International Smalltalk Joint Conference, September 13 -17 2010 >>>>>> Barcelona, Spain. >>>>>> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2010 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>> >>>>> "Some battles are better lost than fought." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > ================================================= > Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino > Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com > PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com > =================================================

Sept. 21, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] [Pharo-users] moose 4.1

by Stéphane Ducasse

cool! On Sep 20, 2010, at 6:14 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hello, > > We are happy to announce the Moose Suite version 4.1: > http://moosetechnology.org/download > > What's new: > > • Significant speed improvements of Mondrian and Glamour > • Improved Mondrian drawing of complex shapes > • Improved Glamour engine to handle cyclic updates > • New user interface look an feel > • Improved set of Glamour widgets > • Re-packaging to strengthen the naming convention > • Re-organization of the code to break unwanted dependencies > • Cleaning of FAMIX > • New extensible design of the Moose Finder > • New PetitParser-based parsers for MSE, Java, and MANIFEST.MF files > • New browser for meta-models described in MSE files > • Based on Pharo 1.1 > > A complete list of issues fixed in this release can be found at:http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/list?can=1&q=status=Fix… > > An incomplete set of future actions: > > • Better browsers for various analyses use cases > • Improved FAMIX query API (MooseChic) > • Improved Glamour widgets > • EyeSee engine for drawing charts > • AST for Java > > > Have fun, > The Moose Team > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

Sept. 20, 2010

moose 4.1

by Tudor Girba

Hello, We are happy to announce the Moose Suite version 4.1: http://moosetechnology.org/download What's new: • Significant speed improvements of Mondrian and Glamour • Improved Mondrian drawing of complex shapes • Improved Glamour engine to handle cyclic updates • New user interface look an feel • Improved set of Glamour widgets • Re-packaging to strengthen the naming convention • Re-organization of the code to break unwanted dependencies • Cleaning of FAMIX • New extensible design of the Moose Finder • New PetitParser-based parsers for MSE, Java, and MANIFEST.MF files • New browser for meta-models described in MSE files • Based on Pharo 1.1 A complete list of issues fixed in this release can be found at:http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/list?can=1&q=status=Fix… An incomplete set of future actions: • Better browsers for various analyses use cases • Improved FAMIX query API (MooseChic) • Improved Glamour widgets • EyeSee engine for drawing charts • AST for Java Have fun, The Moose Team

Sept. 20, 2010

A point about building community

by Stéphane Ducasse

Hi guys as you will be able to hear it when the esug videos will be online (pretty soon in fact), I would like to restate some points: - ESUG wants powerful smalltalk vendors. We need them strong, innovative... Enlighten us :) - ESUG wants to push Smalltalk - you will get some announce and summary of our next actions :) - ESUG wants to have a powerful open source community and it will help we are happy to announce the creation of scona the mailing-list of the north america user group. http://scona.us/mailman/listinfo/scona-list If you want to help to push with us and you have some time/ideas... let us know. Stef

Sept. 18, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Running WebVelocity in the Amazon cloud

by stephane ducasse

cool! Stef On Sep 16, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Arden Thomas wrote: > Dear ESUG folks; > > Below are the links to the videos I would have liked to have shown, had I more presentation time. > > It demonstrates exactly what setup is needed to configure and use this Smalltalk product in the cloud, both for development, and deployment, including load balancing. > > I thought many in this audience could benefit seeing how this is done. > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20291/Cincom%20Smalltalk/AmazonRDS-2010-07-22-part1… > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20291/Cincom%20Smalltalk/AmazonRDS-2010-07-22-part2… > > Regards > > Arden > > Arden Thomas > Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager > athomas(a)cincom.com > 845 296 0686 > > Cincom Smalltalk - It makes hard things easier, the impossible, possible > > "Simplicity is the Ultimate Sophistication" - Leonardo Da Vinci > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Sept. 17, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] Thanks to ESUG and their sponsors

by stephane ducasse

On Sep 16, 2010, at 10:44 PM, John O'Keefe wrote: > I, for one, was happy with our 30 minutes since it was not on the usual Friday morning :-) ;) Thanks john for this mail :) I have so many constraints, you see I put a really excellent talk instead. :) Imagine friday morning at 9h after the rain. Lukas survived to it. > But more seriously, I will just echo Joachim's email (since we talked about this subject for a length of time before he sent it, I saw no surprises there). 30 minutes is sufficient to give an overview of product status. If there is something of particular interest (and more depth) that a vendor has to say, they can submit other presentation proposals on those specific topics. Tx john. People should remember that this is their conference, we try to get stuff happening but at the end the submissions are important. For the tech awards for example you can only vote for what the people propose. Stef

Sept. 17, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] [Pharo-project] Best Spreading Smalltalk Actions

by Stéphane Ducasse

Stay tuned :) the new board acted that it will launch a lot of new actions Sponsoring local user groups Conference sponsoring Smalltalk Solutions, Smalltalks Smalltalk in the cloud Smalltalk and robots Smalltalk web Archive Summertalk Project... But we will have two ESUG action ambassadors: Alain Plantec and Serge Stinckwich Stef On Sep 17, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Congratulations! Your efforts are really appreciated. > > Doru > > > On 16 Sep 2010, at 19:41, laurent laffont wrote: > >> Thank you !! >> >> Laurent >> >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Noury Bouraqadi <bouraqadi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Although the technology is important, spreading the word is also of great value to the Smalltalk community. >> This is why the ESUG board decided to distinguish two people for their actions on this-level: >> >> -Damien Cassou >> for Squeak-dev: an initiative which makes developers life easier by setting a ready to use image including best available tools. >> >> -Laurent Laffont >> for Pharocast: quality screencasts that illustrates various facets of >> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ >> >> Congratulations Damien and Laurent! >> >> Noury @ ESUG 2010 - Barcelona :-) >> --- >> 18th International Smalltalk Joint Conference, September 13 -17 2010 Barcelona, Spain. >> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2010 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Some battles are better lost than fought." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 17, 2010