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Re: [Esug-list] [vwnc] ESUG 2010 registration dead-line is approaching!

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

Serge, I am not complaining that *I* cannot read it. I just want to say I would prefer to not tease people onto a news page that is not accessible to everybody. This may give a false impression on how welcome non-insiders are to the conference. Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> hat am 2. Juli 2010 um 15:30 geschrieben: > > Hi Joaquim, > There is no information on the FB event that is not on the ESUG website. > This is just a convenient way to do some some buzz. > Thank you. > > Le 2 juil. 2010 à 17:49, "jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de" <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> a > écrit : > > > Just a side note: > > > >> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2010 > > > > If I visit the conference page, there is a link to Conference news on > > Facebook > > This is only accessible for registered Facebook users. > > I think it's not a good idea to be a closed circle. > > > > Joachim > > > > > > > > Noury Bouraqadi <bouraqadi(a)gmail.com> hat am 2. Juli 2010 um 00:32 > > geschrieben > > > >> Dear Smalltalkers, > >> > >> The dead-line for registration at early bird fees is approaching (one month > >> to > >> go). > >> So, hurry up and register on our new seaside-based server. > >> http://registration.esug.org/ > >> This server comes with new features. > >> You can now do a group registration and make a single payment. > >> Also, we have reduction tickets (typically for Golden and Platinum > >> sponsors). > >> > >> The ESUG 2010 conference program is about to be ready, and it is as > >> promising > >> as was for the previous editions of the conference. > >> Checkout the preliminary schedule is already on the web, > >> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2010 > >> > >> See you in Barcelona, > >> Noury > >> ESUG treasurer > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> vwnc mailing list > >> vwnc(a)cs.uiuc.edu > >> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de > > Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de > > D-71640 Ludwigsburg > > Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de D-71640 Ludwigsburg Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1

July 2, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] [vwnc] ESUG 2010 registration dead-line is approaching!

by Serge Stinckwich

Hi Joaquim, There is no information on the FB event that is not on the ESUG website. This is just a convenient way to do some some buzz. Thank you. Le 2 juil. 2010 à 17:49, "jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de" <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> a écrit : > Just a side note: > >> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2010 > > If I visit the conference page, there is a link to Conference news on Facebook > This is only accessible for registered Facebook users. > I think it's not a good idea to be a closed circle. > > Joachim > > > > Noury Bouraqadi <bouraqadi(a)gmail.com> hat am 2. Juli 2010 um 00:32 geschrieben > >> Dear Smalltalkers, >> >> The dead-line for registration at early bird fees is approaching (one month to >> go). >> So, hurry up and register on our new seaside-based server. >> http://registration.esug.org/ >> This server comes with new features. >> You can now do a group registration and make a single payment. >> Also, we have reduction tickets (typically for Golden and Platinum sponsors). >> >> The ESUG 2010 conference program is about to be ready, and it is as promising >> as was for the previous editions of the conference. >> Checkout the preliminary schedule is already on the web, >> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2010 >> >> See you in Barcelona, >> Noury >> ESUG treasurer >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vwnc mailing list >> vwnc(a)cs.uiuc.edu >> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de > Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de > D-71640 Ludwigsburg > Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

July 2, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] [vwnc] ESUG 2010 registration dead-line is approaching!

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

Jordi, I think ESUG shouldn't look like a closed circle, and there may still be some people around who neither have nor want a facebook account. For these people it doesn't even matter if there is any info on that site at all: they will never find out and may feel locked out. Joachim Jordi Delgado <jdelgado(a)lsi.upc.edu> hat am 2. Juli 2010 um 14:43 geschrieben: > Hi > > > Just a side note: > > > > > http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2010 > > > > If I visit the conference page, there is a link to Conference news on > > Facebook > > This is only accessible for registered Facebook users. > > I think it's not a good idea to be a closed circle. > > Please, correct me if I am wrong, but I guess all events on facebook can only > be seen by facebook users. > Anyway, this event may be seen by any facebook user. > > On the other hand, do not worry. There is nothing there that is not in ESUG > web > site. No closed circles here. > > Bests, > > Jordi > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de D-71640 Ludwigsburg Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1

July 2, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] [vwnc] ESUG 2010 registration dead-line is approaching!

by Jordi Delgado

Hi > Just a side note: > > > http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2010 > > If I visit the conference page, there is a link to Conference news on Facebook > This is only accessible for registered Facebook users. > I think it's not a good idea to be a closed circle. Please, correct me if I am wrong, but I guess all events on facebook can only be seen by facebook users. Anyway, this event may be seen by any facebook user. On the other hand, do not worry. There is nothing there that is not in ESUG web site. No closed circles here. Bests, Jordi

July 2, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] [vwnc] ESUG 2010 registration dead-line is approaching!

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

Just a side note: > http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2010 If I visit the conference page, there is a link to Conference news on Facebook This is only accessible for registered Facebook users. I think it's not a good idea to be a closed circle. Joachim Noury Bouraqadi <bouraqadi(a)gmail.com> hat am 2. Juli 2010 um 00:32 geschrieben: > Dear Smalltalkers, > > The dead-line for registration at early bird fees is approaching (one month to > go). > So, hurry up and register on our new seaside-based server. > http://registration.esug.org/ > This server comes with new features. > You can now do a group registration and make a single payment. > Also, we have reduction tickets (typically for Golden and Platinum sponsors). > > The ESUG 2010 conference program is about to be ready, and it is as promising > as was for the previous editions of the conference. > Checkout the preliminary schedule is already on the web, > http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2010 > > See you in Barcelona, > Noury > ESUG treasurer > > > _______________________________________________ > vwnc mailing list > vwnc(a)cs.uiuc.edu > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de D-71640 Ludwigsburg Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1

July 2, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] bank transfer

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

Stephan, so mabe I am talking about a German specialty. All our banks give me a selection between SEPA payments within the EU and international payments for the rest of the world. If I select a SEPA payment, they never ask about sharing costs, because that is defined. SEPA payments have the same cost (if any) like domestic payments. Joachim Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> hat am 2. Juli 2010 um 11:30 geschrieben: > Joachim, > > I am not sure how all transfers are called, but all banks offer for > international payments a choice between: > - all costs are for the initiator (DOM) > - we share the cost (SHA) > - all costs are for benificiary (BEN) > > Only when you choose SHA, the bank has to transfer cost free within > the EU. As said: if you check DOM, most banks will charge you. > > grtz. Stephan and Diego > > > On 2 jul 2010, at 11:12, jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de wrote: > > > Stephan, > > > > are you talking about payments within the EU (SEPA transfers) or > > international > > (SWIFT) payments? > > Within the EU, if you initiate a SEPA payment, they won't charge any > > more than > > for domestic payments and there should normally not be any question > > about > > sharing costs at all... > > > > Joachim > > > > Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> hat am 2. Juli 2010 um 10:30 > > geschrieben: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I just registered for the ESUG 2010 and I found the message about the > >> bank transfer misleading. Stephan remarked: again!. > >> > >> For European (within EU) transfers, people should fill out shared > >> cost > >> (SHA), in order to ensure the payment is done without costs at all. > >> When you tell your bank "without costs to the beneficiary" they will > >> charge you. > >> > >> Grtz. Diego > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Esug-list mailing list > >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de > > Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de > > D-71640 Ludwigsburg > > Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de D-71640 Ludwigsburg Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1

July 2, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] bank transfer

by Noury Bouraqadi

Hi Stephan, You're right. This statement is valid only for transfers from outside the European Union. We'll fix it. Best, Noury On 2 juil. 2010, at 11:30, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > Joachim, > > I am not sure how all transfers are called, but all banks offer for international payments a choice between: > - all costs are for the initiator (DOM) > - we share the cost (SHA) > - all costs are for benificiary (BEN) > > Only when you choose SHA, the bank has to transfer cost free within the EU. As said: if you check DOM, most banks will charge you. > > grtz. Stephan and Diego > > > On 2 jul 2010, at 11:12, jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de wrote: > >> Stephan, >> >> are you talking about payments within the EU (SEPA transfers) or international >> (SWIFT) payments? >> Within the EU, if you initiate a SEPA payment, they won't charge any more than >> for domestic payments and there should normally not be any question about >> sharing costs at all... >> >> Joachim >> >> Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> hat am 2. Juli 2010 um 10:30 geschrieben: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I just registered for the ESUG 2010 and I found the message about the >>> bank transfer misleading. Stephan remarked: again!. >>> >>> For European (within EU) transfers, people should fill out shared cost >>> (SHA), in order to ensure the payment is done without costs at all. >>> When you tell your bank "without costs to the beneficiary" they will >>> charge you. >>> >>> Grtz. Diego >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de >> Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de >> D-71640 Ludwigsburg >> Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

July 2, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] bank transfer

by Stephan Eggermont

Joachim, I am not sure how all transfers are called, but all banks offer for international payments a choice between: - all costs are for the initiator (DOM) - we share the cost (SHA) - all costs are for benificiary (BEN) Only when you choose SHA, the bank has to transfer cost free within the EU. As said: if you check DOM, most banks will charge you. grtz. Stephan and Diego On 2 jul 2010, at 11:12, jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de wrote: > Stephan, > > are you talking about payments within the EU (SEPA transfers) or > international > (SWIFT) payments? > Within the EU, if you initiate a SEPA payment, they won't charge any > more than > for domestic payments and there should normally not be any question > about > sharing costs at all... > > Joachim > > Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> hat am 2. Juli 2010 um 10:30 > geschrieben: > >> Hi all, >> >> I just registered for the ESUG 2010 and I found the message about the >> bank transfer misleading. Stephan remarked: again!. >> >> For European (within EU) transfers, people should fill out shared >> cost >> (SHA), in order to ensure the payment is done without costs at all. >> When you tell your bank "without costs to the beneficiary" they will >> charge you. >> >> Grtz. Diego >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de > Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de > D-71640 Ludwigsburg > Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

July 2, 2010

Re: [Esug-list] bank transfer

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

Stephan, are you talking about payments within the EU (SEPA transfers) or international (SWIFT) payments? Within the EU, if you initiate a SEPA payment, they won't charge any more than for domestic payments and there should normally not be any question about sharing costs at all... Joachim Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> hat am 2. Juli 2010 um 10:30 geschrieben: > Hi all, > > I just registered for the ESUG 2010 and I found the message about the > bank transfer misleading. Stephan remarked: again!. > > For European (within EU) transfers, people should fill out shared cost > (SHA), in order to ensure the payment is done without costs at all. > When you tell your bank "without costs to the beneficiary" they will > charge you. > > Grtz. Diego > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de D-71640 Ludwigsburg Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1

July 2, 2010

bank transfer

by Stephan Eggermont

Hi all, I just registered for the ESUG 2010 and I found the message about the bank transfer misleading. Stephan remarked: again!. For European (within EU) transfers, people should fill out shared cost (SHA), in order to ensure the payment is done without costs at all. When you tell your bank "without costs to the beneficiary" they will charge you. Grtz. Diego

July 2, 2010