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Re: [Esug-list] [Pharo-users] Vote for the best Smalltalk book of the last 5 years...
by stephane ducasse Sept. 7, 2010

Sept. 7, 2010

May be you did not realized that I wrote more squeak books than pharo ones. So what is your problems? I do not have any and if you feel better because you have nice words against me then I'm at least useful for something. Stef On Sep 7, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Andreas Raab wrote: > Ah, a good old-fashioned "Stefane Ducasse is pissed" post. Hadn't had one in a while. You really need to *read* the Wikipedia article on conflict of interest before sending one of your hate mails. Conflicts of interest happen everywhere, to me, to you, to many people. The important part is to recognize them and to act accordingly. Here is the second paragraph from Wikipedia: > > "A conflict of interest can only exist if a person or testimony is entrusted with some impartiality; a modicum of trust is necessary to create it. The presence of a conflict of interest is independent from the execution of impropriety. Therefore, a conflict of interest can be discovered and voluntarily defused before any corruption occurs." > > It should be obvious that a person who is both organizer of a contest as well as participant is in a potential conflict of interest situation. If you recognize the conflict you can deal with it. It can be as simple as being explicit that you expect others to spread the invitation, for example by including "please redistribute this announcement as widely as possible in the Smalltalk community". > > Having said all that my original point still stands, namely that your invitation of the Pharo community specifically to vote is a clear expression of an unrecognized and unmitigated conflict of interest. You need to learn to recognize such situations and to act less emotionally. Conflicts of interests happen to all of us, they can be dealt with calmly and reasonably. And I expect the president of ESUG to be able to act in such a way. > > Cheers, > - Andreas > > On 9/7/2010 12:51 AM, stephane ducasse wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> for some more or less conceivable reason, this hasn't made it to the >>>>> Squeak list yet. >>>> >>>> like what? >>>> I'm curious to learn. >>> >>> Like "conflict of interest"? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest) >>> >>> "A conflict of interest (COI) occurs when an individual or organization is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation for an act in the other." >>> >>> Given that you're both the author of half of the books as well as president of ESUG (the organizer) it's pretty clear that you're stuck in a conflict of interest situation. Inviting the Pharo community to participate and not others only shows how deep the conflict of interest goes - the president of ESUG shouldn't favor individual communities, should he? >> >> Thanks andreas for this welcome mail. >> of course that esug does not something is not the wish of everybody. >> And people will vote not us. And this is not my fault if I spent my nights trying to get better a smalltalk world. >> Everybody can write books: a book is a word + a word + a word a lot of time, even you can do it. >> Now yesterday I had a difficult day >> - five visitors (one chilean, one argentinian, noury, luc, mariano and a team of 9 people to synchronize). >> You see I even forgot to send the mail to the seaside mailing-list. >> >> Thanks again for such encouragement. >> >> Stef (talking small). >> >

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Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice?
by Henrik Høyer Sept. 2, 2010

Sept. 2, 2010

Dear All If you have forgotten about Visual Smalltalk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Smalltalk_Enterprise) it is this really cool Smalltalk dialect that enables users to build native Windows applications. Visual Smalltalk is one of the original Smalltalk dialects, and was made by Digitalk. In 1995 active development stopped when the merger between ParcPlace and Digitalk happened. VSE has since been in the hands of ParcPlace-Digitalk, then ObjectShare, and since 1999 Cincom. The state of affair of Visual Smalltalk Enterprise (VSE) is not optimal. The VSE community has make several attempts in the past to clear this up. These attempts has all been made quietly and discrete. When I left ESUG last year I was confident that there was a future for open-sourcing VSE. Unfortunately I have since learned that Cincom are not willing to change anything, and are regarding VSE as a cash cow. The current status is: Cincom stopped all work on the VSE platform more than a decade ago Cincom continues to collect support fees for VSE Cincom has raised the price for VSE licenses Cincom only fixes bug on a case-by-case matter. Bugs fixed for one customer is not made available to other customers. Cincom charges huge money for fixing bugs. They charge by the hour, and since they don't have the knowledge one can expect 50-100 hours for trivial fixes Cincom does not hold the IP for VSE - Seagull Software does Cincom has exclusive rights for selling and supporting VSE Seagull Software has no problem selling/donating the IP Cincom has refused to sell/donate their rights Due to the above, VSE users are jumping through hoops to actually use the product on newer operating systems. To make the matters worse, every time anyone makes a bug fix, we all fear that Cincom will drop its lawyer muscle on us. I believe that the time has come to stop being discrete and speak up in public. For VSE to have a future we need to act now. I would love for Cincom to comment on these issues. Does Cincom really see the free support and maintenance made by the community as a threat to their business? Are Cincom interested in actually supporting VSE, and not just collecting money from their trapped customers? Does Cincom really believe that VSE customers will migrate to other products supplied by them, taking only their word for not abandoning them again in the future? Unfortunately I am not able to attend ESUG this year, but I hope that others will raise these questions. I am pretty sure nobody in the Smalltalk community will benefit from the death of VSE. -- Henrik Høyer, sPeople ApS Chief Software Architect (+45) 4029 2092

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Re: [Esug-list] Information about ESUG 2010 conference
by Alejandro Garcia Aug. 31, 2010

Aug. 31, 2010

This is bad news James your recordings last year were very important in my learning of smalltalk. Thank you very much. Do conference organizers have contemplated some form of recording? TIA > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 AM, James Robertson <jrobertson(a)cincom.com> wrote: >> I will not be at ESUG this year, so I won't be recording. If someone else records the talks, I'd be happy to host the video though. Getting large files to me could be easily accomplished via DropBox. >> >> >> James Robertson >> Cincom Smalltalk Product Evangelist >> http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView >> Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 30, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Geert Claes wrote: >> >>> >>> Looking at the list of talks I really wish I could be at the ESUG conference >>> ... will the talks be recorded so those who won't be able to be there will >>> be able to at least get an update afterwards? >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Information-about-ESUG-2010-conference-tp2400043p2400… >>> Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >

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Fwd: 3 year Smalltalk job offer at Nantes/Paris
by Stéphane Ducasse Aug. 31, 2010

Aug. 31, 2010

Hi guys here is a job offer for smalltalk for a 3 year period. Please reply to yohan directly. Stef > Je suis à la recherche d'ingénieurs en développement Smalltalk . > > Le poste actuel est pour l'ouest de la France, entre Nantes et Paris, pour > une période minimum de 3 ans. > > Restant à votre disposition, > Cordialement. > > Yohan Choquer > Ingénieur Commercial > ___________________________________________________________ > > Informatique - Bureau d'Etudes > Assistance Technique - Conseil - Ingénierie - Formation > > ZAC Les Hauts de Couëron, Rue des forgerons, > 44220 Couëron, France Plan d'accès > Tél : +33 (0)2 51 83 03 00 > Mob : +33 (0)6 03 18 60 82 > Fax : +33 (0)2 51 83 03 01 > www.gconsept.com<http://www.gconsept.com>

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invitation: meeting of the Frankfurt Smalltalk User Group on September 21st
by Nowak, Helge Aug. 24, 2010

Aug. 24, 2010

Dear Smalltalkers, it's been a while but now we want to carry on the tradition of the Frankfurt Smalltalk User Group meetings. We are happy to invite you to our next meeting on Tuesday September 21st. Alan Knight, Engineering Manager Cincom Smalltalk and lead developer of GLORP, will talk about the internals and optimization of GLORP. GLORP (Generic Lightweight Object-Relational Persistence) is an open-source cross-dialect OO-R mapping framework available for VisualWorks, ObjectStudio, VASmalltalk, Dolphin Smalltalk, Smalltalk/X, Pharo and Squeak. Arden Thomas, Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager, will be attending too. He will certainly be open to answer your questions and listen to your suggestions about the further development of Cincom Smalltalk. We welcome you at 18:30 on Tuesday September 21st in the offices of ITS-People GmbH, Frankfurt/Main, Lyoner Str. 44-48. Hope to see you there Helge P.S. Please join me to thank the ITS-People for providing their offices as meeting location again!!! ************************************************************** Helge Nowak Technical Account Manager Cincom Smalltalk Cincom Systems GmbH & Co. oHG Am Kronberger Hang 4 D-65824 Schwalbach/Ts. Tel.: +49-(0)89-89664494 Mobil: +49-(0)172-7400402 Fax: +49-(0)89-89664495 Email: mailto:hnowak@cincom.com Web: http://www.cincom.com <http://smalltalk.cincom.com> All about Cincom Smalltalk: http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com <http://smalltalk.cincom.com> A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. -- Albert Einstein Geschäftsführer/Managing Directors: Thomas M. Nies, Gerald L. Shawhan oHG mit Sitz/based in Schwalbach/Ts. (Amtsgericht Königstein/Ts. HRA 2653) Pers. haftender Gesellschafter/Partner liable to unlimited extent: Cincom Systems Verwaltungsgesellschaft mbH (Amtsgericht Königstein/Ts. HRB 5069) **************************************************************

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Looking for Smalltalkers
by Georg Heeg Aug. 20, 2010

Aug. 20, 2010

Dear Smalltalkers, We are looking to enlarge our Smalltalk team in Köthen (Anhalt) or Dortmund. Georg Heeg Georg Heeg eK, Dortmund und Köthen, HR Dortmund A 12812 Tel. +49-3496-214328, Fax +49-3496-214712

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Proceedings of the International Workshop on Smalltalk Technologies 2009
by Alexandre Bergel Aug. 19, 2010

Aug. 19, 2010

Dear Smalltalkers, Colleagues and Friends, This is a great pleasure for us to announce that the Proceedings of the International Workshop on Smalltalk Technologies 2009 are now available on the ACM Digital Library. You will find all the papers that have been accepted for publication. The URL is http://portal.acm.org/toc.cfm?id=1735935&type=proceeding&coll=GUIDE&dl=GUID… (Note that you will need an ACM account to download the paper from the ACM website) We are aware that the process took a long time. However, there is hardly more that we could have done to speed the process up. We sincerely would like to thank all the people who made this happen: - The authors, who have considered IWST as a publishing venue - The program committee who made a tremendous job in providing feedback and help the authors - The ESUG board for its guidance - The chair of IWST'2010 for helping pushing the ACM - Samuel Morello for his logo See you in a couple of weeks! Friendly regards, Alexandre and Noury -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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Looking for PhD candidates
by Alexandre Bergel Aug. 16, 2010

Aug. 16, 2010

Hi! The Chilean funding agency has a number of scholarships for doing a PhD. If you have a master or an engineering diploma and you want to work for 4 years on pharo and moose, contact me. The PhD will have to be realized in Santiago. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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Next Colstme 30th September
by Alexander Lazarević Aug. 14, 2010

Aug. 14, 2010

Please join us on the 30th of September for our fourth Cologne Smalltalk User Meetup. As always: Anyone interested in Smalltalk is invited, regardless if you only recently discovered the magic of doing things the Smalltalk way, are a die hard VM-Hacker, want to share your experience on web-development in Seaside or like to chit-chat while enjoying a Kölsch. There is no agenda yet, but I guess there will be much to talk about just after this years ESUG. We’re gonna meet at 7pm at Vision Factory GmbH Sömmeringstr. 75 50823 Köln (across the yard at the rear house) Please send a short notice to laza(a)blobworks.com if you are planning to attend. http://colstme.selfish.org <http://twitter.com/colstme> <http://tinyurl.com/firstcolstme>

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Someone to share a room for ESUG'10 ?
by Serge Stinckwich Aug. 13, 2010

Aug. 13, 2010

Hi all, i would like to share the cost of a bedroom with someone else during ESUG'10. As i will already pay a lot to come from Ha Noi to Barcelona, i'm looking for something in the range of 40-60 euros per night. BTW, normally if i don't drink beers, i don't snore ;-) Thank you. Regards, -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/

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