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Dumb question regarding Pharo
by David Pennington Feb. 27, 2014

Feb. 27, 2014

I have just posted on the new Pharo business site expressing a hope that I can convert some of my VA Smalltalk stuff to Pharo. However, I could do with a pointer as to how to create a window and add elements. I have been using the standard VA Window creation - effectively drag and drop - so I am not used to hand creating. Could anyone point me at a primer for this? I have googled but only found little snippets. Sorry for my incompetence (after 24 years of Smalltalk development :-) David Totally Objects Message sent using Winmail Mail Server

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[CFP] Dyla'14, Workshop on Dynamic Languages and Applications, at PLDI, Edinburgh
by Damien Cassou Feb. 27, 2014

Feb. 27, 2014

[CFP] Dyla'14, Workshop on Dynamic Languages and Applications, at PLDI, Edinburgh - What: 8th Workshop on Dynamic Languages and Applications - Where: Co-located with PLDI'14, Edinburgh, UK - When: June 12th Sponsored by ACM SIGPLAN Submission deadline: March 15th More info on the website: http://www.lifl.fr/dyla14/ Dyla is a place where developers and researchers can discuss new advances in the design, implementation and application of dynamically-typed languages. The expected audience of this workshop includes practitioners and researchers sharing the same interest in dynamically-typed languages. Lua, Python, Ruby, JavaScript and others are gaining a significant popularity both in industry and academia. Nevertheless, each community has the tendency to only look at what it produces. Broadening the scope of each community is the goal of the workshop. To achieve this goal Dyla's program and organization committees are composed of leading persons from many such languages. Topics -- - live programming - programming language extensions - programming environment extensions - domain-specific languages & tooling - executing environments - static & dynamic analyses - meta-object protocols - optional type-checking - reverse engineering - testing environments Organizing committee: -- - Damien Cassou, University of Lille 1, FR - Carl Friedrich Bolz, King's College London, GB - Johan Andersson, Burtcorp in Gothenburg, SE - Roberto Ierusalimschy, Catholic Univ. in Rio de Janeiro, BR - Tom Van Cutsem, Vrije Universiteit Brussel, BE Program committee: -- - Anne Etien, University Lille 1, France - David Schneider, Heinrich-Heine-Universität Düsseldorf, DE - Didier Verna, EPITA/LRDE, France - Edd Barrett, Department of Informatics, King's College London, GB - Joe Gibbs Politz, Brown University, USA - Peng Wu, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center, USA - Tim Felgentreff, Hasso-Plattner-Institut, DE - T. Stephen Strickland, University of Maryland, US - Yoshiki Ohshima, Viewpoints Research Institute, USA - Zachary P. Beane, Portland, USA - the 5 workshop organizers Abstract: -- Java and C# have been a major influence in the adoption of object-oriented language characteristics: academic features like interfaces, garbage collection, and meta-programming became technologies generally accepted by the industry. However, with the adoption of these languages, their limitations became apparent, as testified by industry reactions: invokedynamic has been included in the latest Java virtual machine release; the dynamic language runtime (DLR) is gaining popularity; C# adopted dynamic as a valid static type. Researchers and practitioners struggle with static type systems, overly complex abstract grammars, simplistic concurrency mechanisms, limited reflection capabilities, and the absence of higher-order language constructs such as delegation, closures, and continuations. Dynamic languages such as Ruby, Python, JavaScript and Lua are a step forward in addressing these problems and are getting more and more popular. To make these languages mainstream, practitioners have to look back and pick mechanisms up in existing dynamic languages such as Lisp, Scheme, Smalltalk and Self. The goal of this workshop is to act as a forum where practitioners can discuss new advances in the design, implementation and application of dynamically-typed languages that, sometimes radically, diverge from the statically typed class-based mainstream. Another objective is to discuss new as well as older "forgotten" languages and features in this context. Format and Submission Information -- The workshop will have a demo-oriented style. The idea is to allow participants to demonstrate new and interesting features and discuss what they feel is relevant for the dynamic-language community. To participate in the workshop, you can either - submit (before March 15th 2014) an article (ACM Tighter Alternate style) describing your presentation and/or tool. Your article, which must include from 2 to 15 pages, will be carefully reviewed by the program committee. If accepted, your article will be presented during the workshop and be published to the ACM Digital Library (at your option) and the workshop's web site. Please submit to http://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=dyla14. - or give a 10-minute lightning demo of your work. A dedicated session will be allocated for this, provided there is ample time available. In this case, send us the title of your demo. A session on pair programming is also planned. People will then get a chance to share their technologies by interacting with other participants.

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Pharo-Business: a new mailing-list
by Stéphane Ducasse Feb. 26, 2014

Feb. 26, 2014

Dear Pharoers and Smalltalkers from all over the world we would really like to push business in our community and we believe that it is important to create a community around business questions. We created a new mailing-list http://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-business_lists.pharo.org The idea is to identify - potential market - missing technical solutions that we could build together. - share technical assets from a business perspective (which frameworks for what). We hope that you will like the idea and that more business can emerge.

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Our Summer of Code application was rejected
by Paolo Bonzini Feb. 25, 2014

Feb. 25, 2014

Hi all, unfortunately I have to bear bad news from Google; ESUG's application was rejected this year. I'll ask Google for more information about the rejection next Friday, and post them to both the mentors mailing list and the ESUG mailing list. Thanks, Paolo and Nicolas

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Fwd: Smalltalk Digest February 2014
by Stéphane Ducasse Feb. 22, 2014

Feb. 22, 2014

Begin forwarded message: > From: "Cincom Systems" <events(a)info.cincom.com> > Subject: Smalltalk Digest February 2014 > Date: 21 Feb 2014 22:26:22 GMT+1 > To: stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > Reply-To: "Cincom Systems" <events(a)cincom.com> > > If you are having trouble viewing this email message, launch your browser here. > > > February 2014 > > > Grow with Us! > > Product Team Enhancements – Be Part of Our Growing Cincom Smalltalk Team! > Let Us Help You Succeed > > Partnering for Success – Cincom Supporting Customer and Partner Success > Check It Out! > > Helping to Plan the Future – Product Manager Mini-Survey > New Tutorials – "Common Tools" Tutorial Videos to Be Launched > Conference Announcement – European Smalltalk User Group (ESUG) Conference Date and Location Announced > Exposure in Germany – Cincom Smalltalk Premier Partner, Georg Heeg, Continues to Promote Cincom and Cincom Smalltalk in Europe! > Valuable Educational Tool – Smalltalk Plays an Important Part in University's Curriculum > New Cincom® ObjectStudio® Release – Cincom ObjectStudio 8.5 Now Available! > New Cincom® VisualWorks® Release – Cincom VisualWorks 7.10 Now Available! > Performance Considerations – Concurrency and Leveraging Multi-Core PCs – The Solution? MatriX > Task Simplification – Are You Looking to Boost Application Performance? > A Shared Cornerstone – The Cincom Smalltalk Foundation > Getting the Word Out – Cincom Smalltalk and Social Media Channels > Focusing on the Customer – New Cincom Smalltalk Customer Portal > Watch It! – Cincom Smalltalk Videos and Our Presence on YouTube > Availability of Information – New Product Information Readily Available on the Cincom Smalltalk Website > Academia – The Cincom Smalltalk Academic Program > Serving the Smalltalk Community – Cincom Smalltalk Community Blogs > Smalltalk News Repositories > > News from the Cincom Smalltalk Team > Upcoming Events > > August 16-17, 2014 – Camp Smalltalk, Cambridge, England > August 18-22, 2014 – European Smalltalk User Group (ESUG) Conference, Cambridge, England > Update on Smalltalk Events > Smalltalk Job Opportunities > > Visit the Smalltalk Jobs Blog > Cincom Smalltalk Team Seeks Cincom VisualWorks Senior Software Engineer > > > > 55 Merchant St. • Cincinnati, OH 45246 • phone: 800-2CINCOM • fax: 513-612-2000 > view in browser • legal notice • privacy policy • subscription preferences > Cincom, the Quadrant Logo, Cincom Smalltalk, ObjectStudio and VisualWorks > are trademarks or registered trademarks of Cincom Systems, Inc. > All other trademarks belong to their respective companies. > ©2014 Cincom Systems, Inc. All Rights Reserved >

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Pharo on Raspberrypi
by Jean Baptiste Arnaud Feb. 19, 2014

Feb. 19, 2014

Hi, so the VM Raspberry without the bug on Atomic operation (all semaphore are block) worked now. Here is a link: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/RaspberryPi/job/RaspberryPi-Cro… Here is a nice picture: Best Regards Jean Baptiste Arnaud Jean-Baptiste.Arnaud(a)inria.fr

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Fwd: [Evol] phd position and postdoc visits - evolving software ecosystems research
by Stéphane Ducasse Feb. 14, 2014

Feb. 14, 2014

Begin forwarded message: > From: Tom Mens <tom.mens(a)umons.ac.be> > Subject: [Evol] phd position and postdoc visits - evolving software ecosystems research > Date: 14 Feb 2014 16:43:44 GMT+1 > To: ERCIM WG Software Evolution ERCIM WG Software Evolution Mailing List <evol(a)lists.inf.unisi.ch> > > Dear all, > > A PhD position as well as postdoc research visits are available at the Software Engineering Lab (Faculty of Science) of the University of Mons, Belgium. The goal is to collaborate and carry out research on the topic of empirical ecological studies of the evolution of open source software ecosystems (i.e. large collections of collaborating software projects and communities), by drawing inspiration from ecological measures and models used for studying biological ecosystems. This should lead us to better insight in, and support for, the survivability of software ecosystems and their constituent projects and contributors. > > The PhD position is available immediately. Candidates should be eligible for starting a PhD in Sciences (they should have a Master or Engineering degree or equivalent) a, should have practical programming experience, and should have a clear interest in biological and software engineering aspects. > > To apply for the PhD position of for carrying our a research visit, please send a mail (preferably together with a detailed CV and motivation letter) to Tom Mens (tom.mens(a)umons.ac.be) > > For more information, contact me directly, or visit > http://informatique.umons.ac.be/genlog/projects/ecos/ > > Best regards, > > Tom Mens > Software Engineering Lab > Faculty of Sciences > University of Mons > tom.mens(a)umons.ac.be > > > > _______________________________________________ > Evol mailing list > Evol(a)lists.inf.unisi.ch > http://lists.inf.unisi.ch/mailman/listinfo/evol

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SmalltalkHub is back online!
by Nicolas Petton Feb. 12, 2014

Feb. 12, 2014

The server is accessible again! Cheers, Nico -- Nicolas Petton http://nicolas-petton.fr

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Re: [Esug-list] [gsoc-mentors] Re: [Pharo-dev] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
by Stéphane Ducasse Feb. 12, 2014

Feb. 12, 2014

I can tell you that until now I took that as a little crisis of Janko but now this makes me sick. I do not think that I will stand in the same room than him in the future. Sorry Janko you are insulting people publicly but you mention that you don’t. I will check if I have a lawyer to handle this situation because you cannot have just words against me. I will check with the inria lawyer first. Stef > I do not understand the motivation of Janko, especially since he is apparently alone to think that way. > It is impressive to see how fragile the community is. > Thanks Paolo and thanks the ESUG board for handling this difficult situation! > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On Feb 10, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > >> I support it, too. >> >> The only path to action I see is to act. And in this situation, Paolo was the only one that offered a pragmatic way out. Thank you, Paolo! :) >> >> So, I suggest this: >> - we take Marcus' suggestion and have the present issue be handled at the next ESUG general assembly. Like this we ensure that the problem is going to be addressed in a more effective environment (namely, more structured, and not via mail). >> - we go forward with Paolo as an admin. Like this we ensure that action happens now. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I support this, along with a general require that you keep this discussion in private. >> >> Esteban >> >> On 10 Feb 2014, at 12:10, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: >> >>> I no longer have confidence in Janko running as GSoC admin >>> and want Paolo to take over as admin for Esug as mentoring organisation. >>> >>> Stephan Eggermont >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

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[SmalltalkHub down] The server hosting SmalltalkHub at Inria is not responding
by Nicolas Petton Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

Hi guys, The server hosting SmalltalkHub at Inria is not responding. SmalltalkHub is therefore down. I contacted the Inria server admins to learn more about this incident, without success for now. I'll do my best to put it back online as soon as possible! Cheers, Nico -- Nicolas Petton http://nicolas-petton.fr

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[GSoC 2014] Announcing Nicolas Petton as co-admin
by Paolo Bonzini Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

I'm pleased to announce that Nicolas Petton will be helping me with administration of the GSoC. As you may know, Nicolas is the lead developer of Amber Smalltalk and the Iliad web framework. He has worked with many other Smalltalk dialects in the past, including GNU Smalltalk and Pharo. In the interest of transparency, I will mention that: - I had previously asked Damien Cassou, but he preferred to have someone more neutral than an ESUG board member. It is interesting that I had picked him *exactly* because he was an ESUG board member. :) - Nico will be submitting project ideas for Amber and he might thus serve as a mentor too (I won't). Nevertheless, I'm sure that the selection process will be as transparent as possible. Thanks, Paolo

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Re: [Esug-list] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
by Richard Sargent Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

Janko, You have already thrown a brick. I don't understand your refusal to throw stones. Who is being accused of doing what? Spell it out for us. Sent from my Samsung S III -------- Original message -------- From: Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> Date: 2014/02/10 02:57 (GMT-08:00) To: smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com Cc: ESUG Mailing list <esug-list(a)lists.esug.org>,Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org>,The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Subject: [Esug-list] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude Dne 10. 02. 2014 11:08, piše Stéphane Ducasse: > Janko CAN YOU STOP! > > "blatantly unethical behavior” > Really > > Stef Stef, we are waiting to you. Will you tell us your part of the story about your GSoC 2010 act or shall I start by myself? Janko >> Phil, >> This matter is actually very important for Smalltalk community, >> because it exposes nontransparent, meddling behind the scenes, >> and in some cases blatantly unethical behavior of some ESUG board >> members. Which is certainly bad for our community on long term. >> Such matters need to be clarified and some conclusions to be made for a >> community to preserve health and go on. Otherwise you are drowning into >> murky waters more and more. >> >> Best regards >> Janko >> >> Dne 10. 02. 2014 09:12, piše phil(a)highoctane.be >> <mailto:phil@highoctane.be>: >>> Guys, >>> >>> From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling in >>> the kindergarten. >>> >>> All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward. >>> Backwards, there is a fair chance. >>> >>> Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk. >>> >>> Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to >>> fight over for an European org... (rolleyes). >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:luc.fabresse@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:luc.fabresse@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Janko, >>> >>> I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4 >>> extra-GSOC but we paid only 3 because one student gave >>> up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin). >>> So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate >>> last year BUT we were willing to spend it. >>> >>> Luc >>> >>> >>> 2014-02-09 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si >>> <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si> >>> <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>>: >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be >>> blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and >>> misguided. >>> >>> Facts namely are: >>> >>> 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] >>> while >>> ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any >>> report >>> back to GSoC mentors, >>> >>> 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the >>> pool for >>> paying extra projects [2][3]. >>> >>> Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is: >>> >>> Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD >>> GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD >>> ------------------------------ >>> 13.000 USD >>> >>> Expenses: >>> Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD >>> >>> Difference: + 4.000 USD >>> >>> If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't >>> loose any >>> money but gain 4.000 USD. >>> >>> Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to >>> apologize to >>> you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin! >>> >>> Janko >>> >>> [1] >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg >>> [2] >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8 >>> [3] >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw >>> >>> >>> Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> ------------ >>>> FACTS >>>> >>>> As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer. >>>> So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC >>>> projects in 2013. >>>> >>>> ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted >>> by Google. >>>> In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and >>> Benjamin Arezki. >>>> >>>> All in all we paid: >>>> - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular >>> GSOC) each >>>> projects >>>> - Serge trip to Mentor summit >>>> >>>> And we received 5552EUR from Google >>>> >>>> so yes we lost ~6582EUR >>>> That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we >>>> sponsorized 3. >>>> >>>> I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc >>> mentor >>>> summit because it participates to the fact that Google >>> recognizes ESUG >>>> ang gives slots the next year. >>>> >>>> It is alos important to note dates. >>>> ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. >>>> It would not be possible to do it without ESUG. >>>> >>>> ------------ >>>> FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY: >>>> >>>> As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my >>> *own* time >>>> and it takes a lot! >>>> I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all >>> falvors!) >>>> is a really great language that should be more widespread. >>>> >>>> I also completely open to discussions. >>>> The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status. >>>> I can do errors too. >>>> So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK! >>>> >>>> I cannot admit that: >>>> >>>> - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly >>> directed >>>> against the treasurer so me. >>>> And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I >>> hide or >>>> steal money make me think that I should better quit. >>>> >>>> - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would >>> have done a >>>> mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK >>> ME for >>>> DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any >>>> >>>> - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started >>> yesterday and I >>>> am spending my week-end with my kids >>>> >>>> >>>> I am really fed up with this kind of attitude. >>>> Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the >>> problems together >>>> if any. >>>> But I think it will never happen... >>>> >>>> #Luc >>>> The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end >>> in bad mood -- Janko Mivšek Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

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Re: [Esug-list] [Pharo-dev] [gsoc-mentors] Re: The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
by Igor Stasenko Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

On 11 February 2014 01:30, Alexander Lazarević <alexander(a)lazarevic.de>wrote: > Wait wait wait wait! Now I get it! This is a drama queen contest, isn't > it?! Where can I vote? > > People please relax, try to get laid over the weekend and let's talk on > monday again ... > > Phew .... Shhheeeezus > > you are blah-blahtly unethical! shame on you! :) > Cheers, > Alex > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

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[GSoc 2014] Collecting project ideas and preparing the application
by Paolo Bonzini Feb. 10, 2014

Feb. 10, 2014

Hi all, now that Janko has kindly accepted to step down and I've been appointed by ESUG board as organization admin, here is my proposal for GSoC 2014. Everything except publishing project ideas will be done through Google's Melange application. Project ideas will be sent by email and I'll publish them on the ESUG wiki. Therefore, here are my first two requests: - trivially, an account on the ESUG wiki so that i can collect and post the ideas; - interested mentors should start a thread for their favorite Smalltalk dialect called "[GSoC ideas] Dialect name" and send it to the project mailing list. Please Cc smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com *and myself*. This is very important in case Google Groups rejects messages from non-members or anything like that. The message could be something like this: Hi fellow <Smalltalk dialect name> hackers, ESUG, the European Smalltalk User Group, is applying for this year's Google Summer of Code. As you probably know, the Summer of Code provides the opportunity to fund students to work during the summer on <Smalltalk dialect name>. Please reply to this email (be sure to use "Reply to all") if you have ideas you would like to propose. Please include a summary of the project and links to web pages that can help prospective students to write their application. Please also include the following information: - if applicable, other dialects that you would be willing to mentor this project for - the skill level - name of the mentor(s), email addresses, and possibly any IRC network/channel/nickname where they can be found. Thanks for contributing to ESUG's Summer of Code application! <Your name here> I'm drafting the 2014 application based on past year's (http://gsoc2013.esug.org/application) Serge, can you provide me the numbers for passing and failing students in the 2013 edition? I expect to follow up in a few days and announce who the backup admin will be. Future messages will *not* be sent to esug-list(a)lists.esug.org, so please subscribe to the mentors mailing list smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com if you are interested in the program. Thanks, your friendly neighborhood GSoC administrator Paolo Bonzini

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Re: [Esug-list] [gsoc-mentors] Re: [Pharo-dev] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
by Stéphane Ducasse Feb. 10, 2014

Feb. 10, 2014

On 10 Feb 2014, at 13:28, Andres Valloud <avalloud(a)smalltalk.comcastbiz.net> wrote: > On 2/10/14 4:24 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> I do not understand the motivation of Janko, especially since he is apparently alone to think that way. > > Now now, let's not get the flames stoked again :). Sorry andres but I’m personally attack and I do not even know why and for what. We are attacked because the board thought that this is better to pay 5000 $ students so that they get the same as GSOC ones. This is really that. I cannot believe it. And I can tell you that I do not want to get anything to do with GSOC (I will redraw my topics) and Janko. Stef > > Andres. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

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The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
by Luc Fabresse Feb. 10, 2014

Feb. 10, 2014

Hi all, ------------ FACTS As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer. So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC projects in 2013. ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by Google. In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki. All in all we paid: - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each projects - Serge trip to Mentor summit And we received 5552EUR from Google so yes we lost ~6582EUR That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we sponsorized 3. I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG ang gives slots the next year. It is alos important to note dates. ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. It would not be possible to do it without ESUG. ------------ FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY: As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time and it takes a lot! I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!) is a really great language that should be more widespread. I also completely open to discussions. The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status. I can do errors too. So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK! I cannot admit that: - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed against the treasurer so me. And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or steal money make me think that I should better quit. - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I am spending my week-end with my kids I am really fed up with this kind of attitude. Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together if any. But I think it will never happen... #Luc The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood

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Pharo Weekly
by Stéphane Ducasse Feb. 10, 2014

Feb. 10, 2014

Hi guys I started a blog about pharo for those that do not want to read 1000 mails to get information :) http://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/ Spread the word Stef

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Re: [Esug-list] [Pharo-dev] [gsoc-mentors] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
by Joachim Tuchel Feb. 10, 2014

Feb. 10, 2014

Phil, That's your opinion. I don't think money of sponsors should be spent with such an attitude. Unfortunately, I do not fully unerstand what Janko is saying and the links he provided don't help me really. Is he saying that the ESUG board ignored the vote of gsoc mentors on how much to pay to students in the additional projects? Was that money spent unequally and does Janko say this was unfair and does he say the projects that got more did so because they were pharo projects? If so, this needs some explanation. If it's not true, we can go on and say the board did it with the members' placet. Then we can shrug and say "so what?" Thats what we have a motivated and elected board for. I agree with you in so far as this is a really bad moment in time for this discussion. If all of tgis means gsoc comes to a halt for Smalltalk because we cannot apply in time, that would be really a pity. As a sponsor, I'd like to know what Janko is really up to and if the way things went is okay, since I want our money to be spent for positive things, like the yearly conference and many other great things esug is doing. As a sponsor, I wouldn't want to see anybody in the board to think about our money the way you expresss it here. Even if Esug is a european organization, it has very limited financial abilities, and 4000 euros thrown away or used unethically is not peanuts. Joachim phil(a)highoctane.be schrieb: >Guys, > >>From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling in >the kindergarten. > >All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward. >Backwards, there is a fair chance. > >Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk. > >Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to fight >over for an European org... (rolleyes). > >Phil > > > > >On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi Janko, >> >> I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4 extra-GSOC >> but we paid only 3 because one student gave up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin). >> So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate last >> year BUT we were willing to spend it. >> >> Luc >> >> >> 2014-02-09 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si>: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be >>> blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and misguided. >>> >>> Facts namely are: >>> >>> 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while >>> ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any report >>> back to GSoC mentors, >>> >>> 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for >>> paying extra projects [2][3]. >>> >>> Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is: >>> >>> Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD >>> GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD >>> ------------------------------ >>> 13.000 USD >>> >>> Expenses: >>> Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD >>> >>> Difference: + 4.000 USD >>> >>> If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't loose any >>> money but gain 4.000 USD. >>> >>> Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to apologize to >>> you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin! >>> >>> Janko >>> >>> [1] >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg >>> [2] >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8 >>> [3] >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw >>> >>> >>> Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse: >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > ------------ >>> > FACTS >>> > >>> > As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer. >>> > So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC >>> > projects in 2013. >>> > >>> > ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by >>> Google. >>> > In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki. >>> > >>> > All in all we paid: >>> > - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each >>> > projects >>> > - Serge trip to Mentor summit >>> > >>> > And we received 5552EUR from Google >>> > >>> > so yes we lost ~6582EUR >>> > That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we >>> > sponsorized 3. >>> > >>> > I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor >>> > summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG >>> > ang gives slots the next year. >>> > >>> > It is alos important to note dates. >>> > ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. >>> > It would not be possible to do it without ESUG. >>> > >>> > ------------ >>> > FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY: >>> > >>> > As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time >>> > and it takes a lot! >>> > I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!) >>> > is a really great language that should be more widespread. >>> > >>> > I also completely open to discussions. >>> > The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status. >>> > I can do errors too. >>> > So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK! >>> > >>> > I cannot admit that: >>> > >>> > - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed >>> > against the treasurer so me. >>> > And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or >>> > steal money make me think that I should better quit. >>> > >>> > - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a >>> > mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for >>> > DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any >>> > >>> > - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I >>> > am spending my week-end with my kids >>> > >>> > >>> > I am really fed up with this kind of attitude. >>> > Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together >>> > if any. >>> > But I think it will never happen... >>> > >>> > #Luc >>> > The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Janko Mivšek >>> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team >>> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Esug-list mailing list >Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

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About GSOC mess: Running under 'Smalltalk' org. name
by Stéphane Ducasse Feb. 9, 2014

Feb. 9, 2014

Dear community On the smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com janko is kind of declaring that ESUG was not doing a good job managing GSOC. We feel insulted and we are quite concerned by that fact. Personally if students would not be involved I would vote that ESUG does not have anything to do with GSOC. Because it costs us money, time and stress. Note in addition that we never interferred with the choice or anything. I will ask the ESUG board to decide because we cannot do the job, spend time, money and be treated like that. Sorry! We are sad but this is like that. Then we do not like the kind of mails that Janko is sending us about the fact that ESUG is biased towards Pharo. Where are the research teams and teachers? Of course: the mails of janko are just so nice. I let you judge. It is particularly fun since this year we (the pharo board) decided not to organise a Pharo conference to avoid competing with ESUG. > About motivations for my proposal: > > 1. 'Smalltalk' is more recognizable name on first spot that 'ESUG' . And this matters when a student looks at around 150 GSoC organizations to choose, which one to check and try. See last year list of orgs. > > 2. ESUG is currently regarded by many as too biased towards Pharo. Let we avoid starting debating is this is true or not. Making our org more independent will I hope remove any remaining doubt about that. I feel shocked and insulted but I take it easy, having success make you as easy target for jaleous people. This is strange that some people would prefer to have a non existing/moving open-source smalltalk. May be the losers theory. I added the answer of marcus below (because marcus usually is much calmer than me) so that Janko succeeded to get marcus reacting like that is a nice proof in itself. Seriously Smalltalk is in a so good shape in presence of lua, Javascript, ruby and python, clojure that we should fight. Excellent idea thank for this nice initiative. Stef Begin forwarded message: > From: Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [gsoc-mentors] Running under 'Smalltalk' org. name > Date: 8 Feb 2014 08:46:18 GMT+1 > To: smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com > Reply-To: smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com > > Dear mentors, > > I propose that we run this year GSoC simply under 'Smalltalk' name. Mentoring organization will be us mentors of past and current GSoCs, as the name 'mentoring organization' implies anyway. Such organization therefore doesn't need to be some kind of legal entity. > > Because I need to open a new website and we have only one week to deadline, decision needs to be done soon. > > Best regards > Janko > > --- > Janko Mivšek > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Of course you need it: I filled out quite some paperwork for Google. ESUG is an official Google supplier, for that I filled american tax forms and so on. Without an organisation that will be very difficult. How do yu receive money for the flight if someone goes to the meeting in the fall? One of the reasons why the Smalltalk GSOC was accepted was I think that it was the same organisation that is already in the books of google. And I do not see why to change that: ESUG did a good job, we even lost money (that is, we spend more money on additional Summer of Code slots than got in with the money from google). We payed all additional expenses of the people going to the Summit: Google only pays the flight and hotel. Everyhting else not (e.g. going from the airpot to the hotel). What we need to discuss this year is if additional slots make sense: We had last year the fast that a) it was very expensive for ESUG b) even then, we got complaints that it was unfair that we did not pay the same as google c) that it was very extremely unfair that the student could not put “Google Summer of Code” on the CV. The last is the Killer: money from ESUG is just money. GSoC is more. So we ask if it is really worth to spend the money if even the students are not happy about it. And if your motivation behind is that this way you think it will be easier to enable “Quotas” for different Smalltalks: I think this is a dumb idea. Yes, Pharo is very active. So could every other Smalltalk be, too. They just need to do it. If they do not, it is not my duty to limit my activity for “Fairness”. Limiting the activity level of those who do to be more “in line” with what those do who do nothing is just *insane*. It’s a description of death itself. Marcus

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Re: [Esug-list] About GSOC mess: Running under 'Smalltalk' org. name
by Joachim Tuchel Feb. 9, 2014

Feb. 9, 2014

Hi, we've had the bias debate before - the end of the story was that while some people thought it might look like people in the esug board could be biased, it showed most people who joined the discussion don't bother. And if I remember the thing why the discussion was started back then was not done, so I guess we can forget about that for now. Just one comment: I cannot read from Janko's mail that he thinks esug didn't do a good job of makin gsoc a reality. I was never involved, so I cannot tell if that is thanks to Janko's help or if it was an avhievement of the esug board. In the end, it probably doesnt even matter: the outcome was positive. Re: too much pharo. Is the pharo community to blame for the fact that it generates most interest? I personally would like to see more cross-smalltalk ideas in gsoc, but not having enough time and courage to act as a mentor, who am I to complain? Again, I didn't read Jankos comments as an accusation, more like the attempt to motivate people in other dialects to come out and play. I think Janko and the people who worked with him the last years to make things happen have done a great job and I am happy we've had Smalltalk projects happen, even if I personally have not used any of the contributions. For some, I cant even tell if they went anywhere. For those, fighting is useless, and for the others not worth it: they're open source and can be ported to any dialect. So it would be a pity if we lost Janko's drive and even more if we couldn't be part of gsoc this year due to this debate. I also think a new organization is way too much work and cannot see any problems with esug being the umbrella for Smalltalk projects in gsoc. The worst thing that could happen is another broken link to ancient and outdated Smalltalk information. We've had enough of that. Esug, as any other organization, may not be perfect, but it's the best we have. If it's about domain names, we sure will find sponsors to rent a few smalltalk names and redirect them - althiugh I think promoting what we have a bit more would help more than that. just my 2 cents, Joachim Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> schrieb: >The Squeak Oversight Board would like to see GSoC projects continue >under the European Smalltalk User Group. > >The Squeak community plans to present several projects this year. > >frank > >On 8 February 2014 09:50, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Dear community >> >> On the smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com janko is kind of declaring >> that ESUG was not doing a good job managing >> GSOC. We feel insulted and we are quite concerned by that fact. Personally >> if students would not be involved I would vote that ESUG does not have >> anything to do with GSOC. Because it costs us money, time and stress. Note >> in addition that we never interferred with the choice or anything. >> >> I will ask the ESUG board to decide because we cannot do the job, spend >> time, money and be treated like that. >> Sorry! We are sad but this is like that. >> >> Then we do not like the kind of mails that Janko is sending us about the >> fact that ESUG is biased towards Pharo. >> Where are the research teams and teachers? Of course: the mails of janko >> are just so nice. I let you judge. >> >> It is particularly fun since this year we (the pharo board) decided not to >> organise a Pharo conference to avoid competing with ESUG. >> >> About motivations for my proposal: >> >> 1. 'Smalltalk' is more recognizable name on first spot that 'ESUG' . And >> this matters when a student looks at around 150 GSoC organizations to >> choose, which one to check and try. See last year list of orgs. >> >> 2. ESUG is currently regarded by many as too biased towards Pharo. Let we >> avoid starting debating is this is true or not. Making our org more >> independent will I hope remove any remaining doubt about that. >> >> >> >> I feel shocked and insulted but I take it easy, having success make you as >> easy target for jaleous people. This is strange that >> some people would prefer to have a non existing/moving open-source >> smalltalk. May be the losers theory. >> >> I added the answer of marcus below (because marcus usually is much calmer >> than me) so that Janko succeeded to get marcus reacting like that is a nice >> proof in itself. >> >> Seriously Smalltalk is in a so good shape in presence of lua, Javascript, >> ruby and python, clojure that we should fight. >> >> Excellent idea thank for this nice initiative. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: [gsoc-mentors] Running under 'Smalltalk' org. name >> Date: 8 Feb 2014 08:46:18 GMT+1 >> To: smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com >> Reply-To: smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com >> >> Dear mentors, >> >> I propose that we run this year GSoC simply under 'Smalltalk' name. >> Mentoring organization will be us mentors of past and current GSoCs, as the >> name 'mentoring organization' implies anyway. Such organization therefore >> doesn't need to be some kind of legal entity. >> >> Because I need to open a new website and we have only one week to deadline, >> decision needs to be done soon. >> >> Best regards >> Janko >> >> --- >> Janko Mivšek >> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> >> Of course you need it: I filled out quite some paperwork for Google. ESUG is >> an official Google supplier, for that I filled american tax forms and so on. >> >> Without an organisation that will be very difficult. How do yu receive money >> for the flight if someone goes to the meeting in the fall? >> >> One of the reasons why the Smalltalk GSOC was accepted was I think that it >> was the same organisation that is already in the books of google. >> >> And I do not see why to change that: ESUG did a good job, we even lost money >> (that is, we spend more money on additional Summer of Code slots >> than got in with the money from google). >> We payed all additional expenses of the people going to the Summit: Google >> only pays the flight and hotel. Everyhting else not (e.g. going from the >> airpot >> to the hotel). >> >> >> What we need to discuss this year is if additional slots make sense: We had >> last year the fast that >> a) it was very expensive for ESUG >> b) even then, we got complaints that it was unfair that we did not pay the >> same as google >> c) that it was very extremely unfair that the student could not put “Google >> Summer of Code” on the CV. >> >> The last is the Killer: money from ESUG is just money. GSoC is more. So we >> ask if it is really worth to spend the money >> if even the students are not happy about it. >> >> And if your motivation behind is that this way you think it will be easier >> to enable “Quotas” for different Smalltalks: I think this is a dumb idea. >> >> Yes, Pharo is very active. So could every other Smalltalk be, too. They just >> need to do it. If they do not, it is not my duty to limit >> my activity for “Fairness”. Limiting the activity level of those who do to >> be more “in line” with what those do who do nothing is just >> *insane*. It’s a description of death itself. >> >> Marcus >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> > >_______________________________________________ >Esug-list mailing list >Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

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Moving on with GSOC2014?
by Paolo Bonzini Feb. 8, 2014

Feb. 8, 2014

As things stand now, I don't think there is enough mutual trust between ESUG and Janko to proceed with GSOC2014. I think either the name is changed to "Smalltalk" as Janko proposed, which many people have objected to, or he should take a step back. I have experience with GSOC having served as admin for the GNU project in 2011 so, if necessary, I volunteer to run the organization as admin (and as ESUG). I want to point out _very_ clearly, from the beginning that I wouldn't want to have anything to do with any "extra slots" like there were last year. This would be something for ESUG to sort out if they have the money. Now, I cannot deny that I haven't been involved very much in Smalltalk programming for the last few years. On the other hand administration is mostly bureaucratic work, and I clearly have no bias in favor or against any particular dialect. Regards, Paolo

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Fwd: Esse status
by Dennis Schetinin Feb. 8, 2014

Feb. 8, 2014

I've just found I didn't send this e-mail to ESUG list. Fixing it now: --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dennis Schetinin <chaetal(a)gmail.com> Date: 2014-02-06 10:20 GMT+04:00 Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Esse status To: DeNigris Sean <sean(a)clipperadams.com> Hi Sean, The code is available here: http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Esse.html. I'm not sure this is the final version, but one of the most "recent" ones. Also, I've attached a .rar file with results Pavel submitted to Google (in case, you can't access them from their site). There are two major problems with the project. 1. The code quality is really low. I think, it's not Smalltalk-ish code at all. Unfortunately, I didn't manage to control code in 2012, and was able to manage it only in a fraction of how I would like it to be in 2013. It's really hard to do in GSoC (as it is more feature-oriented and focused on "external" result, not internal quality), but I hope now I understand how to do it (in case I'll take part as tutor, of course). 2. The project suffers from using "conventional" (old) graphics engine. This problem was addressed by a student in one of the thesis works I gave last year, but with only partial success. And worse, for some reasons, the student is not available right now and I can't get the code she wrote. This is for the first time and really frustrating me :( I still think the topic is really important, can be widely used in both applications and development process itself to the advantage of Pharo, and is really interesting. -- Best regards, Dennis Schetinin 2014-02-06 DeNigris Sean <sean(a)clipperadams.com>: > - Boundless and zoomable interfaces with Pharo. Continuation of > http://gsoc2012.esug.org/projects/esse using Athens. Perhaps creating > some development tools. > > What was accomplished? Where is the code? How and where to load it? > > Thanks. > Sean > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >

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Google Summer of Code is here, your ideas please!
by Janko Mivšek Feb. 8, 2014

Feb. 8, 2014

Dear Smalltalkers, Tenth GSoC is here and application deadline is earlier this year, already next Friday! Time therefore for your cool project ideas on this year Smalltalk GSoC Hurry up! For now just express any idea you have here on the mailing list. Later we will together develop it to be in complete format together with two mentors needed. To see how fully developed ideas look like please look at 2012 ones at:http://gsoc2013.esug.org/ideas. Ideally (but not necessary right now) you should prepare an idea following this template: ----------------------------------------------- Title: Level: (beginner, intermediate, advanced) Possible mentor: (can be assigned later) Possible second mentor: (can be assigned later) Description Technical Details Benefits to the Student Benefits to the Community ------------------------------------------------- Note also that students yourselves can propose a GSoC project. So if you like to be a student on this year GSoC and have a nice idea, don't be shy and propose it here! The community will listen you and guide to the really nicely proposed project. For the community, start looking around for students. Think about how to approach the universities near by you, do you know who to contact there, etc. Our special website is in preparation and will be online in few days. Official Google GSoC site is here: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014. Specially read carefully the FAQ: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc20… Mentors of all past GSoCs please rejoin the mentors mailing list, where we discuss all details about this year GSoC: http://groups.google.com/group/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors While students interested on GSoC please join a special Smalltalk GSoC mailing list for you: http://groups.google.com/group/smalltalk-gsoc-students Best regards Janko -- Janko Mivšek Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team

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Fwd: [Pharo-users] Please help beta test Pharo 3.0 NOW !
by Stéphane Ducasse Feb. 7, 2014

Feb. 7, 2014

Begin forwarded message: > From: Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > Subject: [Pharo-users] Please help beta test Pharo 3.0 NOW ! > Date: 7 Feb 2014 12:07:17 GMT+1 > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org>, Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > Reply-To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > > Dear fellow Pharoers, > > > Pharo 2.0 was released in March 2013, after which development of Pharo 3.0 started. Since December 2013 we stopped adding new features and started concentrating on fixing bugs. We plan to release Pharo 3.0 in March 2014. > > You can help: please help beta test Pharo 3.0 NOW, before it is released, not after. You can help us tremendously by doing this. Together we can improve the quality and polish for a great release. > > http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/beta-3-0 > > http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher > > http://get.pharo.org > > The mailing lists are one way to give feedback, but it is even better to report problems as issues. > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/ > > > Remember, it is your Pharo. > > Thank you! > > > On behalf of the whole team, Sven > >

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Esse status
by DeNigris Sean Feb. 7, 2014

Feb. 7, 2014

- Boundless and zoomable interfaces with Pharo. Continuation of http://gsoc2012.esug.org/projects/esse using Athens. Perhaps creating some development tools. What was accomplished? Where is the code? How and where to load it? Thanks. Sean

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