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Re: [Esug-list] ESUG considers sponsoring the Pharo Consortium
by Reza Razavi July 6, 2012

July 6, 2012

At 18:15 06/07/2012, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >All the code we push into Pharo has to be MIT. That's fine. But, which entity can decide legally about the licensing policy? Is that the Pharo Community or any other legal entity investing in Pharo? >The fact that INRIA pays my salary doesn't change that at all. If this is explicitly written in your work contract, i.e. legally recognized by their lawyers, that's fine. Otherwise, I would ask. Regards, Reza

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Re: [Esug-list] lectures in the temple of the type systems: university of Turino
by Nowak, Helge July 6, 2012

July 6, 2012

Dear Stef, "... it was fun". It would be nice if you could share the fun. Do you have a video, podcast, presentation? Or could you write something up that would help us arguing with other priests of "temples of type systems" when promoting Smalltalk? TIA Helge -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: esug-list-bounces(a)lists.esug.org [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Ducasse Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Juli 2012 21:30 An: Damien Cassou Cc: ESUG Mailing list Betreff: Re: [Esug-list] ESUG considers sponsoring the Pharo Consortium I propose that we/you talk at ESUG about this point. BTW here are the old list of actions done by ESUG. http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Promotion/PastActions We should refresh it because we have done much more since then. Like lectures in the temple of the type systems: university of Turino ;D - it was fun. Stef On Jul 4, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Damien Cassou wrote: > The ESUG board currently considers sponsoring the Pharo Consortium > (see http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2012-June/066881.html) > We believe that Pharo is important for the Smalltalk ecosystem. > > Note that ESUG is promoting Smalltalk in general and this action is in > the same vein as previous actions such as sponsoring local Smalltalk > groups (FAST, Catalan, Russian, ...), Smalltalk dialects > (SqueakFoundation, etoy), development projects (Mars, DBXTalk, DrGeo > II, SqueakVirtual Machine cleaning), and books (Seaside and GNU book). > > Before deciding, the board would like to gather feedback from the > community. We want to be clear that there is a strict distinction > between ESUG and Pharo (both consortium and association) even if some > people are involved in both. > > What do you think? > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

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ESUG 2012 agenda
by Damien Cassou July 5, 2012

July 5, 2012

Hi, can you see the ESUG 2012 agenda on www.esug.org/Conferences/2012/Conference-Schedule ? Some people reports an empty agenda -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

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Re: [Esug-list] ESUG considers sponsoring the Pharo Consortium
by jdelgado＠lsi.upc.edu July 5, 2012

July 5, 2012

Well, I just want to make some points clear, and I am going to do that politely, which is what nettiquette demands, though that is not the way I naturally react to infinite nonsensical threads in my inbox. >> here are the members of the ESUG's board: >> >> (...) >> Jordi Delgado <- Pharo Just paying a little bit of attention should make you clear that a large part of our work is being developed with Squeak, from teaching at the university (however, this is going to change soon in favour of Pharo, for reasons that have *nothing* to do with ESUG) to maintaining and updating our S4A (Scratch for Arduino). Also, our Fluidinfo software was developed using Squeak. The Smalltalk Tutor presented at ESUG'11 was developed using Pharo and GNU Smalltalk. Thus, we have never used a Smalltalk that is not open source, but saying that we use only Pharo is just wrong. Maybe the board (and a whole lot of people) uses mainly Pharo, but that is probably because they use whatever they want to use and somehow Pharo is what they think is the best tool for their project. And if someone wants support from ESUG, probably the best way to get it is asking for it. I do not remember how many times ESUG has rejected to offer support to any Smalltalk initiative (maybe zero?). In fact, ESUG itself has offered support to local groups *before* the groups asked for it. Bests, Jordi

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update on the consortium poll
by Stéphane Ducasse July 5, 2012

July 5, 2012

Hi pharoers Here is so far the state of replies I compiled. If I miss you or misclassified tell me. By end of July I will build a case to ask for INRIA support. So I will refresh this list and group mails to build a convincing case. Pharo2.0 is going in the right direction. With a mini core, vector graphics, ssh, it is starting to be a nice platform for new challenges. Thanks you all for your trust. Stef So far 4000 gold 8000 silver 5000 bronze 500 sponsor 2500 individual plus 480 individual -------------------- 20480 Euros Gold (4000) RMOD 4000 Silver (2000) 2Denker http://www.Synectique.eu Sanders Cameron company 2Rivers 8000 Bronze (1000) Andy bunnett company Eggermont company MAD-Environment www.FinWorks.biz netStyle.ch 5000 Sponsors (500) Caeasar Systems (May be IMUS)?? 500 Indivudual golden (100) Stephane Ducasse Marcus Denker Schmiedl Miguel Coba Alexandre Bergel Krish Brodbeck (may be bronze) Goran Vasic Guillermo Polito Norbert Harlt Mark Smith Lorenzo schiavina Daniel Galdames Leandro Caniglia Francois Stephany Sean De Nigris John O'Keefe Tudor Girba Luc Fabresse Florent Arrignon Lawrence Trutter Sabine Knofel Yann Monclair Henrik Johanssen Hernan Wilkinson (or bronze to be defined) 2500 Normal 40 Bill schwab Herve verjus Damien cassou McLeod Max Leske Phil Back (bronze may be) Yanni Chiu Andrea Brühlmann Stefan Reichhart Niklaus Lutz Max Leske Simon Jakovina 480

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Camp Smalltalk @ ESUG 2012
by Johan Brichau July 4, 2012

July 4, 2012

Dear Smalltalkers, As usual, Camp Smalltalk at ESUG 2012 will be organized during the preceding weekend on Saturday 24 and Sunday 25 August. The location for this camp are the offices of 2Rivers (Yesplan.be). More information can be found on the ESUG 2012 conference website: http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2012/Camp-Smalltalk-2012 IMPORTANT! If you will attend Camp Smalltalk, please fill in the Doodle poll at: http://www.doodle.com/dw6prz8eq8fqx4vu See you soon in Gent! Johan

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Re: [Esug-list] **IMPORTANT** MUST READ: Pharo Association and Consortium
by Stéphane Ducasse July 4, 2012

July 4, 2012

On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:11 PM, maarten.mostert(a)stakepoint.com wrote: > Stéphane, > > A french law 1901 association .. Does this mean that I'll can get a tax refund from my donation ? I do not think so because for that Pharo would have to be "one national cause" like fighting cancer :) > > @+Maarten, > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > Sent: Thursday, 28 June, 2012 14:19 > To: "An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an open-source Smalltalk" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>, pharo-consortium(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr, "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>, "ESUG Mailing list" <esug-list(a)lists.esug.org>, "Moose-related development" <moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch> > Subject: [Esug-list] **IMPORTANT** MUST READ: Pharo Association and Consortium > > Dear Pharoers and Smalltalkers > > This mail is really important so read it carefully. Especially the last part of the mail is important for the > immediate future: we need your support and input. Read section ***Support*** at the end of this mail. > > Context > ======= > After taking into account feedback from companies and pharo users in different occasions and > discussing with the INRIA lawyers and the team in charge of the administrative aspect of the consoritum > here is the setup we finally want for the consortium. We will have two separated entities: > - one french law 1901 association for individuals and > - one consortium for institutions (companies, research groups, laboratories, universities...) managed by INRIA > > We hope that in the long run the consortium will be fully managed by the association > but in the current bootstrap phase INRIA is a good solution. > > ============== > The Pharo Association > ============== > The goal of the association is to promote Pharo. It will have its own web site. > > Individual Memberships (managed by the Pharo Association) > ---------------------- > There are two individual memberships > - Individual Pharo Association Member: Yearly fee 40 Euros > - Golden Individual Pharo Association Member: Yearly fee 99 Euros > > You will get > a nice goody, > reduction access to conferences, > reduction for training and access to teaching material, > be part of the pharo groups on social networks, > be part of the pharoAssociation-individual-members mailing-list, > get access and registered to the pharo association web site. > > Others (managed by the Pharo Association) > ---------------------- > The association will be able to issues bills so you will be able to buy a Pharo distribution > when your organization cannot be a member, a sponsor or doing a donation to the Pharo consortium. > > End of Pharo Association Description > > > > =========================== > The Pharo Consortium (managed by INRIA) > =========================== > The goal of the consortium is to structure and build an umbrella to foster business around Pharo and to promote Pharo. > > A company, user group, research group, team or institution can be a consortium member, not individual member. > > There are three levels of fees and corresponding benefits. You decide your degree of support. > The annual fees are > - Bronze 1000 Euros > - Silver 2000 Euros > - Gold 4000 Euros > > Consortium members main advantages are > ---------------------------------------- > Non individual members of the consortium get the following advantages: > > - privileged access to the core development team via a specific mailing-list > pharo-core-team-for-members(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > - influence priorities of the next development. The member will be able to propose > agenda points and items for the executive team. They will be requested one month in > advance before the committee meeting. > > - get access to privileged core engineer time (to address pharo core problems) > > - Bronze member gets > one day of engineering time > + is automatically a diamond sponsor. > > - Silver > + two days of engineering time > + one job description for job dashboard > + is automatically a diamond sponsor.. > > - Gold four > + 4 days of engineering time > + multiple job description for job dashboard > + is automatically a diamond sponsor. > > - Training special prices and possibility to become pharo trainer > - Pharo consortium member can also ask and pay for extra support days at INRIA engineer prices (around 600 Euros) per day. > - Member can offer to their client access to the possibility to pay for extra support days at INRIA engineer prices (around 600 Euros) per day. > - The core team can provide contact with experts for certain areas of development. > > Pharo Consortium Gouvernance: steering committee > ---------------------------------------- > The consortium will be managed as follows: There will be a steering committee and an Executive Team. > > * A steering committee is composed of one representative of each member (except individuals). > > * The chairman of this committee will be Inria > > * Steering Committee Role : > - The Steering Committee follows the execution of the PHARO R&D Team > - It validates and gives input about the task list of the Executive Team. > - It can propose members of the executive team. > - It prepares, organizes conferences, seminars or other animations to promote PHARO and have new members > - It revises the annual fee > * Decisions taking: after consultation and collect of representative member points of views, Inria takes the final decision. > > * The steering committee will communicate via a private mailing-list. It may meet physical once a year. > > * An agenda to reach conclusion will be established by Inria on proposals of the members (the members will be queried a month in advance). > > Technical Executive Committee (akaR&D task) > ---------------------------------------- > * The Executive Team is composed of members proposed by the steering board and RMOD Team > * Its roles is to > * Study, analyze and validate external contributions for PHARO > * Report to the steering committee > * Present a task list to the steering committee. > * Propose, schedule and implement tasks in conformance with the tasks list. > * Coordinate the release Pharo and its VMs > > Pharo consortium Sponsoring > --------------------------- > Orthogonally to memberships, an entity can be a sponsor of the consortium without being a pharo consortium member. > Pharo consortium are de factor platinium sponsor. Sponsors will get their logos name exposed to the consortium web site. > There are two kinds of sponsors: > - normal 500 Euros > - diamond 1000 Euros > > Job board > --------- > Non consortium member companies will be able to pay a fee (1000 Euros) to post job offers to the job board. > > End of Pharo Consortium Description > > > ===================== > *** Support and Answer needed*** > ===================== > > To be able to pay an engineer by the consortium, INRIA needs to make projection, build budget, pay attention to visa > and other important administrative tasks. To deal with the risk that the consortium may not collect enough to pay a full salary > we are considering to ask INRIA to help us financially. To do so we have to give some concrete figures to > INRIA and motivate our request. In addition, our team (RMOD) on its own budget will try to compensate by allocating extra resources > However, this will be only a one shot. In addition, some of our team members have been approached by google to work on chrome and dart > Virtual Machines. So if we really get a future we should build it now. > > Many of you told us that they want to support the consortium, now we need to know what would be amount of membership, sponsoring > you could give. So please read carefully this mail and send us a mail at stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr with the same subject than this one. > We will collect the information and build a case to present to INRIA. > Thanks in advance for Pharo and for the future that we are building together. > > The RMOD team and the Pharo board > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

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**IMPORTANT** MUST READ: Pharo Association and Consortium
by Stéphane Ducasse July 3, 2012

July 3, 2012

Dear Pharoers and Smalltalkers This mail is really important so read it carefully. Especially the last part of the mail is important for the immediate future: we need your support and input. Read section ***Support*** at the end of this mail. Context ======= After taking into account feedback from companies and pharo users in different occasions and discussing with the INRIA lawyers and the team in charge of the administrative aspect of the consoritum here is the setup we finally want for the consortium. We will have two separated entities: - one french law 1901 association for individuals and - one consortium for institutions (companies, research groups, laboratories, universities...) managed by INRIA We hope that in the long run the consortium will be fully managed by the association but in the current bootstrap phase INRIA is a good solution. ============== The Pharo Association ============== The goal of the association is to promote Pharo. It will have its own web site. Individual Memberships (managed by the Pharo Association) ---------------------- There are two individual memberships - Individual Pharo Association Member: Yearly fee 40 Euros - Golden Individual Pharo Association Member: Yearly fee 99 Euros You will get a nice goody, reduction access to conferences, reduction for training and access to teaching material, be part of the pharo groups on social networks, be part of the pharoAssociation-individual-members mailing-list, get access and registered to the pharo association web site. Others (managed by the Pharo Association) ---------------------- The association will be able to issues bills so you will be able to buy a Pharo distribution when your organization cannot be a member, a sponsor or doing a donation to the Pharo consortium. End of Pharo Association Description =========================== The Pharo Consortium (managed by INRIA) =========================== The goal of the consortium is to structure and build an umbrella to foster business around Pharo and to promote Pharo. A company, user group, research group, team or institution can be a consortium member, not individual member. There are three levels of fees and corresponding benefits. You decide your degree of support. The annual fees are - Bronze 1000 Euros - Silver 2000 Euros - Gold 4000 Euros Consortium members main advantages are ---------------------------------------- Non individual members of the consortium get the following advantages: - privileged access to the core development team via a specific mailing-list pharo-core-team-for-members(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr - influence priorities of the next development. The member will be able to propose agenda points and items for the executive team. They will be requested one month in advance before the committee meeting. - get access to privileged core engineer time (to address pharo core problems) - Bronze member gets one day of engineering time + is automatically a diamond sponsor. - Silver + two days of engineering time + one job description for job dashboard + is automatically a diamond sponsor.. - Gold four + 4 days of engineering time + multiple job description for job dashboard + is automatically a diamond sponsor. - Training special prices and possibility to become pharo trainer - Pharo consortium member can also ask and pay for extra support days at INRIA engineer prices (around 600 Euros) per day. - Member can offer to their client access to the possibility to pay for extra support days at INRIA engineer prices (around 600 Euros) per day. - The core team can provide contact with experts for certain areas of development. Pharo Consortium Gouvernance: steering committee ---------------------------------------- The consortium will be managed as follows: There will be a steering committee and an Executive Team. * A steering committee is composed of one representative of each member (except individuals). * The chairman of this committee will be Inria * Steering Committee Role : - The Steering Committee follows the execution of the PHARO R&D Team - It validates and gives input about the task list of the Executive Team. - It can propose members of the executive team. - It prepares, organizes conferences, seminars or other animations to promote PHARO and have new members - It revises the annual fee * Decisions taking: after consultation and collect of representative member points of views, Inria takes the final decision. * The steering committee will communicate via a private mailing-list. It may meet physical once a year. * An agenda to reach conclusion will be established by Inria on proposals of the members (the members will be queried a month in advance). Technical Executive Committee (akaR&D task) ---------------------------------------- * The Executive Team is composed of members proposed by the steering board and RMOD Team * Its roles is to * Study, analyze and validate external contributions for PHARO * Report to the steering committee * Present a task list to the steering committee. * Propose, schedule and implement tasks in conformance with the tasks list. * Coordinate the release Pharo and its VMs Pharo consortium Sponsoring --------------------------- Orthogonally to memberships, an entity can be a sponsor of the consortium without being a pharo consortium member. Pharo consortium are de factor platinium sponsor. Sponsors will get their logos name exposed to the consortium web site. There are two kinds of sponsors: - normal 500 Euros - diamond 1000 Euros Job board --------- Non consortium member companies will be able to pay a fee (1000 Euros) to post job offers to the job board. End of Pharo Consortium Description ===================== *** Support and Answer needed*** ===================== To be able to pay an engineer by the consortium, INRIA needs to make projection, build budget, pay attention to visa and other important administrative tasks. To deal with the risk that the consortium may not collect enough to pay a full salary we are considering to ask INRIA to help us financially. To do so we have to give some concrete figures to INRIA and motivate our request. In addition, our team (RMOD) on its own budget will try to compensate by allocating extra resources However, this will be only a one shot. In addition, some of our team members have been approached by google to work on chrome and dart Virtual Machines. So if we really get a future we should build it now. Many of you told us that they want to support the consortium, now we need to know what would be amount of membership, sponsoring you could give. So please read carefully this mail and send us a mail at stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr with the same subject than this one. We will collect the information and build a case to present to INRIA. Thanks in advance for Pharo and for the future that we are building together. The RMOD team and the Pharo board

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[ANN] Android bindings for GNU Smalltalk
by Paolo Bonzini July 1, 2012

July 1, 2012

http://krecher.com/2012/06/android-binding-for-gnu-smalltalk-ready.html "Essentially it's no big thing - just a few lines of Smalltalk-code: i created a GNU Smalltalk star Package including the "Android" class that gives access to the full Android API via SL4A." Paolo

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