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Steven Costiou

Mon, Jun 24, 2024 2:43 PM

Dear community,
First, I would like to thanks again all the participants to our
experiment with object-centric breakpoints in Pharo.
Many people participated, and we plan to present our results in an
informal manner at ESUG.
However, from the scientifical point of view it would strenghten our
analysis if we had more participants.
The more participants we have, the more we can trust our results and
take enlightened decisions about how to further develop the
object-centric debugger.
Therefore, the experiment remains open until July 10th (included).
If you're interested you can still do it, the instructions are here
https://github.com/Pharo-XP-Tools/XPImageGeneration/tree/exp-ocd
Many people also declined to participate because of a lack of time,
which we totally understand.
This is why we also propose to you, if time is an issue, to participate
to the experiment during the first days of esug.
We can find a calm room in which we can supervise the experiment and
collect your data (reminder: once in our server the data is anonymized).
Please let us know if you would be potentially interested to participate
in such setting during ESUG.
Thanks in advance,
Steven and Valentin, EVREF team.

Dear community, First, I would like to thanks again all the participants to our experiment with object-centric breakpoints in Pharo. Many people participated, and we plan to present our results in an informal manner at ESUG. However, from the scientifical point of view it would strenghten our analysis if we had more participants. The more participants we have, the more we can trust our results and take enlightened decisions about how to further develop the object-centric debugger. Therefore, the experiment remains open until July 10th (included). If you're interested you can still do it, the instructions are here https://github.com/Pharo-XP-Tools/XPImageGeneration/tree/exp-ocd Many people also declined to participate because of a lack of time, which we totally understand. This is why we also propose to you, if time is an issue, to participate to the experiment during the first days of esug. We can find a calm room in which we can supervise the experiment and collect your data (reminder: once in our server the data is anonymized). Please let us know if you would be potentially interested to participate in such setting during ESUG. Thanks in advance, Steven and Valentin, EVREF team.

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Norbert Hartl

Tue, Jun 25, 2024 7:31 AM

Hi,

I'm interested. The only reason that made me not participate was indeed lack of time. But at ESUG there should be some.

Norbert

Am 24.06.2024 um 16:43 schrieb Steven Costiou steven.costiou@inria.fr:

Dear community,

First, I would like to thanks again all the participants to our experiment with object-centric breakpoints in Pharo.
Many people participated, and we plan to present our results in an informal manner at ESUG.

However, from the scientifical point of view it would strenghten our analysis if we had more participants.
The more participants we have, the more we can trust our results and take enlightened decisions about how to further develop the object-centric debugger.

Therefore, the experiment remains open until July 10th (included).
If you're interested you can still do it, the instructions are here https://github.com/Pharo-XP-Tools/XPImageGeneration/tree/exp-ocd

Many people also declined to participate because of a lack of time, which we totally understand.
This is why we also propose to you, if time is an issue, to participate to the experiment during the first days of esug.
We can find a calm room in which we can supervise the experiment and collect your data (reminder: once in our server the data is anonymized).

Please let us know if you would be potentially interested to participate in such setting during ESUG.

Thanks in advance,
Steven and Valentin, EVREF team.

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Hi, I'm interested. The _only_ reason that made me not participate was indeed lack of time. But at ESUG there should be some. Norbert > Am 24.06.2024 um 16:43 schrieb Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@inria.fr>: > > Dear community, > > First, I would like to thanks again all the participants to our experiment with object-centric breakpoints in Pharo. > Many people participated, and we plan to present our results in an informal manner at ESUG. > > However, from the scientifical point of view it would strenghten our analysis if we had more participants. > The more participants we have, the more we can trust our results and take enlightened decisions about how to further develop the object-centric debugger. > > Therefore, the experiment remains open until July 10th (included). > If you're interested you can still do it, the instructions are here https://github.com/Pharo-XP-Tools/XPImageGeneration/tree/exp-ocd > > Many people also declined to participate because of a lack of time, which we totally understand. > This is why we also propose to you, if time is an issue, to participate to the experiment during the first days of esug. > We can find a calm room in which we can supervise the experiment and collect your data (reminder: once in our server the data is anonymized). > > Please let us know if you would be potentially interested to participate in such setting during ESUG. > > Thanks in advance, > Steven and Valentin, EVREF team. > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org

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Noury Bouraqadi

Fri, Jun 28, 2024 11:30 AM

Same here. Sorry :-(
@Steven How about organizing a session during ESUG over a lunch break?

Noury
On Jun 25 2024, at 9:31 am, Norbert Hartl norbert@hartl.name wrote:

Hi,

I'm interested. The only reason that made me not participate was indeed lack of time. But at ESUG there should be some.

Norbert

Am 24.06.2024 um 16:43 schrieb Steven Costiou steven.costiou@inria.fr:

Dear community,
First, I would like to thanks again all the participants to our experiment with object-centric breakpoints in Pharo.
Many people participated, and we plan to present our results in an informal manner at ESUG.
However, from the scientifical point of view it would strenghten our analysis if we had more participants.
The more participants we have, the more we can trust our results and take enlightened decisions about how to further develop the object-centric debugger.
Therefore, the experiment remains open until July 10th (included).
If you're interested you can still do it, the instructions are here https://github.com/Pharo-XP-Tools/XPImageGeneration/tree/exp-ocd
Many people also declined to participate because of a lack of time, which we totally understand.
This is why we also propose to you, if time is an issue, to participate to the experiment during the first days of esug.
We can find a calm room in which we can supervise the experiment and collect your data (reminder: once in our server the data is anonymized).
Please let us know if you would be potentially interested to participate in such setting during ESUG.
Thanks in advance,
Steven and Valentin, EVREF team.

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Same here. Sorry :-( @Steven How about organizing a session during ESUG over a lunch break? Noury On Jun 25 2024, at 9:31 am, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm interested. The _only_ reason that made me not participate was indeed lack of time. But at ESUG there should be some. > > Norbert > > > Am 24.06.2024 um 16:43 schrieb Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@inria.fr>: > > > > Dear community, > > First, I would like to thanks again all the participants to our experiment with object-centric breakpoints in Pharo. > > Many people participated, and we plan to present our results in an informal manner at ESUG. > > However, from the scientifical point of view it would strenghten our analysis if we had more participants. > > The more participants we have, the more we can trust our results and take enlightened decisions about how to further develop the object-centric debugger. > > Therefore, the experiment remains open until July 10th (included). > > If you're interested you can still do it, the instructions are here https://github.com/Pharo-XP-Tools/XPImageGeneration/tree/exp-ocd > > Many people also declined to participate because of a lack of time, which we totally understand. > > This is why we also propose to you, if time is an issue, to participate to the experiment during the first days of esug. > > We can find a calm room in which we can supervise the experiment and collect your data (reminder: once in our server the data is anonymized). > > Please let us know if you would be potentially interested to participate in such setting during ESUG. > > Thanks in advance, > > Steven and Valentin, EVREF team. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org

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Gordana Rakic

Fri, Jun 28, 2024 11:56 AM

Yes, @Steven, maybe a session during the camp or Friday afternoon?

I might be in also...

Gordana

On 28. 6. 24. 13:30, Noury Bouraqadi wrote:

Same here. Sorry :-(
@Steven How about organizing a session during ESUG over a lunch break?

Noury

On Jun 25 2024, at 9:31 am, Norbert Hartl norbert@hartl.name wrote:

 Hi,

 I'm interested. The _only_ reason that made me not participate was
 indeed lack of time. But at ESUG there should be some.

 Norbert

     Am 24.06.2024 um 16:43 schrieb Steven Costiou
     <steven.costiou@inria.fr>:


     |

     Dear community,
     First, I would like to thanks again all the participants to
     our experiment with object-centric breakpoints in Pharo.
     Many people participated, and we plan to present our results
     in an informal manner at ESUG.
     However, from the scientifical point of view it would
     strenghten our analysis if we had more participants.
     The more participants we have, the more we can trust our
     results and take enlightened decisions about how to further
     develop the object-centric debugger.
     Therefore, the experiment remains open until July 10th (included).
     If you're interested you can still do it, the instructions are
     here
     https://github.com/Pharo-XP-Tools/XPImageGeneration/tree/exp-ocd
     Many people also declined to participate because of a lack of
     time, which we totally understand.
     This is why we also propose to you, if time is an issue, to
     participate to the experiment during the first days of esug.
     We can find a calm room in which we can supervise the
     experiment and collect your data (reminder: once in our server
     the data is anonymized).
     Please let us know if you would be potentially interested to
     participate in such setting during ESUG.
     Thanks in advance,
     Steven and Valentin, EVREF team.

     |

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Yes, @Steven, maybe a session during the camp or Friday afternoon? I might be in also... Gordana On 28. 6. 24. 13:30, Noury Bouraqadi wrote: > Same here. Sorry :-( > @Steven How about organizing a session during ESUG over a lunch break? > > Noury > > On Jun 25 2024, at 9:31 am, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm interested. The _only_ reason that made me not participate was > indeed lack of time. But at ESUG there should be some. > > Norbert > > Am 24.06.2024 um 16:43 schrieb Steven Costiou > <steven.costiou@inria.fr>: > > > | > > Dear community, > First, I would like to thanks again all the participants to > our experiment with object-centric breakpoints in Pharo. > Many people participated, and we plan to present our results > in an informal manner at ESUG. > However, from the scientifical point of view it would > strenghten our analysis if we had more participants. > The more participants we have, the more we can trust our > results and take enlightened decisions about how to further > develop the object-centric debugger. > Therefore, the experiment remains open until July 10th (included). > If you're interested you can still do it, the instructions are > here > https://github.com/Pharo-XP-Tools/XPImageGeneration/tree/exp-ocd > Many people also declined to participate because of a lack of > time, which we totally understand. > This is why we also propose to you, if time is an issue, to > participate to the experiment during the first days of esug. > We can find a calm room in which we can supervise the > experiment and collect your data (reminder: once in our server > the data is anonymized). > Please let us know if you would be potentially interested to > participate in such setting during ESUG. > Thanks in advance, > Steven and Valentin, EVREF team. > > | > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list --esug-list@lists.esug.org > To unsubscribe send an email toesug-list-leave@lists.esug.org

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Steven Costiou

Fri, Jul 5, 2024 12:01 PM

Hi,

thank you very much for helping :)

I totally understand the time issue and why people decline because of this.

We need at least 6 participants, more is always good but not necessary
at this point.

I think doing it over lunch is impractical because by the time you get
done, there might be no more food :p

I will propose to each of you some agenda, ideally during a talk or two
that you might want to sacrifice, or tuesday after the conference talks
at the end of the day.

Steven.

Le 28/06/2024 à 13:56, Gordana Rakic via Esug-list a écrit :

Yes, @Steven, maybe a session during the camp or Friday afternoon?

I might be in also...

Gordana

On 28. 6. 24. 13:30, Noury Bouraqadi wrote:

Same here. Sorry :-(
@Steven How about organizing a session during ESUG over a lunch break?

Noury

On Jun 25 2024, at 9:31 am, Norbert Hartl norbert@hartl.name wrote:

 Hi,

 I'm interested. The _only_ reason that made me not participate
 was indeed lack of time. But at ESUG there should be some.

 Norbert

     Am 24.06.2024 um 16:43 schrieb Steven Costiou
     <steven.costiou@inria.fr>:


     |

     Dear community,
     First, I would like to thanks again all the participants to
     our experiment with object-centric breakpoints in Pharo.
     Many people participated, and we plan to present our results
     in an informal manner at ESUG.
     However, from the scientifical point of view it would
     strenghten our analysis if we had more participants.
     The more participants we have, the more we can trust our
     results and take enlightened decisions about how to further
     develop the object-centric debugger.
     Therefore, the experiment remains open until July 10th
     (included).
     If you're interested you can still do it, the instructions
     are here
     https://github.com/Pharo-XP-Tools/XPImageGeneration/tree/exp-ocd
     Many people also declined to participate because of a lack of
     time, which we totally understand.
     This is why we also propose to you, if time is an issue, to
     participate to the experiment during the first days of esug.
     We can find a calm room in which we can supervise the
     experiment and collect your data (reminder: once in our
     server the data is anonymized).
     Please let us know if you would be potentially interested to
     participate in such setting during ESUG.
     Thanks in advance,
     Steven and Valentin, EVREF team.

     |

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Hi, thank you very much for helping :) I totally understand the time issue and why people decline because of this. We need at least 6 participants, more is always good but not necessary at this point. I think doing it over lunch is impractical because by the time you get done, there might be no more food :p I will propose to each of you some agenda, ideally during a talk or two that you might want to sacrifice, or tuesday after the conference talks at the end of the day. Steven. Le 28/06/2024 à 13:56, Gordana Rakic via Esug-list a écrit : > > Yes, @Steven, maybe a session during the camp or Friday afternoon? > > I might be in also... > > Gordana > > > On 28. 6. 24. 13:30, Noury Bouraqadi wrote: >> Same here. Sorry :-( >> @Steven How about organizing a session during ESUG over a lunch break? >> >> Noury >> >> On Jun 25 2024, at 9:31 am, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm interested. The _only_ reason that made me not participate >> was indeed lack of time. But at ESUG there should be some. >> >> Norbert >> >> Am 24.06.2024 um 16:43 schrieb Steven Costiou >> <steven.costiou@inria.fr>: >> >> >> | >> >> Dear community, >> First, I would like to thanks again all the participants to >> our experiment with object-centric breakpoints in Pharo. >> Many people participated, and we plan to present our results >> in an informal manner at ESUG. >> However, from the scientifical point of view it would >> strenghten our analysis if we had more participants. >> The more participants we have, the more we can trust our >> results and take enlightened decisions about how to further >> develop the object-centric debugger. >> Therefore, the experiment remains open until July 10th >> (included). >> If you're interested you can still do it, the instructions >> are here >> https://github.com/Pharo-XP-Tools/XPImageGeneration/tree/exp-ocd >> Many people also declined to participate because of a lack of >> time, which we totally understand. >> This is why we also propose to you, if time is an issue, to >> participate to the experiment during the first days of esug. >> We can find a calm room in which we can supervise the >> experiment and collect your data (reminder: once in our >> server the data is anonymized). >> Please let us know if you would be potentially interested to >> participate in such setting during ESUG. >> Thanks in advance, >> Steven and Valentin, EVREF team. >> >> | >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list --esug-list@lists.esug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email toesug-list-leave@lists.esug.org > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list --esug-list@lists.esug.org > To unsubscribe send an email toesug-list-leave@lists.esug.org

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