[Esug-list] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude

Richard Sargent rsargent at 5x5.on.ca
Tue Feb 11 03:18:32 EST 2014


Janko,

You have already thrown a brick. I don't understand your refusal to throw stones.

Who is being accused of doing what? Spell it out for us.





Sent from my Samsung S III

-------- Original message --------
From: Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek at eranova.si> 
Date: 2014/02/10  02:57  (GMT-08:00) 
To: smalltalk-gsoc-mentors at googlegroups.com 
Cc: ESUG Mailing list <esug-list at lists.esug.org>,Pharo Development List <pharo-dev at lists.pharo.org>,The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org> 
Subject: [Esug-list] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude 
 
Dne 10. 02. 2014 11:08, piše Stéphane Ducasse:

> Janko CAN YOU STOP!
> 
> "blatantly unethical behavior”
> Really
> 
> Stef

Stef, we are waiting to you. Will you tell us your part of the story
about your GSoC 2010 act or shall I start by myself?

Janko

>> Phil,

>> This matter is actually very important for Smalltalk community,
>> because it exposes nontransparent, meddling behind the scenes,
>> and in some cases blatantly unethical behavior of some ESUG board
>> members. Which is certainly bad for our community on long term.

>> Such matters need to be clarified and some conclusions to be made for a
>> community to preserve health and go on. Otherwise you are drowning into
>> murky waters more and more.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Janko
>>
>> Dne 10. 02. 2014 09:12, piše phil at highoctane.be
>> <mailto:phil at highoctane.be>:
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling in
>>> the kindergarten.
>>>
>>> All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward.
>>> Backwards, there is a fair chance.
>>>
>>> Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk.
>>>
>>> Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to
>>> fight over for an European org... (rolleyes).
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:luc.fabresse at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:luc.fabresse at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    Hi Janko,
>>>
>>>    I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4
>>>    extra-GSOC but we paid only 3 because one student gave
>>>    up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin). 
>>>    So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate
>>>    last year BUT we were willing to spend it.
>>>
>>>    Luc
>>>
>>>
>>>    2014-02-09 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek at eranova.si
>>> <mailto:janko.mivsek at eranova.si>
>>>    <mailto:janko.mivsek at eranova.si>>:
>>>
>>>        Dear all,
>>>
>>>        First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be
>>>        blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and
>>>        misguided.
>>>
>>>        Facts namely are:
>>>
>>>        1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1]
>>> while
>>>           ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any
>>>        report
>>>           back to GSoC mentors,
>>>
>>>        2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the
>>> pool for
>>>           paying extra projects [2][3].
>>>
>>>        Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is:
>>>
>>>        Income: GSoC 2012  13x 500 =  6.500 USD
>>>                GSoC 2013  13x 500 =  6.500 USD
>>>                ------------------------------
>>>                                     13.000 USD
>>>
>>>        Expenses:
>>>                Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD
>>>
>>>        Difference: + 4.000 USD
>>>
>>>        If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't
>>>        loose any
>>>        money but gain 4.000 USD.
>>>
>>>        Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to
>>>        apologize to
>>>        you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin!
>>>
>>>        Janko
>>>
>>>        [1]
>>>        https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg
>>>        [2]
>>>        https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8
>>>        [3]
>>>        https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw
>>>
>>>
>>>        Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> ------------
>>>> FACTS
>>>>
>>>> As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer.
>>>> So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC
>>>> projects in 2013.
>>>>
>>>> ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted
>>>        by Google.
>>>> In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and
>>>        Benjamin Arezki.
>>>>
>>>> All in all we paid:
>>>> - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular
>>>        GSOC) each
>>>> projects
>>>> - Serge trip to Mentor summit
>>>>
>>>> And we received 5552EUR from Google
>>>>
>>>> so yes we lost ~6582EUR
>>>> That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we
>>>> sponsorized 3.
>>>>
>>>> I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc
>>>        mentor
>>>> summit because it participates to the fact that Google
>>>        recognizes ESUG
>>>> ang gives slots the next year.
>>>>
>>>> It is alos important to note dates.
>>>> ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google.
>>>> It would not be possible to do it without ESUG.
>>>>
>>>> ------------
>>>> FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY:
>>>>
>>>> As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my
>>>        *own* time
>>>> and it takes a lot!
>>>> I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all
>>>        falvors!)
>>>> is a really great language that should be more widespread.
>>>>
>>>> I also completely open to discussions.
>>>> The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status.
>>>> I can do errors too.
>>>> So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK!
>>>>
>>>> I cannot admit that:
>>>>
>>>> - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly
>>>        directed
>>>> against the treasurer so me.
>>>> And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I
>>>        hide or
>>>> steal money make me think that I should better quit.
>>>>
>>>> - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would
>>>        have done a
>>>> mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK
>>>        ME for
>>>> DOING THIS BORING TASK!  and then I can correct mistakes if any
>>>>
>>>> - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started
>>>        yesterday and I
>>>> am spending my week-end with my kids
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am really fed up with this kind of attitude.
>>>> Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the
>>>        problems together
>>>> if any.
>>>> But I think it will never happen...
>>>>
>>>> #Luc
>>>> The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end
>>>        in bad mood


-- 
Janko Mivšek
Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team

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