[Esug-list] [Pharo-dev] Unethical behaviour on GSoC 2010 (was The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude)

Igor Stasenko siguctua at gmail.com
Mon Feb 10 13:08:17 EST 2014


Now that's the worst outcome which came out of it.
Thanks, Janko.. i hope you feel better now.


On 10 February 2014 18:44, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse at inria.fr>wrote:

> Hi happy (or sad like me today) Smalltalkers and friends for most of you.
>
> Thank for the support of some of you. I think that this story is an
> amazing press
> for Smalltalk. I’m still shocked that people do not realise how it can be
> bad for all of us.
> Now I have my part of responsibility and I should not have replied to such
> aggression.
> But I have one rule in life is to never let people lie about me and my
> projects.
>
> Since I feel that I cannot do much beside being systematically insulted
> without the right to say anything I will quit the GSOC mentor mailing-list,
> I will not propose any topics this year and I will set up a rule to any
> mails with Janko or
> GSOC to be trashed.
>
> I’m immensely sad for the students that work with me and all the people
> that trust me and
> judge me on my acts since all these years.
>
> Fools and idiots won. I lost no problem. I prefer to focus on creating
> good energy.
>
> No need to reply because my filter is on and delete everything
> automatically.
> Stef
>
> In these moments, I wonder why I did not went in ruby.
>
>
> On 10 Feb 2014, at 17:38, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek at eranova.si> wrote:
>
> > Time therefore to expose that sad story from GSoC 2010. So that the
> > community can judge by themselves if my claims are insults or real.
> >
> > For the start, this was not a money matter but meddling into project
> > selection process.
> >
> > Here is the story:
> >
> > On GSoC 2010 Gilad Bracha proposed a Newspeak/Smalltalk Import/Export
> > Tool project idea [1]. After the idea was put on ideas list [2],
> > Stéphane Ducasse ordered my co-admin to remove Gilad's idea from the
> > list. Co-admin told that to me. I was shocked that someone can come to
> > such an idea to remove something even in the idea phase from the GSoC.
> > Of course I rejected such an order immediately.
> >
> > Even more, co-admin was at that time just starting the postgraduade
> > study under the Mr.Ducasse mentorship. You can imagine how he felt, like
> > between two fires. It is reasonable therefore to suspect that Mr.Duccase
> > uses his power as a mentor over postgraduate student to try to achieve
> > his goal.
> >
> > What was the motivation of Mr.Ducasse to made such a blatant act was not
> > quite clear to me. And is also not important. Important is that such
> > removal attempts are totally unacceptable. Only GSoC mentors have that
> > right by reviewing and voting on the projects to be finally selected for
> > stipendiums.
> >
> > In any case, this incident was a start of my thinking and working on
> > GSoC to be as transparent, neutral and independent as possible.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Janko
> >
> > [1] http://gsoc2010.esug.org/projects/newspeak-tool
> > [2] http://gsoc2010.esug.org/ideas
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dne 10. 02. 2014 15:30, piše Stéphane Ducasse:
> >> I can tell you that until now I took that as a little crisis of Janko
> but now this makes me sick.
> >> I do not think that I will stand in the same room than him in the
> future.
> >>
> >> Sorry Janko you are insulting people publicly but you mention that you
> don't.
> >> I will check if I have a lawyer to handle this situation because you
> cannot have just words against me.
> >> I will check with the inria lawyer first.
> >>
> >> Stef
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I do not understand the motivation of Janko, especially since he is
> apparently alone to think that way.
> >>> It is impressive to see how fragile the community is.
> >>> Thanks Paolo and thanks the ESUG board for handling this difficult
> situation!
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Alexandre
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor at tudorgirba.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I support it, too.
> >>>>
> >>>> The only path to action I see is to act. And in this situation, Paolo
> was the only one that offered a pragmatic way out. Thank you, Paolo! :)
> >>>>
> >>>> So, I suggest this:
> >>>> - we take Marcus' suggestion and have the present issue be handled at
> the next ESUG general assembly. Like this we ensure that the problem is
> going to be addressed in a more effective environment (namely, more
> structured, and not via mail).
> >>>> - we go forward with Paolo as an admin. Like this we ensure that
> action happens now.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Doru
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <
> estebanlm at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> I support this, along with a general require that you keep this
> discussion in private.
> >>>>
> >>>> Esteban
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10 Feb 2014, at 12:10, Stephan Eggermont <stephan at stack.nl> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I no longer have confidence in Janko running as GSoC admin
> >>>>> and want Paolo to take over as admin for Esug as mentoring
> organisation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Stephan Eggermont
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>> "Every thing has its own flow"
> >>>
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Igor Stasenko.
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