[Esug-list] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude

Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse at inria.fr
Mon Feb 10 09:28:12 EST 2014


On 10 Feb 2014, at 11:57, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek at eranova.si> wrote:

> Dne 10. 02. 2014 11:08, piše Stéphane Ducasse:
> 
>> Janko CAN YOU STOP!
>> 
>> "blatantly unethical behavior”
>> Really
>> 
>> Stef
> 
> Stef, we are waiting to you. Will you tell us your part of the story
> about your GSoC 2010 act or shall I start by myself?

What?

What are you talking about?
Janko can you stop to systematically insult me because you are.

Stef


> 
> Janko
> 
>>> Phil,
> 
>>> This matter is actually very important for Smalltalk community,
>>> because it exposes nontransparent, meddling behind the scenes,
>>> and in some cases blatantly unethical behavior of some ESUG board
>>> members. Which is certainly bad for our community on long term.
> 
>>> Such matters need to be clarified and some conclusions to be made for a
>>> community to preserve health and go on. Otherwise you are drowning into
>>> murky waters more and more.
>>> 
>>> Best regards
>>> Janko
>>> 
>>> Dne 10. 02. 2014 09:12, piše phil at highoctane.be
>>> <mailto:phil at highoctane.be>:
>>>> Guys,
>>>> 
>>>> From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling in
>>>> the kindergarten.
>>>> 
>>>> All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward.
>>>> Backwards, there is a fair chance.
>>>> 
>>>> Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk.
>>>> 
>>>> Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to
>>>> fight over for an European org... (rolleyes).
>>>> 
>>>> Phil
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:luc.fabresse at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:luc.fabresse at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   Hi Janko,
>>>> 
>>>>   I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4
>>>>   extra-GSOC but we paid only 3 because one student gave
>>>>   up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin). 
>>>>   So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate
>>>>   last year BUT we were willing to spend it.
>>>> 
>>>>   Luc
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   2014-02-09 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek at eranova.si
>>>> <mailto:janko.mivsek at eranova.si>
>>>>   <mailto:janko.mivsek at eranova.si>>:
>>>> 
>>>>       Dear all,
>>>> 
>>>>       First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be
>>>>       blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and
>>>>       misguided.
>>>> 
>>>>       Facts namely are:
>>>> 
>>>>       1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1]
>>>> while
>>>>          ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any
>>>>       report
>>>>          back to GSoC mentors,
>>>> 
>>>>       2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the
>>>> pool for
>>>>          paying extra projects [2][3].
>>>> 
>>>>       Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is:
>>>> 
>>>>       Income: GSoC 2012  13x 500 =  6.500 USD
>>>>               GSoC 2013  13x 500 =  6.500 USD
>>>>               ------------------------------
>>>>                                    13.000 USD
>>>> 
>>>>       Expenses:
>>>>               Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD
>>>> 
>>>>       Difference: + 4.000 USD
>>>> 
>>>>       If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't
>>>>       loose any
>>>>       money but gain 4.000 USD.
>>>> 
>>>>       Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to
>>>>       apologize to
>>>>       you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin!
>>>> 
>>>>       Janko
>>>> 
>>>>       [1]
>>>>       https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg
>>>>       [2]
>>>>       https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8
>>>>       [3]
>>>>       https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>       Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------
>>>>> FACTS
>>>>> 
>>>>> As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer.
>>>>> So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC
>>>>> projects in 2013.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted
>>>>       by Google.
>>>>> In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and
>>>>       Benjamin Arezki.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All in all we paid:
>>>>> - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular
>>>>       GSOC) each
>>>>> projects
>>>>> - Serge trip to Mentor summit
>>>>> 
>>>>> And we received 5552EUR from Google
>>>>> 
>>>>> so yes we lost ~6582EUR
>>>>> That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we
>>>>> sponsorized 3.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc
>>>>       mentor
>>>>> summit because it participates to the fact that Google
>>>>       recognizes ESUG
>>>>> ang gives slots the next year.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is alos important to note dates.
>>>>> ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google.
>>>>> It would not be possible to do it without ESUG.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------
>>>>> FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY:
>>>>> 
>>>>> As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my
>>>>       *own* time
>>>>> and it takes a lot!
>>>>> I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all
>>>>       falvors!)
>>>>> is a really great language that should be more widespread.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I also completely open to discussions.
>>>>> The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status.
>>>>> I can do errors too.
>>>>> So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I cannot admit that:
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly
>>>>       directed
>>>>> against the treasurer so me.
>>>>> And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I
>>>>       hide or
>>>>> steal money make me think that I should better quit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would
>>>>       have done a
>>>>> mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK
>>>>       ME for
>>>>> DOING THIS BORING TASK!  and then I can correct mistakes if any
>>>>> 
>>>>> - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started
>>>>       yesterday and I
>>>>> am spending my week-end with my kids
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am really fed up with this kind of attitude.
>>>>> Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the
>>>>       problems together
>>>>> if any.
>>>>> But I think it will never happen...
>>>>> 
>>>>> #Luc
>>>>> The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end
>>>>       in bad mood
> 
> 
> -- 
> Janko Mivšek
> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team





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