[Esug-list] [Pharo-dev] [gsoc-mentors] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude

Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse at inria.fr
Mon Feb 10 04:16:55 EST 2014


Paolo

I did not discuss yet with the ESUG board but we are sick of all this. 
Can you really run the GSOC this year administratively because I think that ESUG should stop to be a bank for it?
I think that Janko is getting off. We cannot work with a person like that. I will make us lose too much energy. 
Like that the mentors will be free to do whatever they want to do.

Stef


> Dear all,
> 
> First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be
> blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and misguided.
> 
> Facts namely are:
> 
> 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while
>   ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any report
>   back to GSoC mentors,
> 
> 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for
>   paying extra projects [2][3].
> 
> Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is:
> 
> Income: GSoC 2012  13x 500 =  6.500 USD
>        GSoC 2013  13x 500 =  6.500 USD
>        ------------------------------
>                             13.000 USD
> 
> Expenses:
>        Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD
> 
> Difference: + 4.000 USD
> 
> If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't loose any
> money but gain 4.000 USD.
> 
> Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to apologize to
> you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin!
> 
> Janko
> 
> [1]
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg
> [2]
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8
> [3]
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw
> 
> 
> Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> ------------
>> FACTS
>> 
>> As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer.
>> So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC
>> projects in 2013. 
>> 
>> ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by Google.
>> In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki.
>> 
>> All in all we paid:
>> - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each
>> projects 
>> - Serge trip to Mentor summit
>> 
>> And we received 5552EUR from Google
>> 
>> so yes we lost ~6582EUR
>> That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we
>> sponsorized 3.
>> 
>> I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor
>> summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG
>> ang gives slots the next year.
>> 
>> It is alos important to note dates.
>> ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. 
>> It would not be possible to do it without ESUG.
>> 
>> ------------
>> FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY:
>> 
>> As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time
>> and it takes a lot!
>> I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!)
>> is a really great language that should be more widespread. 
>> 
>> I also completely open to discussions.
>> The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status.
>> I can do errors too.
>> So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK!
>> 
>> I cannot admit that:
>> 
>> - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed
>> against the treasurer so me. 
>> And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or
>> steal money make me think that I should better quit.
>> 
>> - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a
>> mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for
>> DOING THIS BORING TASK!  and then I can correct mistakes if any
>> 
>> - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I
>> am spending my week-end with my kids
>> 
>> 
>> I am really fed up with this kind of attitude.
>> Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together
>> if any.
>> But I think it will never happen...
>> 
>> #Luc
>> The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Janko Mivšek
> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team

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