[Esug-list] [Pharo-dev] [gsoc-mentors] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude

Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse at inria.fr
Mon Feb 10 04:15:36 EST 2014


> If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't loose any
> money but gain 4.000 USD.

This is what I thought when luc told me that we lost money. Now he did not show to he ESUG board the 
exact details because he did not crawl yet in all the bills. 
Now if you check the old in the mailing-list  I even said that there was no problem for 2000 Euros esug would cover that if this cover an extra student. 


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> Guys
> 
> ESUG can solve that. we should avoid to spend time on that for 2000 =
> Euros.
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> 
> Stef
> On May 28, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Janko Miv=9Aek <janko.mivsek at gmail.com> =
> wrote:


So Janko I would be grateful that you STOP.

> Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to apologize to
> you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin!

Who are those guys?

Seriously you are getting really over. 

Stef

> 
> Janko
> 
> [1]
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg
> [2]
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8
> [3]
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw
> 
> 
> Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> ------------
>> FACTS
>> 
>> As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer.
>> So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC
>> projects in 2013. 
>> 
>> ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by Google.
>> In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki.
>> 
>> All in all we paid:
>> - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each
>> projects 
>> - Serge trip to Mentor summit
>> 
>> And we received 5552EUR from Google
>> 
>> so yes we lost ~6582EUR
>> That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we
>> sponsorized 3.
>> 
>> I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor
>> summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG
>> ang gives slots the next year.
>> 
>> It is alos important to note dates.
>> ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. 
>> It would not be possible to do it without ESUG.
>> 
>> ------------
>> FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY:
>> 
>> As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time
>> and it takes a lot!
>> I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!)
>> is a really great language that should be more widespread. 
>> 
>> I also completely open to discussions.
>> The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status.
>> I can do errors too.
>> So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK!
>> 
>> I cannot admit that:
>> 
>> - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed
>> against the treasurer so me. 
>> And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or
>> steal money make me think that I should better quit.
>> 
>> - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a
>> mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for
>> DOING THIS BORING TASK!  and then I can correct mistakes if any
>> 
>> - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I
>> am spending my week-end with my kids
>> 
>> 
>> I am really fed up with this kind of attitude.
>> Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together
>> if any.
>> But I think it will never happen...
>> 
>> #Luc
>> The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Janko Mivšek
> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team

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