[Esug-list] [Pharo-dev] [gsoc-mentors] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude

phil at highoctane.be phil at highoctane.be
Mon Feb 10 03:12:02 EST 2014


Guys,

>From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling in
the kindergarten.

All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward.
Backwards, there is a fair chance.

Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk.

Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to fight
over for an European org... (rolleyes).

Phil




On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Janko,
>
> I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4 extra-GSOC
> but we paid only 3 because one student gave up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin).
> So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate last
> year BUT we were willing to spend it.
>
> Luc
>
>
> 2014-02-09 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek at eranova.si>:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be
>> blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and misguided.
>>
>> Facts namely are:
>>
>> 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while
>>    ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any report
>>    back to GSoC mentors,
>>
>> 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for
>>    paying extra projects [2][3].
>>
>> Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is:
>>
>> Income: GSoC 2012  13x 500 =  6.500 USD
>>         GSoC 2013  13x 500 =  6.500 USD
>>         ------------------------------
>>                              13.000 USD
>>
>> Expenses:
>>         Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD
>>
>> Difference: + 4.000 USD
>>
>> If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't loose any
>> money but gain 4.000 USD.
>>
>> Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to apologize to
>> you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin!
>>
>> Janko
>>
>> [1]
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg
>> [2]
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8
>> [3]
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw
>>
>>
>> Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > ------------
>> > FACTS
>> >
>> > As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer.
>> > So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC
>> > projects in 2013.
>> >
>> > ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by
>> Google.
>> > In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki.
>> >
>> > All in all we paid:
>> > - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each
>> > projects
>> > - Serge trip to Mentor summit
>> >
>> > And we received 5552EUR from Google
>> >
>> > so yes we lost ~6582EUR
>> > That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we
>> > sponsorized 3.
>> >
>> > I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor
>> > summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG
>> > ang gives slots the next year.
>> >
>> > It is alos important to note dates.
>> > ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google.
>> > It would not be possible to do it without ESUG.
>> >
>> > ------------
>> > FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY:
>> >
>> > As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time
>> > and it takes a lot!
>> > I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!)
>> > is a really great language that should be more widespread.
>> >
>> > I also completely open to discussions.
>> > The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status.
>> > I can do errors too.
>> > So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK!
>> >
>> > I cannot admit that:
>> >
>> > - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed
>> > against the treasurer so me.
>> > And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or
>> > steal money make me think that I should better quit.
>> >
>> > - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a
>> > mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for
>> > DOING THIS BORING TASK!  and then I can correct mistakes if any
>> >
>> > - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I
>> > am spending my week-end with my kids
>> >
>> >
>> > I am really fed up with this kind of attitude.
>> > Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together
>> > if any.
>> > But I think it will never happen...
>> >
>> > #Luc
>> > The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Janko Mivšek
>> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team
>>
>
>
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