[Esug-list] [gsoc-mentors] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude

Luc Fabresse luc.fabresse at gmail.com
Mon Feb 10 02:29:04 EST 2014


Hi Janko,

I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4 extra-GSOC
but we paid only 3 because one student gave up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin).
So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate last
year BUT we were willing to spend it.

Luc


2014-02-09 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek at eranova.si>:

> Dear all,
>
> First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be
> blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and misguided.
>
> Facts namely are:
>
> 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while
>    ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any report
>    back to GSoC mentors,
>
> 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for
>    paying extra projects [2][3].
>
> Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is:
>
> Income: GSoC 2012  13x 500 =  6.500 USD
>         GSoC 2013  13x 500 =  6.500 USD
>         ------------------------------
>                              13.000 USD
>
> Expenses:
>         Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD
>
> Difference: + 4.000 USD
>
> If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't loose any
> money but gain 4.000 USD.
>
> Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to apologize to
> you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin!
>
> Janko
>
> [1]
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg
> [2]
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8
> [3]
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw
>
>
> Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > ------------
> > FACTS
> >
> > As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer.
> > So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC
> > projects in 2013.
> >
> > ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by Google.
> > In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki.
> >
> > All in all we paid:
> > - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each
> > projects
> > - Serge trip to Mentor summit
> >
> > And we received 5552EUR from Google
> >
> > so yes we lost ~6582EUR
> > That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we
> > sponsorized 3.
> >
> > I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor
> > summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG
> > ang gives slots the next year.
> >
> > It is alos important to note dates.
> > ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google.
> > It would not be possible to do it without ESUG.
> >
> > ------------
> > FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY:
> >
> > As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time
> > and it takes a lot!
> > I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!)
> > is a really great language that should be more widespread.
> >
> > I also completely open to discussions.
> > The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status.
> > I can do errors too.
> > So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK!
> >
> > I cannot admit that:
> >
> > - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed
> > against the treasurer so me.
> > And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or
> > steal money make me think that I should better quit.
> >
> > - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a
> > mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for
> > DOING THIS BORING TASK!  and then I can correct mistakes if any
> >
> > - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I
> > am spending my week-end with my kids
> >
> >
> > I am really fed up with this kind of attitude.
> > Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together
> > if any.
> > But I think it will never happen...
> >
> > #Luc
> > The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood
> >
>
>
> --
> Janko Mivšek
> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team
>
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