Re: [Esug-list] [Pharo-users] **IMPORTANT** MUST READ: Pharo Association and Consortium
Hi Stef, how do we subscribe to the consortium ? Laurent Laffont On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:38 PM, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse@free.fr>wrote:
I can open a wiki page to maintain the list of consortium member I received. Let me know if it makes sense to you.
Stef
On Jun 28, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Dear Pharoers and Smalltalkers
This mail is really important so read it carefully. Especially the last part of the mail is important for the immediate future: we need your support and input. Read section ***Support*** at the end of this mail.
Context ======= After taking into account feedback from companies and pharo users in different occasions and discussing with the INRIA lawyers and the team in charge of the administrative aspect of the consoritum here is the setup we finally want for the consortium. We will have two separated entities: - one french law 1901 association for individuals and - one consortium for institutions (companies, research groups, laboratories, universities...) managed by INRIA
We hope that in the long run the consortium will be fully managed by the association but in the current bootstrap phase INRIA is a good solution.
============== The Pharo Association ============== The goal of the association is to promote Pharo. It will have its own web site.
Individual Memberships (managed by the Pharo Association) ---------------------- There are two individual memberships - Individual Pharo Association Member: Yearly fee 40 Euros - Golden Individual Pharo Association Member: Yearly fee 99 Euros
You will get a nice goody, reduction access to conferences, reduction for training and access to teaching material, be part of the pharo groups on social networks, be part of the pharoAssociation-individual-members mailing-list, get access and registered to the pharo association web site.
Others (managed by the Pharo Association) ---------------------- The association will be able to issues bills so you will be able to buy a Pharo distribution when your organization cannot be a member, a sponsor or doing a donation to the Pharo consortium.
End of Pharo Association Description
=========================== The Pharo Consortium (managed by INRIA) =========================== The goal of the consortium is to structure and build an umbrella to foster business around Pharo and to promote Pharo.
A company, user group, research group, team or institution can be a consortium member, not individual member.
There are three levels of fees and corresponding benefits. You decide your degree of support. The annual fees are - Bronze 1000 Euros - Silver 2000 Euros - Gold 4000 Euros
Consortium members main advantages are ---------------------------------------- Non individual members of the consortium get the following advantages:
- privileged access to the core development team via a specific mailing-list pharo-core-team-for-members@lists.gforge.inria.fr
- influence priorities of the next development. The member will be able to propose agenda points and items for the executive team. They will be requested one month in advance before the committee meeting.
- get access to privileged core engineer time (to address pharo core problems)
- Bronze member gets one day of engineering time + is automatically a diamond sponsor.
- Silver + two days of engineering time + one job description for job dashboard + is automatically a diamond sponsor..
- Gold four + 4 days of engineering time + multiple job description for job dashboard + is automatically a diamond sponsor.
- Training special prices and possibility to become pharo trainer - Pharo consortium member can also ask and pay for extra support days at INRIA engineer prices (around 600 Euros) per day. - Member can offer to their client access to the possibility to pay for extra support days at INRIA engineer prices (around 600 Euros) per day. - The core team can provide contact with experts for certain areas of development.
Pharo Consortium Gouvernance: steering committee ---------------------------------------- The consortium will be managed as follows: There will be a steering committee and an Executive Team.
* A steering committee is composed of one representative of each member (except individuals).
* The chairman of this committee will be Inria
* Steering Committee Role : - The Steering Committee follows the execution of the PHARO R&D Team - It validates and gives input about the task list of the Executive Team. - It can propose members of the executive team. - It prepares, organizes conferences, seminars or other animations to promote PHARO and have new members - It revises the annual fee * Decisions taking: after consultation and collect of representative member points of views, Inria takes the final decision.
* The steering committee will communicate via a private mailing-list. It may meet physical once a year.
* An agenda to reach conclusion will be established by Inria on proposals of the members (the members will be queried a month in advance).
Technical Executive Committee (akaR&D task) ---------------------------------------- * The Executive Team is composed of members proposed by the steering board and RMOD Team * Its roles is to * Study, analyze and validate external contributions for PHARO * Report to the steering committee * Present a task list to the steering committee. * Propose, schedule and implement tasks in conformance with the tasks list. * Coordinate the release Pharo and its VMs
Pharo consortium Sponsoring --------------------------- Orthogonally to memberships, an entity can be a sponsor of the consortium without being a pharo consortium member. Pharo consortium are de factor platinium sponsor. Sponsors will get their logos name exposed to the consortium web site. There are two kinds of sponsors: - normal 500 Euros - diamond 1000 Euros
Job board --------- Non consortium member companies will be able to pay a fee (1000 Euros) to post job offers to the job board.
End of Pharo Consortium Description
===================== *** Support and Answer needed*** =====================
To be able to pay an engineer by the consortium, INRIA needs to make projection, build budget, pay attention to visa and other important administrative tasks. To deal with the risk that the consortium may not collect enough to pay a full salary we are considering to ask INRIA to help us financially. To do so we have to give some concrete figures to INRIA and motivate our request. In addition, our team (RMOD) on its own budget will try to compensate by allocating extra resources However, this will be only a one shot. In addition, some of our team members have been approached by google to work on chrome and dart Virtual Machines. So if we really get a future we should build it now.
Many of you told us that they want to support the consortium, now we need to know what would be amount of membership, sponsoring you could give. So please read carefully this mail and send us a mail at stephane.ducasse@inria.fr with the same subject than this one. We will collect the information and build a case to present to INRIA. Thanks in advance for Pharo and for the future that we are building together.
The RMOD team and the Pharo board
Hi laurent
how do we subscribe to the consortium ?
for now only company, institution, research group, labs, ... (non individual people) can be member of the consortium because of administrative details. INRIA lawyers are checking what can be done. We decided to make it simpler so that we can move on. The idea is that if we want to avoid that a guy like igor got hired by google :( we should make sure that we get some money for the consortium. Now to hire somebody we have to plan in advance. Now you can be an Pharo association member. In the future, if (I really hope) the consortium can sustain itself, it will leave INRIA and be managed by the association and in that case individual pharo members will be member of the consortium with the same status as individual will get (because we cannot really give the same to somebody paying 40 euros and a company paying 1000/2000 Euros). After since the consortium can offer payed engineer hours, everything is possible. Esteban is working on the association web site right now. We are filling up all the papers to get a bank account for the association. Does it answer your question? Stef
Laurent Laffont
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:38 PM, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse@free.fr> wrote: I can open a wiki page to maintain the list of consortium member I received. Let me know if it makes sense to you.
Stef
On Jun 28, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Dear Pharoers and Smalltalkers
This mail is really important so read it carefully. Especially the last part of the mail is important for the immediate future: we need your support and input. Read section ***Support*** at the end of this mail.
Context ======= After taking into account feedback from companies and pharo users in different occasions and discussing with the INRIA lawyers and the team in charge of the administrative aspect of the consoritum here is the setup we finally want for the consortium. We will have two separated entities: - one french law 1901 association for individuals and - one consortium for institutions (companies, research groups, laboratories, universities...) managed by INRIA
We hope that in the long run the consortium will be fully managed by the association but in the current bootstrap phase INRIA is a good solution.
============== The Pharo Association ============== The goal of the association is to promote Pharo. It will have its own web site.
Individual Memberships (managed by the Pharo Association) ---------------------- There are two individual memberships - Individual Pharo Association Member: Yearly fee 40 Euros - Golden Individual Pharo Association Member: Yearly fee 99 Euros
You will get a nice goody, reduction access to conferences, reduction for training and access to teaching material, be part of the pharo groups on social networks, be part of the pharoAssociation-individual-members mailing-list, get access and registered to the pharo association web site.
Others (managed by the Pharo Association) ---------------------- The association will be able to issues bills so you will be able to buy a Pharo distribution when your organization cannot be a member, a sponsor or doing a donation to the Pharo consortium.
End of Pharo Association Description
=========================== The Pharo Consortium (managed by INRIA) =========================== The goal of the consortium is to structure and build an umbrella to foster business around Pharo and to promote Pharo.
A company, user group, research group, team or institution can be a consortium member, not individual member.
There are three levels of fees and corresponding benefits. You decide your degree of support. The annual fees are - Bronze 1000 Euros - Silver 2000 Euros - Gold 4000 Euros
Consortium members main advantages are ---------------------------------------- Non individual members of the consortium get the following advantages:
- privileged access to the core development team via a specific mailing-list pharo-core-team-for-members@lists.gforge.inria.fr
- influence priorities of the next development. The member will be able to propose agenda points and items for the executive team. They will be requested one month in advance before the committee meeting.
- get access to privileged core engineer time (to address pharo core problems)
- Bronze member gets one day of engineering time + is automatically a diamond sponsor.
- Silver + two days of engineering time + one job description for job dashboard + is automatically a diamond sponsor..
- Gold four + 4 days of engineering time + multiple job description for job dashboard + is automatically a diamond sponsor.
- Training special prices and possibility to become pharo trainer - Pharo consortium member can also ask and pay for extra support days at INRIA engineer prices (around 600 Euros) per day. - Member can offer to their client access to the possibility to pay for extra support days at INRIA engineer prices (around 600 Euros) per day. - The core team can provide contact with experts for certain areas of development.
Pharo Consortium Gouvernance: steering committee ---------------------------------------- The consortium will be managed as follows: There will be a steering committee and an Executive Team.
* A steering committee is composed of one representative of each member (except individuals).
* The chairman of this committee will be Inria
* Steering Committee Role : - The Steering Committee follows the execution of the PHARO R&D Team - It validates and gives input about the task list of the Executive Team. - It can propose members of the executive team. - It prepares, organizes conferences, seminars or other animations to promote PHARO and have new members - It revises the annual fee * Decisions taking: after consultation and collect of representative member points of views, Inria takes the final decision.
* The steering committee will communicate via a private mailing-list. It may meet physical once a year.
* An agenda to reach conclusion will be established by Inria on proposals of the members (the members will be queried a month in advance).
Technical Executive Committee (akaR&D task) ---------------------------------------- * The Executive Team is composed of members proposed by the steering board and RMOD Team * Its roles is to * Study, analyze and validate external contributions for PHARO * Report to the steering committee * Present a task list to the steering committee. * Propose, schedule and implement tasks in conformance with the tasks list. * Coordinate the release Pharo and its VMs
Pharo consortium Sponsoring --------------------------- Orthogonally to memberships, an entity can be a sponsor of the consortium without being a pharo consortium member. Pharo consortium are de factor platinium sponsor. Sponsors will get their logos name exposed to the consortium web site. There are two kinds of sponsors: - normal 500 Euros - diamond 1000 Euros
Job board --------- Non consortium member companies will be able to pay a fee (1000 Euros) to post job offers to the job board.
End of Pharo Consortium Description
===================== *** Support and Answer needed*** =====================
To be able to pay an engineer by the consortium, INRIA needs to make projection, build budget, pay attention to visa and other important administrative tasks. To deal with the risk that the consortium may not collect enough to pay a full salary we are considering to ask INRIA to help us financially. To do so we have to give some concrete figures to INRIA and motivate our request. In addition, our team (RMOD) on its own budget will try to compensate by allocating extra resources However, this will be only a one shot. In addition, some of our team members have been approached by google to work on chrome and dart Virtual Machines. So if we really get a future we should build it now.
Many of you told us that they want to support the consortium, now we need to know what would be amount of membership, sponsoring you could give. So please read carefully this mail and send us a mail at stephane.ducasse@inria.fr with the same subject than this one. We will collect the information and build a case to present to INRIA. Thanks in advance for Pharo and for the future that we are building together.
The RMOD team and the Pharo board
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On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
wrote:
Hi laurent
how do we subscribe to the consortium ?
for now only company, institution, research group, labs, ... (non individual people) can be member of the consortium because of administrative details. INRIA lawyers are checking what can be done. We decided to make it simpler so that we can move on. The idea is that if we want to avoid that a guy like igor got hired by google :( we should make sure that we get some money for the consortium. Now to hire somebody we have to plan in advance.
Now you can be an Pharo association member. In the future, if (I really hope) the consortium can sustain itself, it will leave INRIA and be managed by the association and in that case individual pharo members will be member of the consortium with the same status as individual will get (because we cannot really give the same to somebody paying 40 euros and a company paying 1000/2000 Euros). After since the consortium can offer payed engineer hours, everything is possible.
Esteban is working on the association web site right now. We are filling up all the papers to get a bank account for the association.
Does it answer your question?
Yes, thank you. Laurent
Stef
Laurent Laffont
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:38 PM, stephane ducasse <
stephane.ducasse@free.fr> wrote:
I can open a wiki page to maintain the list of consortium member I received. Let me know if it makes sense to you.
Stef
On Jun 28, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Dear Pharoers and Smalltalkers
This mail is really important so read it carefully. Especially the last part of the mail is important for the immediate future: we need your support and input. Read section ***Support*** at the end of this mail.
Context ======= After taking into account feedback from companies and pharo users in different occasions and discussing with the INRIA lawyers and the team in charge of the administrative aspect of the consoritum here is the setup we finally want for the consortium. We will have two separated entities: - one french law 1901 association for individuals and - one consortium for institutions (companies, research groups, laboratories, universities...) managed by INRIA
We hope that in the long run the consortium will be fully managed by the association but in the current bootstrap phase INRIA is a good solution.
============== The Pharo Association ============== The goal of the association is to promote Pharo. It will have its own web site.
Individual Memberships (managed by the Pharo Association) ---------------------- There are two individual memberships - Individual Pharo Association Member: Yearly fee 40 Euros - Golden Individual Pharo Association Member: Yearly fee 99 Euros
You will get a nice goody, reduction access to conferences, reduction for training and access to teaching material, be part of the pharo groups on social networks, be part of the pharoAssociation-individual-members mailing-list, get access and registered to the pharo association web site.
Others (managed by the Pharo Association) ---------------------- The association will be able to issues bills so you will be able to buy a Pharo distribution when your organization cannot be a member, a sponsor or doing a donation to the Pharo consortium.
End of Pharo Association Description
=========================== The Pharo Consortium (managed by INRIA) =========================== The goal of the consortium is to structure and build an umbrella to foster business around Pharo and to promote Pharo.
A company, user group, research group, team or institution can be a consortium member, not individual member.
There are three levels of fees and corresponding benefits. You decide your degree of support. The annual fees are - Bronze 1000 Euros - Silver 2000 Euros - Gold 4000 Euros
Consortium members main advantages are ---------------------------------------- Non individual members of the consortium get the following advantages:
- privileged access to the core development team via a specific mailing-list
pharo-core-team-for-members@lists.gforge.inria.fr
- influence priorities of the next development. The
member will be able to propose
agenda points and items for the executive team. They
will be requested one month in
advance before the committee meeting.
- get access to privileged core engineer time (to
address pharo core problems)
- Bronze member gets one day of engineering time + is automatically a diamond
sponsor.
- Silver + two days of engineering time + one job description for job
dashboard
+ is automatically a diamond
sponsor..
- Gold four + 4 days of engineering time + multiple job description for
job dashboard
+ is automatically a diamond
sponsor.
- Training special prices and possibility to become
pharo trainer
- Pharo consortium member can also ask and pay for extra
support days at INRIA engineer prices (around 600 Euros) per day.
- Member can offer to their client access to the
possibility to pay for extra support days at INRIA engineer prices (around 600 Euros) per day.
- The core team can provide contact with experts for
certain areas of development.
Pharo Consortium Gouvernance: steering committee ---------------------------------------- The consortium will be managed as follows: There will be a
steering committee and an Executive Team.
* A steering committee is composed of one representative
of each member (except individuals).
* The chairman of this committee will be Inria
* Steering Committee Role : - The Steering Committee follows the execution
of the PHARO R&D Team
- It validates and gives input about the task
list of the Executive Team.
- It can propose members of the executive team. - It prepares, organizes conferences, seminars
or other animations to promote PHARO and have new members
- It revises the annual fee * Decisions taking: after consultation and collect of
representative member points of views, Inria takes the final decision.
* The steering committee will communicate via a private
mailing-list. It may meet physical once a year.
* An agenda to reach conclusion will be established by
Inria on proposals of the members (the members will be queried a month in advance).
Technical Executive Committee (akaR&D task) ---------------------------------------- * The Executive Team is composed of members proposed by
the steering board and RMOD Team
* Its roles is to * Study, analyze and validate external
contributions for PHARO
* Report to the steering committee * Present a task list to the steering committee. * Propose, schedule and implement tasks in
conformance with the tasks list.
* Coordinate the release Pharo and its VMs
Pharo consortium Sponsoring --------------------------- Orthogonally to memberships, an entity can be a sponsor
of the consortium without being a pharo consortium member.
Pharo consortium are de factor platinium sponsor.
Sponsors will get their logos name exposed to the consortium web site.
There are two kinds of sponsors: - normal 500 Euros - diamond 1000 Euros
Job board --------- Non consortium member companies will be able to pay a
fee (1000 Euros) to post job offers to the job board.
End of Pharo Consortium Description
===================== *** Support and Answer needed*** =====================
To be able to pay an engineer by the consortium, INRIA needs to make
projection, build budget, pay attention to visa
and other important administrative tasks. To deal with the risk that the consortium may not collect enough to pay a full salary we are considering to ask INRIA to help us financially. To do so we have to give some concrete figures to INRIA and motivate our request. In addition, our team (RMOD) on its own budget will try to compensate by allocating extra resources However, this will be only a one shot. In addition, some of our team members have been approached by google to work on chrome and dart Virtual Machines. So if we really get a future we should build it now.
Many of you told us that they want to support the consortium, now we need to know what would be amount of membership, sponsoring you could give. So please read carefully this mail and send us a mail at stephane.ducasse@inria.fr with the same subject than this one. We will collect the information and build a case to present to INRIA. Thanks in advance for Pharo and for the future that we are building together.
The RMOD team and the Pharo board
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