Re: [Esug-list] [squeak-dev] Re: Vote for the best Smalltalk book of the last 5 years...
Since we do not add french books we do not add spanish nor japanese ones. On Sep 8, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Ricardo Moran wrote:
You should add Diego Gomez Deck book "Programando con Smalltalk". It's in spanish so it may not be the most popular but I believe it's a very nice book (although somewhat old now).
It was the first smalltalk book I read and I learned the basics with it, so I'm very fond of this book :)
Regarding the book translations discussion I think translating books is very important. Even though you still need to understand english to code smalltalk I still like to read books in my language. If you get the infrastructure right I'm willing to help translating stuff to spanish in my free time.
Cheers Richo
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. <jecel@merlintec.com> wrote: Bert Freudenberg wrote on Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:50:22 +0200
I for one am happy that there were enough books written about Smalltalk that we can have a competition.
Thank you for organizing the contest, ESUG.
I would also like to thank both ESUG for holding the contest and the authors for their very valuable contribution to the community. While Andreas does have a point about conflict of interest, it is unavoidable due to the small size of our community (we had quite a bit of conflict over this on squeak-dev last year, for example). It is like the small town where the same guy is the sheriff, the auto repairman, the judge, the fireman and so on.
About the list itself, I did a quick search on Amazon for "smalltalk" and found these others:
Discovering Smalltalk (The Benjamin/Cummings Series in Object-Oriented Software Engineering) by Wilf Lalonde (Paperback - Jan 17, 2008) - it seems to use Digitalk Smalltalk V, so this is probably a new edition of an old book
Advances in Smalltalk: 14th International Smaltalk Conference, ISC 2006, Prague, Czech Republic, September 4-8, 2006, Revised Selected Papers (Lecture ... / Programming and Software Engineering) by Wolfgang De Meuter (Paperback - May 18, 2007)
Grundkurs Smalltalk - Objektorientierung von Anfang an by Johannes Brauer (Perfect Paperback - 2008) - in German
Einsamkeit überwinden mit der TALISUND Strategie. Neue Menschen kennen lernen - ohne Smalltalk. by einsamkeit-ueberwinden.org (Paperback - Mar 30, 2010) - in German
The SICS Java Port Project: Automatic Translation of a Large Object Oriented System from Smalltalk to Java by Skarsaune Martin (Paperback - Sep 15, 2008) - I would expect zero votes for this one :-)
Self-Sustaining Systems: First Workshop, S3 2008 Potsdam, Germany, May 15-16, 2008, Proceedings (Lecture Notes in Computer Science / Programming and Software Engineering) by Robert Hirschfeld and Kim Rose (Paperback - Nov 21, 2008)
Smalltalk Programming Language Family: Smalltalk, Squeak, Seaside, Ibm Visualage, Scratch, Gnu Smalltalk, Visual Smalltalk Enterprise, Aida|web by Books LLC (Paperback - May 6, 2010)
Dialecte Smalltalk: Squeak, Pharo, Gnu Smalltalk, Scratch, Bistro, Visualworks by Livres Groupe (Paperback - Aug 1, 2010) - in French
Class-Based Programming Languages: Java, C++, Python, Eiffel, Smalltalk, Ruby, Simula, Common Lisp, Oberon, Clu, Objective-C, Squeak, Sather by Books LLC (Paperback - May 24, 2010)
Dynamically-Typed Programming Languages: Lisp, Perl, Python, Mumps, Smalltalk, Ruby, Logo, Tcl, Self, Common Lisp, Objective-C, Rebol, Squeak by Books LLC (Paperback - May 26, 2010)
Objektorientierte Programmiersprache: Php, Smalltalk-80, Embarcadero Delphi, Oberon, Eiffel, Cluster, Haxe, Common Lisp, Pow!, Scratch, Lpc by Bücher Gruppe (Paperback - Jul 22, 2010) - in German
Langage Orienté Objet: Java, C++, Ada, Javascript, Ruby, Python, Codegear Delphi, Smalltalk, Kylix, Objective-C, Eiffel, Perl 6, Visual T Sharp by Livres Groupe (Paperback - Jul 29, 2010) - in French
Object-Oriented Programming Languages: Cobol, Java, C++, Perl, Fortran, Python, Php, Eiffel, Smalltalk, Ruby, Blitz Basic, Turbo Pascal by Books LLC (Paperback - May 21, 2010)
Ruby (Programming Language): Reflection (computer science), Dynamic programming language, Object-oriented programming language, Perl, Smalltalk, Yukihiro ... language), Ada (programming language) by Frederic P. Miller, Agnes F. Vandome, and John McBrewster (Paperback - Oct 12, 2009)
I would say that the list is very reasonable without any of the above books. Since I haven't read any of these nor the ones in the survey, I won't be able to participate. But I find it great that people are still taking the time to write new books.
-- Jecel
Yes. Only english is accessible to the whole community. Note however that our more productive authors aren't native english speakers ;-) Noury On 8 sept. 2010, at 16:52, stephane ducasse wrote:
Since we do not add french books we do not add spanish nor japanese ones.
On Sep 8, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Ricardo Moran wrote:
You should add Diego Gomez Deck book "Programando con Smalltalk". It's in spanish so it may not be the most popular but I believe it's a very nice book (although somewhat old now).
It was the first smalltalk book I read and I learned the basics with it, so I'm very fond of this book :)
Regarding the book translations discussion I think translating books is very important. Even though you still need to understand english to code smalltalk I still like to read books in my language. If you get the infrastructure right I'm willing to help translating stuff to spanish in my free time.
Cheers Richo
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. <jecel@merlintec.com> wrote: Bert Freudenberg wrote on Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:50:22 +0200
I for one am happy that there were enough books written about Smalltalk that we can have a competition.
Thank you for organizing the contest, ESUG.
I would also like to thank both ESUG for holding the contest and the authors for their very valuable contribution to the community. While Andreas does have a point about conflict of interest, it is unavoidable due to the small size of our community (we had quite a bit of conflict over this on squeak-dev last year, for example). It is like the small town where the same guy is the sheriff, the auto repairman, the judge, the fireman and so on.
About the list itself, I did a quick search on Amazon for "smalltalk" and found these others:
Discovering Smalltalk (The Benjamin/Cummings Series in Object-Oriented Software Engineering) by Wilf Lalonde (Paperback - Jan 17, 2008) - it seems to use Digitalk Smalltalk V, so this is probably a new edition of an old book
Advances in Smalltalk: 14th International Smaltalk Conference, ISC 2006, Prague, Czech Republic, September 4-8, 2006, Revised Selected Papers (Lecture ... / Programming and Software Engineering) by Wolfgang De Meuter (Paperback - May 18, 2007)
Grundkurs Smalltalk - Objektorientierung von Anfang an by Johannes Brauer (Perfect Paperback - 2008) - in German
Einsamkeit überwinden mit der TALISUND Strategie. Neue Menschen kennen lernen - ohne Smalltalk. by einsamkeit-ueberwinden.org (Paperback - Mar 30, 2010) - in German
The SICS Java Port Project: Automatic Translation of a Large Object Oriented System from Smalltalk to Java by Skarsaune Martin (Paperback - Sep 15, 2008) - I would expect zero votes for this one :-)
Self-Sustaining Systems: First Workshop, S3 2008 Potsdam, Germany, May 15-16, 2008, Proceedings (Lecture Notes in Computer Science / Programming and Software Engineering) by Robert Hirschfeld and Kim Rose (Paperback - Nov 21, 2008)
Smalltalk Programming Language Family: Smalltalk, Squeak, Seaside, Ibm Visualage, Scratch, Gnu Smalltalk, Visual Smalltalk Enterprise, Aida|web by Books LLC (Paperback - May 6, 2010)
Dialecte Smalltalk: Squeak, Pharo, Gnu Smalltalk, Scratch, Bistro, Visualworks by Livres Groupe (Paperback - Aug 1, 2010) - in French
Class-Based Programming Languages: Java, C++, Python, Eiffel, Smalltalk, Ruby, Simula, Common Lisp, Oberon, Clu, Objective-C, Squeak, Sather by Books LLC (Paperback - May 24, 2010)
Dynamically-Typed Programming Languages: Lisp, Perl, Python, Mumps, Smalltalk, Ruby, Logo, Tcl, Self, Common Lisp, Objective-C, Rebol, Squeak by Books LLC (Paperback - May 26, 2010)
Objektorientierte Programmiersprache: Php, Smalltalk-80, Embarcadero Delphi, Oberon, Eiffel, Cluster, Haxe, Common Lisp, Pow!, Scratch, Lpc by Bücher Gruppe (Paperback - Jul 22, 2010) - in German
Langage Orienté Objet: Java, C++, Ada, Javascript, Ruby, Python, Codegear Delphi, Smalltalk, Kylix, Objective-C, Eiffel, Perl 6, Visual T Sharp by Livres Groupe (Paperback - Jul 29, 2010) - in French
Object-Oriented Programming Languages: Cobol, Java, C++, Perl, Fortran, Python, Php, Eiffel, Smalltalk, Ruby, Blitz Basic, Turbo Pascal by Books LLC (Paperback - May 21, 2010)
Ruby (Programming Language): Reflection (computer science), Dynamic programming language, Object-oriented programming language, Perl, Smalltalk, Yukihiro ... language), Ada (programming language) by Frederic P. Miller, Agnes F. Vandome, and John McBrewster (Paperback - Oct 12, 2009)
I would say that the list is very reasonable without any of the above books. Since I haven't read any of these nor the ones in the survey, I won't be able to participate. But I find it great that people are still taking the time to write new books.
-- Jecel
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On 08.09.2010 16:52, stephane ducasse wrote:
Since we do not add french books we do not add spanish nor japanese ones.
The SICS Java Port Project: Automatic Translation of a Large Object Oriented System from Smalltalk to Java by Skarsaune Martin (Paperback - Sep 15, 2008) - I would expect zero votes for this one :-) While not a book on Smalltalk as such and thus not fitting for this contest, I actually found it an entertaining read! Mostly in a "So glad it wasn't me"-fashion, but still... :)
Cheers, Henry
Sounds more about how to do silly things such as switching to Java. We want books that promotes Smalltalk ;-) Noury On 9 sept. 2010, at 00:18, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote:
On 08.09.2010 16:52, stephane ducasse wrote:
Since we do not add french books we do not add spanish nor japanese ones.
The SICS Java Port Project: Automatic Translation of a Large Object Oriented System from Smalltalk to Java by Skarsaune Martin (Paperback - Sep 15, 2008) - I would expect zero votes for this one :-) While not a book on Smalltalk as such and thus not fitting for this contest, I actually found it an entertaining read! Mostly in a "So glad it wasn't me"-fashion, but still... :)
Cheers, Henry
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