Github / Pharo / VisualWorks porting tools
Hi, there is a lot of Smalltalk code in Github for Pharo and VisualWorks. The main repository for Seaside seems to be Github also. Which VisualWorks tools are available to support code exchange with Github and Pharo? How does the Cincom developer team do the porting of new versions, e.g. for Seaside? I found a Cypress interchange format implementation for VisualWorks from Travis Griggs: https://github.com/CampSmalltalk/STIG However the code 7 years old and does not work in current VisualWorks versions and has several bugs. I started fixing it, but before I invest to much effort, I would like to ask how other people do the porting from and to Github / Pharo or other dialects. Regards Carsten -- Carsten Härle, straightec GmbH, Frankfurter Straße 48, 63150 Heusenstamm, Germany +49 6104 6008-0 https://www.straightec.de
We have developed an automatic migrator from Pharo 2 VW. You can find it here: https://github.com/ObjectProfile/Pharo2VW Alexandre
On Sep 17, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Carsten Härle <Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de> wrote:
Hi,
there is a lot of Smalltalk code in Github for Pharo and VisualWorks. The main repository for Seaside seems to be Github also.
Which VisualWorks tools are available to support code exchange with Github and Pharo? How does the Cincom developer team do the porting of new versions, e.g. for Seaside?
I found a Cypress interchange format implementation for VisualWorks from Travis Griggs: https://github.com/CampSmalltalk/STIG
However the code 7 years old and does not work in current VisualWorks versions and has several bugs. I started fixing it, but before I invest to much effort, I would like to ask how other people do the porting from and to Github / Pharo or other dialects.
Regards Carsten -- Carsten Härle, straightec GmbH, Frankfurter Straße 48, 63150 Heusenstamm, Germany +49 6104 6008-0 https://www.straightec.de
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Hi Alexandre, is there also a migrator for other way around? Sasha Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue., 17 Sep. 2019 at 9:00 a.m., Alexandre Bergel<abergel@dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: We have developed an automatic migrator from Pharo 2 VW. You can find it here: https://github.com/ObjectProfile/Pharo2VW Alexandre
On Sep 17, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Carsten Härle <Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de> wrote:
Hi, there is a lot of Smalltalk code in Github for Pharo and VisualWorks. The main repository for Seaside seems to be Github also. Which VisualWorks tools are available to support code exchange with Github and Pharo? How does the Cincom developer team do the porting of new versions, e.g. for Seaside? I found a Cypress interchange format implementation for VisualWorks from Travis Griggs: https://github.com/CampSmalltalk/STIG However the code 7 years old and does not work in current VisualWorks versions and has several bugs. I started fixing it, but before I invest to much effort, I would like to ask how other people do the porting from and to Github / Pharo or other dialects. Regards Carsten -- Carsten Härle, straightec GmbH, Frankfurter Straße 48, 63150 Heusenstamm, Germany +49 6104 6008-0 https://www.straightec.de _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list Esug-list@lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org
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You should contact Pavel Krivanek because he did an excellent work to port VW code to Pharo for Schmidt pro (without the need of VW). Also Christian haider presented at ESUG last year a migration from VW to Pharo. Stef
On 17 Sep 2019, at 16:16, Sasa Prokic via Esug-list <esug-list@lists.esug.org> wrote:
Hi Alexandre,
is there also a migrator for other way around?
Sasha
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_Andr...> On Tue., 17 Sep. 2019 at 9:00 a.m., Alexandre Bergel <abergel@dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: We have developed an automatic migrator from Pharo 2 VW. You can find it here: https://github.com/ObjectProfile/Pharo2VW <https://github.com/ObjectProfile/Pharo2VW>
Alexandre
On Sep 17, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Carsten Härle <Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de <mailto:Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de>> wrote:
Hi,
there is a lot of Smalltalk code in Github for Pharo and VisualWorks. The main repository for Seaside seems to be Github also.
Which VisualWorks tools are available to support code exchange with Github and Pharo? How does the Cincom developer team do the porting of new versions, e.g. for Seaside?
I found a Cypress interchange format implementation for VisualWorks from Travis Griggs: https://github.com/CampSmalltalk/STIG <https://github.com/CampSmalltalk/STIG>
However the code 7 years old and does not work in current VisualWorks versions and has several bugs. I started fixing it, but before I invest to much effort, I would like to ask how other people do the porting from and to Github / Pharo or other dialects.
Regards Carsten -- Carsten Härle, straightec GmbH, Frankfurter Straße 48, 63150 Heusenstamm, Germany +49 6104 6008-0 https://www.straightec.de <https://www.straightec.de/>
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If you need to extract code from a VW Store repository and get the result in Tonel format, there's SETT (Store Export to Tonel Tools). https://github.com/GemTalk/SETT Regards, -Martin On 9/17/19 7:48 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
You should contact Pavel Krivanek because he did an excellent work to port VW code to Pharo for Schmidt pro (without the need of VW). Also Christian haider presented at ESUG last year a migration from VW to Pharo.
Stef
On 17 Sep 2019, at 16:16, Sasa Prokic via Esug-list <esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:esug-list@lists.esug.org>> wrote:
Hi Alexandre,
is there also a migrator for other way around?
Sasha
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On Tue., 17 Sep. 2019 at 9:00 a.m., Alexandre Bergel <abergel@dcc.uchile.cl <mailto:abergel@dcc.uchile.cl>> wrote: We have developed an automatic migrator from Pharo 2 VW. You can find it here: https://github.com/ObjectProfile/Pharo2VW
Alexandre
> On Sep 17, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Carsten Härle <Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de <mailto:Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de>> wrote: > > Hi, > > there is a lot of Smalltalk code in Github for Pharo and VisualWorks. > The main repository for Seaside seems to be Github also. > > Which VisualWorks tools are available to support code exchange with Github and Pharo? > How does the Cincom developer team do the porting of new versions, e.g. for Seaside? > > I found a Cypress interchange format implementation for VisualWorks from Travis Griggs: > https://github.com/CampSmalltalk/STIG > > However the code 7 years old and does not work in current VisualWorks versions and has several bugs. > I started fixing it, but before I invest to much effort, I would like to ask how other people do the porting from and to Github / Pharo or other dialects. > > Regards > Carsten > -- > Carsten Härle, > straightec GmbH, Frankfurter Straße 48, 63150 Heusenstamm, Germany > +49 6104 6008-0 > https://www.straightec.de <https://www.straightec.de/> > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org
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Hi Martin, thank you for the info. Can one extract just selected package/boundle portion from store repository? Regards,Sasha Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue., 17 Sep. 2019 at 11:07 a.m., Martin McClure<martin.mcclure@gemtalksystems.com> wrote: If you need to extract code from a VW Store repository and get the result in Tonel format, there's SETT (Store Export to Tonel Tools). https://github.com/GemTalk/SETT Regards, -Martin On 9/17/19 7:48 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
You should contact Pavel Krivanek because he did an excellent work to port VW code to Pharo for Schmidt pro (without the need of VW). Also Christian haider presented at ESUG last year a migration from VW to Pharo.
Stef
On 17 Sep 2019, at 16:16, Sasa Prokic via Esug-list <esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:esug-list@lists.esug.org>> wrote:
Hi Alexandre,
is there also a migrator for other way around?
Sasha
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On Tue., 17 Sep. 2019 at 9:00 a.m., Alexandre Bergel <abergel@dcc.uchile.cl <mailto:abergel@dcc.uchile.cl>> wrote: We have developed an automatic migrator from Pharo 2 VW. You can find it here: https://github.com/ObjectProfile/Pharo2VW
Alexandre
> On Sep 17, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Carsten Härle <Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de <mailto:Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de>> wrote: > > Hi, > > there is a lot of Smalltalk code in Github for Pharo and VisualWorks. > The main repository for Seaside seems to be Github also. > > Which VisualWorks tools are available to support code exchange with Github and Pharo? > How does the Cincom developer team do the porting of new versions, e.g. for Seaside? > > I found a Cypress interchange format implementation for VisualWorks from Travis Griggs: > https://github.com/CampSmalltalk/STIG > > However the code 7 years old and does not work in current VisualWorks versions and has several bugs. > I started fixing it, but before I invest to much effort, I would like to ask how other people do the porting from and to Github / Pharo or other dialects. > > Regards > Carsten > -- > Carsten Härle, > straightec GmbH, Frankfurter Straße 48, 63150 Heusenstamm, Germany > +49 6104 6008-0 > https://www.straightec.de <https://www.straightec.de/> > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org
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Hi Sasha, I don't think you can specify one package or bundle to extract. SETT will extract all publishes after a given date/time. If you want to just get a particular bundle, you could either 1) Publish just that bundle to Store, then use SETT to extract just that bundle, or 2) Extract one or more existing Store publishes that contain more than the one bundle you want, then delete the directories of Tonel files that are the code for unwanted packages. SETT is not currently under active development (it is working well enough for our current needs) but enhancements to it are welcome. Regards, -Martin On 9/17/19 8:37 PM, Sasa Prokic wrote:
Hi Martin,
thank you for the info. Can one extract just selected package/boundle portion from store repository?
Regards, Sasha
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On Tue., 17 Sep. 2019 at 11:07 a.m., Martin McClure <martin.mcclure@gemtalksystems.com> wrote: If you need to extract code from a VW Store repository and get the result in Tonel format, there's SETT (Store Export to Tonel Tools).
https://github.com/GemTalk/SETT
Regards, -Martin
On 9/17/19 7:48 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > You should contact Pavel Krivanek because he did an excellent work to > port VW code to Pharo for Schmidt pro (without the need of VW). > Also Christian haider presented at ESUG last year a migration from VW to > Pharo. > > Stef > >> On 17 Sep 2019, at 16:16, Sasa Prokic via Esug-list >> <esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:esug-list@lists.esug.org> <mailto:esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:esug-list@lists.esug.org>>> wrote: >> >> Hi Alexandre, >> >> is there also a migrator for other way around? >> >> Sasha >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers_wl=ym_sub1=Internal_sub2=Global_YGrowth_sub3=EmailSignature <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>> >> >> On Tue., 17 Sep. 2019 at 9:00 a.m., Alexandre Bergel >> <abergel@dcc.uchile.cl <mailto:abergel@dcc.uchile.cl> <mailto:abergel@dcc.uchile.cl <mailto:abergel@dcc.uchile.cl>>> wrote: >> We have developed an automatic migrator from Pharo 2 VW. You can >> find it here: >> https://github.com/ObjectProfile/Pharo2VW >> >> Alexandre >> >> > On Sep 17, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Carsten Härle >> <Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de <mailto:Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de> >> <mailto:Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de <mailto:Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de>>> wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > there is a lot of Smalltalk code in Github for Pharo and >> VisualWorks. >> > The main repository for Seaside seems to be Github also. >> > >> > Which VisualWorks tools are available to support code exchange >> with Github and Pharo? >> > How does the Cincom developer team do the porting of new >> versions, e.g. for Seaside? >> > >> > I found a Cypress interchange format implementation for >> VisualWorks from Travis Griggs: >> > https://github.com/CampSmalltalk/STIG >> > >> > However the code 7 years old and does not work in current >> VisualWorks versions and has several bugs. >> > I started fixing it, but before I invest to much effort, I >> would like to ask how other people do the porting from and to >> Github / Pharo or other dialects. >> > >> > Regards >> > Carsten >> > -- >> > Carsten Härle, >> > straightec GmbH, Frankfurter Straße 48, 63150 Heusenstamm, Germany >> > +49 6104 6008-0 >> > https://www.straightec.de <https://www.straightec.de/> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Esug-list mailing list >> > Esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org>> >> > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org>> >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org>> >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > -------------------------------------------- > Stéphane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr > http://www.synectique.eu <http://www.synectique.eu >/ http://www.pharo.org > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Julie Jonas > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France
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Hi Martin, I thought of that path, its just small effort comoaring to benefits of extract automation. Will play with SETT and see how it goes. Thank you,Sasha Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri., 20 Sep. 2019 at 7:37 p.m., Martin McClure<martin.mcclure@gemtalksystems.com> wrote: Hi Sasha, I don't think you can specify one package or bundle to extract. SETT will extract all publishes after a given date/time. If you want to just get a particular bundle, you could either 1) Publish just that bundle to Store, then use SETT to extract just that bundle, or 2) Extract one or more existing Store publishes that contain more than the one bundle you want, then delete the directories of Tonel files that are the code for unwanted packages. SETT is not currently under active development (it is working well enough for our current needs) but enhancements to it are welcome. Regards, -Martin On 9/17/19 8:37 PM, Sasa Prokic wrote: Hi Martin, thank you for the info. Can one extract just selected package/boundle portion from store repository? Regards, Sasha Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue., 17 Sep. 2019 at 11:07 a.m., Martin McClure <martin.mcclure@gemtalksystems.com> wrote: If you need to extract code from a VW Store repository and get the result in Tonel format, there's SETT (Store Export to Tonel Tools). https://github.com/GemTalk/SETT Regards, -Martin On 9/17/19 7:48 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
You should contact Pavel Krivanek because he did an excellent work to port VW code to Pharo for Schmidt pro (without the need of VW). Also Christian haider presented at ESUG last year a migration from VW to Pharo.
Stef
On 17 Sep 2019, at 16:16, Sasa Prokic via Esug-list <esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:esug-list@lists.esug.org>> wrote:
Hi Alexandre,
is there also a migrator for other way around?
Sasha
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On Tue., 17 Sep. 2019 at 9:00 a.m., Alexandre Bergel <abergel@dcc.uchile.cl <mailto:abergel@dcc.uchile.cl>> wrote: We have developed an automatic migrator from Pharo 2 VW. You can find it here: https://github.com/ObjectProfile/Pharo2VW
Alexandre
> On Sep 17, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Carsten Härle <Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de <mailto:Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de>> wrote: > > Hi, > > there is a lot of Smalltalk code in Github for Pharo and VisualWorks. > The main repository for Seaside seems to be Github also. > > Which VisualWorks tools are available to support code exchange with Github and Pharo? > How does the Cincom developer team do the porting of new versions, e.g. for Seaside? > > I found a Cypress interchange format implementation for VisualWorks from Travis Griggs: > https://github.com/CampSmalltalk/STIG > > However the code 7 years old and does not work in current VisualWorks versions and has several bugs. > I started fixing it, but before I invest to much effort, I would like to ask how other people do the porting from and to Github / Pharo or other dialects. > > Regards > Carsten > -- > Carsten Härle, > straightec GmbH, Frankfurter Straße 48, 63150 Heusenstamm, Germany > +49 6104 6008-0 > https://www.straightec.de <https://www.straightec.de/> > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org
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Martin, Does SETT deal with shared variables? Shared variables directly in namespaces? Or are these still something that needs doing? Regards, Tom On 9/17/2019 9:07 AM, Martin McClure wrote:
If you need to extract code from a VW Store repository and get the result in Tonel format, there's SETT (Store Export to Tonel Tools).
https://github.com/GemTalk/SETT
Regards, -Martin
On 9/17/19 7:48 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
You should contact Pavel Krivanek because he did an excellent work to port VW code to Pharo for Schmidt pro (without the need of VW). Also Christian haider presented at ESUG last year a migration from VW to Pharo.
Stef
On 17 Sep 2019, at 16:16, Sasa Prokic via Esug-list <esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:esug-list@lists.esug.org>> wrote:
Hi Alexandre,
is there also a migrator for other way around?
Sasha
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_Andr...>
On Tue., 17 Sep. 2019 at 9:00 a.m., Alexandre Bergel <abergel@dcc.uchile.cl <mailto:abergel@dcc.uchile.cl>> wrote: We have developed an automatic migrator from Pharo 2 VW. You can find it here: https://github.com/ObjectProfile/Pharo2VW
Alexandre
> On Sep 17, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Carsten Härle <Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de <mailto:Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de>> wrote: > > Hi, > > there is a lot of Smalltalk code in Github for Pharo and VisualWorks. > The main repository for Seaside seems to be Github also. > > Which VisualWorks tools are available to support code exchange with Github and Pharo? > How does the Cincom developer team do the porting of new versions, e.g. for Seaside? > > I found a Cypress interchange format implementation for VisualWorks from Travis Griggs: > https://github.com/CampSmalltalk/STIG > > However the code 7 years old and does not work in current VisualWorks versions and has several bugs. > I started fixing it, but before I invest to much effort, I would like to ask how other people do the porting from and to Github / Pharo or other dialects. > > Regards > Carsten > -- > Carsten Härle, > straightec GmbH, Frankfurter Straße 48, 63150 Heusenstamm, Germany > +49 6104 6008-0 > https://www.straightec.de <https://www.straightec.de/> > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org
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Hi Tom, After a brief look at the code, I *think* that shared variables that are defined in a class will become class variables. It looks like shared variables defined directly in a namespace will log a warning and be otherwise ignored. This could obviously be improved; submissions are welcome. Regards, -Martin On 9/19/19 2:07 PM, Tom Robinson wrote:
Martin,
Does SETT deal with shared variables? Shared variables directly in namespaces? Or are these still something that needs doing?
Regards,
Tom
On 9/17/2019 9:07 AM, Martin McClure wrote:
If you need to extract code from a VW Store repository and get the result in Tonel format, there's SETT (Store Export to Tonel Tools).
https://github.com/GemTalk/SETT
Regards, -Martin
On 9/17/19 7:48 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
You should contact Pavel Krivanek because he did an excellent work to port VW code to Pharo for Schmidt pro (without the need of VW). Also Christian haider presented at ESUG last year a migration from VW to Pharo.
Stef
On 17 Sep 2019, at 16:16, Sasa Prokic via Esug-list <esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:esug-list@lists.esug.org>> wrote:
Hi Alexandre,
is there also a migrator for other way around?
Sasha
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On Tue., 17 Sep. 2019 at 9:00 a.m., Alexandre Bergel <abergel@dcc.uchile.cl <mailto:abergel@dcc.uchile.cl>> wrote: We have developed an automatic migrator from Pharo 2 VW. You can find it here: https://github.com/ObjectProfile/Pharo2VW
Alexandre
> On Sep 17, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Carsten Härle <Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de <mailto:Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de>> wrote: > > Hi, > > there is a lot of Smalltalk code in Github for Pharo and VisualWorks. > The main repository for Seaside seems to be Github also. > > Which VisualWorks tools are available to support code exchange with Github and Pharo? > How does the Cincom developer team do the porting of new versions, e.g. for Seaside? > > I found a Cypress interchange format implementation for VisualWorks from Travis Griggs: > https://github.com/CampSmalltalk/STIG > > However the code 7 years old and does not work in current VisualWorks versions and has several bugs. > I started fixing it, but before I invest to much effort, I would like to ask how other people do the porting from and to Github / Pharo or other dialects. > > Regards > Carsten > -- > Carsten Härle, > straightec GmbH, Frankfurter Straße 48, 63150 Heusenstamm, Germany > +49 6104 6008-0 > https://www.straightec.de <https://www.straightec.de/> > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:Esug-list@lists.esug.org> > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org
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Hi Stef, Great references.Thank you,Sasha Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue., 17 Sep. 2019 at 10:49 a.m., Stéphane Ducasse<stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: You should contact Pavel Krivanek because he did an excellent work to port VW code to Pharo for Schmidt pro (without the need of VW). Also Christian haider presented at ESUG last year a migration from VW to Pharo. Stef On 17 Sep 2019, at 16:16, Sasa Prokic via Esug-list <esug-list@lists.esug.org> wrote: Hi Alexandre, is there also a migrator for other way around? Sasha Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue., 17 Sep. 2019 at 9:00 a.m., Alexandre Bergel<abergel@dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: We have developed an automatic migrator from Pharo 2 VW. You can find it here: https://github.com/ObjectProfile/Pharo2VW Alexandre
On Sep 17, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Carsten Härle <Carsten.Haerle@straightec.de> wrote:
Hi, there is a lot of Smalltalk code in Github for Pharo and VisualWorks. The main repository for Seaside seems to be Github also. Which VisualWorks tools are available to support code exchange with Github and Pharo? How does the Cincom developer team do the porting of new versions, e.g. for Seaside? I found a Cypress interchange format implementation for VisualWorks from Travis Griggs: https://github.com/CampSmalltalk/STIG However the code 7 years old and does not work in current VisualWorks versions and has several bugs. I started fixing it, but before I invest to much effort, I would like to ask how other people do the porting from and to Github / Pharo or other dialects. Regards Carsten -- Carsten Härle, straightec GmbH, Frankfurter Straße 48, 63150 Heusenstamm, Germany +49 6104 6008-0 https://www.straightec.de _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list Esug-list@lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org
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Hi Carsten, there is the bundle {Smalltalk Transform Project} which includes the machinery for porting VisualWorks to Gemstone. I started to add Pharo, but have not finished yet. In Gemstone I could use namespaces which is not possible in Pharo. For translating VW to Squeak/Phara/Cuis/VA/etc. the namespaced class (and shared) names need to be renamed to global names. This is not trivial and I was working on that, but it is not finished (and don’t know if I even will finish it – jump in if you need it 😊). My take on porting is a bit different from the typical one-shot approaches I have seen so far. Instead of freezing a piece of code and then more or less manually translating the code, I describe the code transformation from the source to the target dialect in a declarative way. (see slides 11 to 20 in https://www.slideshare.net/esug/pdftalk-for-gemstone from ESUG 2017). This allows for leaving the source code unchanged and is fully repeatable. This is important when your source code base is changing and you need to port the code on a regular basis. In practice, instead of changing the code in the target dialect, you change the transformation which produces the target code. With this, you can use all Smalltalk tools in the source dialect in the live environment in which the code is working, especially #references and the RB rewrite engine. The transformations can be: * Ignore a source class or method * Add a new class or method to the target which does not exist in the source * Replace the source of a method by some other source * Rewrite a method with a rewrite rule Here is an example of such a transformation (for the basic fonts package of PDFtalk): PackageChange localChanges: (Array with: (ClassChange classReference: #{PDFtalk.Fonts.Font} instanceChanges: (Array with: (Rewrite method: #fontbody rule: #replaceGemstoneErrorClasses) with: (Ignore method: #screenFont) with: (Ignore method: #screenFontDescription) with: (Ignore method: #screenFamilyName)) classChanges: (Array with: (Replace method: #loadedFonts code: #_gs_loadedFonts) with: (Replace method: #fontClasses code: #_gs_fontClasses))) with: (ClassChange classReference: #{PDFtalk.Fonts.FontBody} instanceChanges: (Array with: (Rewrite method: #encoder rule: #replaceDottedName)) classChanges: (Array with: (Rewrite method: #tokenLinesFrom: rule: #replaceGemstoneBaseMethods)))) If you are interested, you can ask me for further explanations. (All code is in the public store under MIT licence) Happy hacking, Christian Von: Esug-list <esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org> Im Auftrag von Carsten Härle Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. September 2019 14:36 An: esug-list@lists.esug.org Betreff: [Esug-list] Github / Pharo / VisualWorks porting tools Hi, there is a lot of Smalltalk code in Github for Pharo and VisualWorks. The main repository for Seaside seems to be Github also. Which VisualWorks tools are available to support code exchange with Github and Pharo? How does the Cincom developer team do the porting of new versions, e.g. for Seaside? I found a Cypress interchange format implementation for VisualWorks from Travis Griggs: https://github.com/CampSmalltalk/STIG However the code 7 years old and does not work in current VisualWorks versions and has several bugs. I started fixing it, but before I invest to much effort, I would like to ask how other people do the porting from and to Github / Pharo or other dialects. Regards Carsten -- Carsten Härle, straightec GmbH, Frankfurter Straße 48, 63150 Heusenstamm, Germany +49 6104 6008-0 https://www.straightec.de
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