Damien, thanks - well noted. Let me reinforce that I do not question the intentions of anybody in particular. The personal overlaps between the two entities involved might be considered problematic, and I want to make up my mind. On 4 July 2012 23:32, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou@gmail.com> wrote:
Even though I'm unsure about your definition of "representatives of communities", I don't see myself as being one, whatever the community you pick.
Say, if someone predominantly uses one particular flavour in their daily Smalltalking life, they'd be part of that flavour's community; and being on the board, representing it.
Now, if a representative of a community wants to work with us, we would love to receive his application.
In contrast to my earlier e-mail on process transparency, I have noticed that while the election itself is transparent, the path to being eligible in the first place is not. Is there actually such a thing as a call for applications when board members' terms end? Is there a nomination phase? A Q&A period to help people make up their minds? In short, how does this work?
Now, let's face it: 2 of the most active participants of the ESUG board (Marcus and Stéphane) are leaders on the Pharo project. But we, as a community, must not forget that both where among the most active participants of Squeak before (I'm talking about code, organization, presentations, books, ...). These two are very active for the Smalltalk community and have been for quite some time now. If they decide to quit the ESUG board (and we already talked about that among members of the board), who will step up and do their job?
Good question; see above.
My even more personal opinion: would it be fair not to help Pharo create a consortium simply because some members are so prolific that they can be very useful for two organizations at the same time? I don't believe so and I vote for becoming a member of the Pharo consortium just as much as I would vote for becoming a member of any other Smalltalk consortium/association/organization/group/whatever.
What amount is being considered? What percentage of the ESUG budget is that? Regards, Michael