I left Squeak because I was "pissed away". I have no problem to leave ESUG, too. herewith I unsubscribe from the ESUG list. Have Fun Marcus On Jul 4, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Andreas Raab wrote:
-------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 17:33:12 +0200 Von: Alexandre Bergel <abergel@dcc.uchile.cl> An: Michael Haupt <mhaupt@gmail.com> CC: ESUG Mailing list <esug-list@lists.esug.org> Betreff: Re: [Esug-list] ESUG considers sponsoring the Pharo Consortium
Hi Michael!
Good to see you back!
how many people on the ESUG board can be considered representatives of communities of Smalltalk dialects other than Pharo?
In an ideal World, this would be indeed important. However the amount of people willing to actively participate in the ESUG board is really small. Really? I don't recall anyone ever asking. In fact, the whole election process of the ESUG board is a complete mystery to me personally. Googling "ESUG board election" nets me a message from 2002(!) about an upcoming election, that's it. Compare this say, with googling "Squeak board election" and you will find election results each year, plus each candidates announcement, discussions, vote counts etc. A bit more transparency would certainly help here...
Regarding the original question, I think such a membership is unfair to the other open source communities. Sponsoring of specific projects with the goal of fostering the overall Smalltalk community is one thing, paying a perpetual "Pharo tax" quite another. I do not see a compelling reason why Pharo should be supported in such a way by ESUG and not GST, Squeak, Cuis, or any other open source Smalltalk implementation. The money could certainly be used by the other projects for activities like going to and presenting at the ESUG conferences which is often not done for lack of funding. If ESUG wants to sponsor open source Smalltalk dialects by handing out money directly, it should do so fairly and transparently and not favor a single fork of a single dialect.
Cheers, - Andreas
And being a small community should not prevent us from moving ahead.
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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