I should know better than to get involved in this sad affair. I will note that when the Smalltalk GSoc effort started, I was *explicitly asked to participate*. I myself noted that Newspeak is sufficiently different from Smalltalk that it should be regarded as a different language, but was assured that this effort was designed to be inclusive of anything in the Smalltalk family. So I proposed a few projects none of which were accepted. I think that's fine - no one has to agree with me on what is important or interesting. I also think that saying that Newspeak is outside the Smalltalk "tent" is a legitimate position, even if I may disagree. I know may others in the Smalltalk community have felt that Newspeak, while different, is part of the family. After all, I and I my colleagues have been invited to speak about Newspeak at Smalltalk conferences several times. I have no interest in starting a flame war here - I have watched the recent goings on on this list with a feeling of great sadness. I have done what I can to help Smalltalk, and individuals in that community (you know who you are) and will continue to do so. However, after 2010 I did not participate in GSoc, since it was clear that my ideas did not coincide with those of the wider Smalltalk community. I won't say any more on the topic. I wish you all the best, and I'm glad the GSoc effort continues. On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10 February 2014 17:38, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si> wrote:
Time therefore to expose that sad story from GSoC 2010. So that the community can judge by themselves if my claims are insults or real.
For the start, this was not a money matter but meddling into project selection process.
Here is the story:
On GSoC 2010 Gilad Bracha proposed a Newspeak/Smalltalk Import/Export Tool project idea [1]. After the idea was put on ideas list [2], Stéphane Ducasse ordered my co-admin to remove Gilad's idea from the list. Co-admin told that to me. I was shocked that someone can come to such an idea to remove something even in the idea phase from the GSoC. Of course I rejected such an order immediately.
Even more, co-admin was at that time just starting the postgraduade study under the Mr.Ducasse mentorship. You can imagine how he felt, like between two fires. It is reasonable therefore to suspect that Mr.Duccase uses his power as a mentor over postgraduate student to try to achieve his goal.
What was the motivation of Mr.Ducasse to made such a blatant act was not quite clear to me. And is also not important. Important is that such removal attempts are totally unacceptable. Only GSoC mentors have that right by reviewing and voting on the projects to be finally selected for stipendiums.
In any case, this incident was a start of my thinking and working on GSoC to be as transparent, neutral and independent as possible.
Best regards Janko
[1] http://gsoc2010.esug.org/projects/newspeak-tool [2] http://gsoc2010.esug.org/ideas
Lol. Now please think how much curses will be there if this would be allowed.
Else why just Newspeak? Why not Ruby, Self, C, C#, Lisp etc.. (i bet there are many mentors/students who would want to paid for doing project in the language of their choice). Except that it is not smalltalk.. and has nothing to do with ESUG mission. And therefore Stef was absolutely correct. Case closed.
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