Hi guys, To attract more business oriented people back to Smalltalk, let we organize one day of ESUG conference for business oriented content. For start let we name it simply as an ESUG Experience day. So that its intention is clear and attractive for those people. And let we do some marketing in this direction too. And all in one day, those people cannot afford a whole week for a mostly technical conference. I know from my experience that presentations of real Smalltalk systems convinced me to Smalltalk back in 1995, when I visited my first ESUG in Utrecht/NL. It was at the IBM building and much more business people around. This gave me an impression of seriousness of Smalltalk. Also content was half technical half experiences/business oriented. Also from talks with those people you actually get a feeling what tool is considered professional and accepted for more business oriented development, which is a stated goal of Pharo, for instance. Getting those people together with Pharo development team can really help. For presenters is also a plus because they come in contact with potential customers, even some long standing business partnership can start at such an opportunity. What do you think? Best regards Janko -- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si