Dear Goran et al., I agree with Julian's points and yours. Göran Krampe wrote:
IMHO a more exciting discussion can start if someone says "I want to do X" and then see what people think of it and if they want to join in and so on.
So let's return the thread to the three proposals actually made so far IIRC. The first two are complementary - we could do both: 1) GSoC Smalltalk project in the area of CMS: needs Pier-capable mentor(s). 2) ESUG workshop/tutorial in Edinburgh in August: - start from Pier, plus GSoC output and/or other add-ons as appropriate: this thread has mentioned Nick's Amazon get-started videos and Reza's add-ons - hopefully we will have rubyists, newbies, etc. there, also CMS researchers from the host - find out what blocks them - also find out what questions an experienced Smalltalker meets getting started in Pier whose answers are not easily found in the existing explanations I think this could make an OK tutorial for newbies / non-Smalltalkers that was also useful to Smalltalkers who had never used Pier. It could be a tutorial during Camp Smalltalk or an event in the conference (or both). I will be (one of the) recorder(s) for (2) if asked. Someone needs to say, "I'll teach it". If (1) is designed to prepare the way for (2), great. Ideally, a mentor for (1) would run the tutorial/workshop (2). The third idea reasied in the thread was an alternative 3) Make it easier to write Smalltalk plugins for some popular CMS. If someone _has_ written a Smalltalk plugins to existing CMS, or has knowledge of what that would require, they should write it up (or talk about it at ESUG, of course :-) ). Yours faithfully Niall Ross ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________