Hey guys - let���s not shoot the messenger on this.

All feedback gratefully received, we know there���s still lots of work to do even after the excellent progress that has been made.

I know at times I get frustrated too , but am inspired by some of the great things going on. Equally it hurts to get negative feedback too.

We need to rally together to get some of this stuff finished, and keep chipping away at things.

I���d like to better understand the original problem - do we still have this encoding/decoding problem in Pharo 7? And can we ensure common things are documented in a clear place for others to follow.

I think we have a bit of a documentation versioning issue - as lots of old things seem to come up in search results (our SEO is not brilliant on this - although a move to github might help a lot if we can create good pointers in readme.md files).

This doesn���t seem like an unsolvable problem, and I���d like to see us learn from someone who has experienced something concrete.

Tim

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On 12 Jul 2018, at 17:23, Igor Stasenko <siguctua@gmail.com> wrote:



On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 at 16:37, jtuchel@objektfabrik.de <jtuchel@objektfabrik.de> wrote:
I am not actually a Smalltalk newbie, but still find it sometomes hard to get into areas I've never touched before. For some stuff that was related mostly to problems with encoding and decoding between utf-8 and utf-85 on both Windows and Linux and strange differences between these platforms, I thought I'd use something that peopl "out there" use daily.

I chose python. I had never written anything in Python before, but it was easy to stipple together a few working programs. It took me just a few hours to find out about Skyper and some important language constructs and stuff. It was a pleasant journey for two reasons:

  • No need to learn any tools. Just an editor and a command line and you're on yur journey
Ever tried to write C bindings for Python? Try. I wanna see how you would do that without proper tools (C IDE, CMake, Makefiles etc yadda yadda)
  • You find lots of documentation and examples on the web. It feels like VB in the days: type  a few keywords into your web browser and copy the sources for a 70% solution of your problem

Back when I was young and cared for whether my preferred language was popular or not, I would be depressed by the experience. Remember, I tried Python because things were hard in Smalltalk.

You can find even more if you use HTML/CSS/Javascript. So why bothering with python? :)

P.S. my stone hammer way better than your steel hydraulic press. And besides it is easy to use, and there's a lot of documentation and how-to's for it.

So spot the message here... ;-)


Joachim


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