Marcus, yes, exactly this point: the public (we) pays for research and review (and the ESUG participants financed the presentation - this is good, don’t get me wrong) and then it is sealed by a private company which does WHAT? I know that we agree that public funded research must be open to the public. (period!) This is why I like the pirates - that is one of their core issues. Great to here that there is progress - Inria is cool! And I hope and expect that ESUG will stay open with the publications. Best, Christian
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Marcus Denker [mailto:marcus.denker@gmail.com] Im Auftrag von Marcus Denker Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. November 2015 13:46 An: Alexandre Bergel Cc: Christian Haider; ESUG Mailing list Betreff: Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL
On 26 Nov 2015, at 09:14, Alexandre Bergel <abergel@dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
Hi Christian,
I understand your frustration. However this is how it work as soon as one wish to publish to a wide audience. Unfortunately, there is not much we can do in that respect.
This is the current “System” of research… of course the Authors nor the universities that payed a salary for doing the research will get any money… just the leeches that did *nothing*. It is a truly shitty system and worthy to be fought against, but this is hard if you ever want to get a job or graduate. But there are activities against it… progress is slow… but e.g. ECOOP left all this and the publications are now online for free.
So what people do to make it less of a problem is that they publish a “preprint” that is free to download. Preprints are on the websites of the authors (of they care) or in the central archive of the institution (if it cares).
Inria (where I work) got so far that as of 2 years ago, publication that are not available for free on https://hal.inria.fr do not counted for any Inria internal metric. As far as Inria is concerned, they do not exist. E.g we are not allowed to put it in official reports or claim them when applying for internal promotion.
As for IWST: there is a link here: http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2015/International-Workshop- IWST_15 (I will upload them to http://www.esug.org/data/ESUG2015/ later today)
Marcus
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