Such matters need to be clarified and some conclusions to be made for a
community to preserve health and go on. Otherwise you are drowning into
murky waters more and more.
Best regards
Janko
Dne 10. 02. 2014 09:12, pi�e
phil@highoctane.be:
Guys,
From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling in
the kindergarten.
All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward.
Backwards, there is a fair chance.
Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk.
Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to
fight over for an European org... (rolleyes).
Phil
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse@gmail.com
<mailto:luc.fabresse@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Janko,
I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4
extra-GSOC but we paid only 3 because one student gave
up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin).
So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate
last year BUT we were willing to spend it.
Luc
2014-02-09 Janko Miv�ek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si
<mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>>:
Dear all,
First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be
blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and
misguided.
Facts namely are:
1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while
ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any
report
back to GSoC mentors,
2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for
paying extra projects [2][3].
Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is:
Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD
GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD
------------------------------
13.000 USD
Expenses:
Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD
Difference: + 4.000 USD
If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't
loose any
money but gain 4.000 USD.
Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to
apologize to
you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin!
Janko
[1]
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg
[2]
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8
[3]
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw
Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, pi�e Luc Fabresse:
Hi all,
------------
FACTS
As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer.
So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC
projects in 2013.
ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted
by Google.
In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and
Benjamin Arezki.
All in all we paid:
- 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular
GSOC) each
projects
- Serge trip to Mentor summit
And we received 5552EUR from Google
so yes we lost ~6582EUR
That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we
sponsorized 3.
I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc
mentor
summit because it participates to the fact that Google
recognizes ESUG
ang gives slots the next year.
It is alos important to note dates.
ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google.
It would not be possible to do it without ESUG.
------------
FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY:
As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my
*own* time
and it takes a lot!
I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all
falvors!)
is a really great language that should be more widespread.
I also completely open to discussions.
The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status.
I can do errors too.
So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK!
I cannot admit that:
- Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly
directed
against the treasurer so me.
And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I
hide or
steal money make me think that I should better quit.
- Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would
have done a
mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK
ME for
DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any
- People wants an answer fast, this conversation started
yesterday and I
am spending my week-end with my kids
I am really fed up with this kind of attitude.
Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the
problems together
if any.
But I think it will never happen...
#Luc
The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end
in bad mood
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Janko Miv�ek
Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team
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Janko Miv�ek
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