Il 05/07/2012 08:59, Stéphane Ducasse ha scritto:
On Jul 5, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
Il 05/07/2012 08:47, Stéphane Ducasse ha scritto:
Reading this thread after all we did for Smalltalk is quite taught. The wolfs are back apparently. Sad period. I think the esug board will have to really decide if ESUG is worth after all. Now may be ESUG popularity is a problem for certain people or this is the pharo popularity. May be this is good to not give a chance to a promising open source project (especially when we see that such question never arose when it was about other Smalltalks). Life is so funny sometimes.
No Stephane, it's not that. Part of it is just misinformation and I think that was clarified; the other part is just basic handling of conflict of interest, and I think it's in ESUG's interest to keep its usual level of transparency.
Why did we send the mail if this is not about that?
Sending email about this is great, because it makes the community part of the decisions. But it doesn't eliminate the conflict of interest inside the board. Note that CoI is not a problem, it is a fact of life, but it must be handled properly. When you are a member of an academic program committee, you are asked to leave when your paper is being discussed. We are asking for something similar in the context of the ESUG board; again, it is standard practice and I don't see why there should be any opposition to this. If I were a member of the ESUG board, I certainly would do the same on any decision that mentioned GNU Smalltalk.
Now I see so much frustration in some mails that I laugh a lot. Personally when I wake up the morning I feel good and I know that I'm doing a good job for my community. Now may be I should do something else.
I believe that you are; for both Pharo and ESUG. And I believe everybody knows the effort that you put into promotion of Smalltalk. But you shouldn't take things too personally: your effort requires you to be _more_ careful about not pissing people off, not less. :) Paolo