On 2012-07-05, at 16:13, Andreas Raab wrote:

In the past, ESUG supported Squeak e.V. and the Squeak VM. What is the
difference?

Squeak e.V. is not about developing Squeak as such you can't compare it membership in the Pharo consortium (it would be more like sponsoring a book or so which ESUG certainly does). As for the Squeak VM, first of all I have no clue who got sponsored by ESUG. Probably John Macintosh because I know neither me, nor Ian, nor Eliot, nor David, nor Dan, nor John ever got any support from ESUG. Secondly, (and I'm guessing here since I really don't know who got sponsored for what) I would think that the scope was probably rather specific, i.e., support for this or that Mac feature or somesuch, rather than "oh, just do some Squeak VM development we don't care what it is" which is the style of support for the Pharo consortium. I think sponsoring specific projects is good, it's handing out money without specific goals and targets that I don't like.

Cheers,
  - Andreas


ESUG has given quite a bit of money directly to Squeak a couple of years ago (about 2000 Euros, IIRC). We used that mainly to pay for the squeak.org server hosting.

And part of John Macintosh's work on the iPhone / iPad VM was sponsored by ESUG, too (but I don't know the details).

- Bert -