Talking to me but also to us: we are lacking broader professionalism from time to time and our websites (mines included) mirror that lack. This part is also hard to understand for us developers, we can be professional in our field, but harder in fields like "public relations" (good meaning of that term). If we accept at least critics from others, this would be a good first step ... Best regards Janko On 25. 03. 2011 10:27, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Steven
this is fun that you shoot on us while you were never able to come and present your products at ESUG while I'm sure that it would have helped the community. Now I like all the talking here, but how many are we to do something for others (I mean others than our little business).
Stef
On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Steven Kelly wrote:
It's great that people are willing to talk about this, and some are doing things too. Admit it though: most of this discussion is programmers talking about marketing, which is as useful as marketers talking about programming. I'm in my 20th year of Smalltalk, so I've seen this a fair few times. My 2c: I'm fairly certain that the only way Smalltalk could achieve major success is by dying and being reborn with a new name.
If anyone has a minute (and access rights!), the ESUG pages could do with some love: 1) they crashed yesterday, and have often slowed to a crawl 2) there's a top-level menu "Robotics" that leads to a page saying "A place for Jordi to write, ok!" 3) The search box does nothing 4) On IE8, there are Javascript errors. All pages have "Ajax is not defined", and many have some "idX is not defined" errors (for various X)
Believe it or not, those are the kinds of things that register with outsiders when they check out Smalltalk, in particular if they're considering using it to build things on the web. Of course I understand this is all done as volunteer work, and I appreciate the effort people have put into it. I'm just pointing out the facts and providing a bug report.
All the best, Steve -- Steven Kelly, Ph.D.
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