OK, So I'm probably coming into the discussion at about the point when everyone has lost interest and gone back to work on super-cool VM extensions or hardcore simulations in Croquet or whatever. First let me do a negative introduction by telling you what I'm not. I'm not a SmallTalk programmer (I'm working on that) I'm hardly a programmer at all(been doing product managery type of stuff for far too long.) When I first saw DabbleDB (+- 3 yrs ago) I thought, "Wow!!! That is brilliant! I want some of that." So I started reading on SmallTalk and reading and reading........ I've read up on Squeak, Pharo, VW, VA. Dolphin, Gnu, you name it I read papers by Kay, Goldberg, Ingalls. I've read on Traits, AOP, Collections (I even listened to Alice's Restaurant). It's kind of sad that I've not actually done much programming. I attended ESUG 2010 (as I live in Barcelona.) The frustrations I've found have been discussed at great length in this thread so I'm not repeating them. Despite all of this there is something that I find attractive about the concept of Smalltalk, that keeps drawing me back to it. Maybe it's the liveness. the concept of the sea of objects, the combination of data and logic cohabiting that seems to have some "rightness" about it. Anyway when I read that VMWare had purchased GemStone via SpringSource last year, I thought, "Brilliant move.". I thought they were capitalizing on the GemStone product to build a force.com ObjectStore. I was partly right. It turns out they planned to use GemFire which is Java. Bummer. The force.com idea is pretty good. It's a cloud based execution platform for user contributed programs, starting with salesforce.com. The environment, language and applications are Ugggghly! Wouldn't it be great to have a force.com like concept with a Smalltalk backend on Seaside (or Aida or Iliad) with a cloud based objectstore using GemStone (or Magma, or Amazon S3). Oh and please one frigging Smalltalk dialect so I don't have the really useful library that I'd love to use only available in the flavour of Smalltalk that I'm not currently using. Anyway I've had way too much caffeine this morning and that's probably why I'm babbling. I'll go back to my quite little corner of the world and you'll never have to hear from me again as I go back to my product managery stuff :-( Cheers, Miguel On 17 March 2011 10:59, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes@gmail.com> wrote:
Smalltalk does have open source blog and content management systems; e.g. http://www.piercms.com Pier CMS and http://www.aidaweb.si/scribo.html AIDAscribo ... but a lot can be improved to make them attractive alternatives to the big http://www.drupal.org Drupal (PHP) and http://www.joomla.org Joomla (PHP) or even smaller ones like http://radiantcms.org Radiant CMS (Ruby) , http://www.refinerycms.com Refinery CMS (Ruby) , http://www.django-cms.org Django CMS (Python) , etc
Smalltalk will get more exposure if it were easier (and cheaper) for people to host their own blog or website using a Smalltalk based Blog/CMS.
Question is; what can be done to have more Smalltalkers use a Smalltalk based blog system and attract non-Smalltalkers to try a Smalltalk CMS?
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-hosting-tp3384077p3384077.html Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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