On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
wrote:
Yes There is no problem. I'm just tired about the crying tone of the community. Let us stand up and build the next generation.
yep :) "The best way to complain is to make things." -- James Murphy Laurent.
Stef
Dear Stephane, one of the ways Steve often contributes significantly to Smalltalk is by swiftly finding the bugs that others only spot - or fail to spot till later. And where it is code, he often fixes bugs, not just finds them.
It was good that Steve a couple of days ago pointed out that the pages were down. It would likely have been noticed soon anyway but faster is better than fast, right.
So I value his input on the pages I write, or on anything else. I may or may not agree, and may or may not have effort to fix, any particular thing, but his taking the time to notice, describe and email is valued.
Yours faithfully Niall Ross
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Steven
this is fun that you shoot on us while you were never able to come and present your products at ESUG while I'm sure that it would have helped the community. Now I like all the talking here, but how many are we to do something for others (I mean others than our little business).
Stef
On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Steven Kelly wrote:
It's great that people are willing to talk about this, and some are doing things too. Admit it though: most of this discussion is programmers talking about marketing, which is as useful as marketers talking about programming. I'm in my 20th year of Smalltalk, so I've seen this a fair few times. My 2c: I'm fairly certain that the only way Smalltalk could achieve major success is by dying and being reborn with a new name. If anyone has a minute (and access rights!), the ESUG pages could do with some love: 1) they crashed yesterday, and have often slowed to a crawl 2) there's a top-level menu "Robotics" that leads to a page saying "A place for Jordi to write, ok!" 3) The search box does nothing 4) On IE8, there are Javascript errors. All pages have "Ajax is not defined", and many have some "idX is not defined" errors (for various X) Believe it or not, those are the kinds of things that register with outsiders when they check out Smalltalk, in particular if they're considering using it to build things on the web. Of course I understand this is all done as volunteer work, and I appreciate the effort people have put into it. I'm just pointing out the facts and providing a bug report. All the best, Steve -- Steven Kelly, Ph.D. Co-President and CTO, MetaCase Tel.: +358 14 641 000 ext. 21 Fax: +358 420 648 606 Cell: +358 40 7331 286 Web: www.metacase.com Blog: www.metacase.com/blogs/stevek/blogView Email: steven.kelly@metacase.com
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