Joachim Tuchel wrote:
... I'm afraid the idea of having to provide a killer app that will show the world how cool Smalltalk is will not work. If the app is great, nobody will ask: What's it made with? My blog is hosted on Wordpress.com, and I must admit I neither have an idea nor care what language it's written in. My time is too limited to care.
I disagree on this one. There are a lot of similarities between Smallthought Systems/DabbleDB/Seaside/Squeak and 37Signals/Rails/Ruby where both have somehow kick-started a wider community who did care. Joachim Tuchel wrote:
But if we manage to make our Smalltalk environments a nice place to stay at for programmers, we can probably attract more Smalltalkers.
Agree Joachim Tuchel wrote:
It's not enough to have the very best of languages when we use tools that look&feel as if they were frozen for 20 years. ...
Agree that the IDE is dated and un-intuitive. Joachim Tuchel wrote:
We need a better rich client platform than Eclipse, Xcode or VisualStudio and we need full support of modern GUI standards. No matter how much better a Smalltalk debugger is than a Eclipse's or Xcode's debugger, most developers won't give it a chance to prove it, because it's somewhat strange or at least different.
Different is not always bad, but it needs to be intuitive and appealing enough for newcomers to give it a go. Joachim Tuchel wrote:
So my idea would be a platform inspired by Eclipse's rich client platform, which both helps improve the Smalltalk IDE itself, make it extensible and at the same time enables modern looking GUI apps with little effort.
I have a feeling we need to focus on web apps and I am unsure the world needs another Eclipse ( http://news.squeak.org/2008/10/31/smalltalk-on-eclipse/ IBM tried something like this back in 2008 ). Joachim Tuchel wrote:
...if the Smalltalk tool is great, great applications will follow. He's absolutely right.
Probably ps. I have to say that I did not expect all this from posting an idea to create a great Smalltalk blog/cms :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-hosting-tp3384077p3395985.html Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.