sorry andreas but apparently you do not know what is to take the risk to organize a conference and get broken Now it happens with ESUG certain years and
I would agree with you if ESUG was spending 100% of the money it has.
I don't. Because it would kill ESUG.
Sponsoring Pharo won't affect other potential sponsoring (unless we get 5 times more sponsoring requests than last year in which case we might not positively answer to all of them). I invite all representatives of other dialects to send the board sponsoring requests. But we can't wait for all dialects to ask for money before spending part of it.
Which is fine. And perhaps there is a really simple answer then: First, sponsor all the projects that apply to ESUG. If, at the end of year, there is money left, donate it based on the relative distribution of projects over the year.
No we did not work like that and we will not work like that. People send their requests and we evaluate the impact for the community.
So for example:
ESUG budget: 15k Projects: 5 Pharo projects x 1k = 5k 2 Squeak projects x 1k = 2k 1 GST project x 2k = 2k 2 high profile papers x 500 = 1k
Squeak e.V. is not about developing Squeak as such you can't compare it membership in the Pharo consortium (it would be more like sponsoring a book or so which ESUG certainly does). As for the Squeak VM, first of all I have no clue who got sponsored by ESUG. Probably John Macintosh because I know neither me, nor Ian, nor Eliot, nor David, nor Dan, nor John ever got any support from ESUG.
It was officially announced by john
Secondly, (and I'm guessing here since I really don't know who got sponsored for what) I would think that the scope was probably rather specific, i.e., support for this or that Mac feature or somesuch, rather than "oh, just do some Squeak VM development we don't care what it is" which is the style of support for the Pharo consortium. I think sponsoring specific projects is good, it's handing out money without specific goals and targets that I don't like.
I will not continue this nice discussion because you like too much to twist our arms. Bye Stef
Cheers, - Andreas
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